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Re: [Pharo-project] Metacello - the missing information??
by Dale Henrichs Feb. 7, 2010

Feb. 7, 2010

Bill, I think that loader is aimed at the consumer side of things ... it looks to be aimed at being the Gofer of Metacello ... so easy scripting is the target. In my mind there are 3 areas where Metacello has need for immediate support: browsing scripting searching Doru's Metaceller is aimed at browsing and does give one a good picture of what is going on with an existing image. Metaceller is under development but can be taken for a spin (http://groups.google.com/group/metacello/browse_frm/thread/335b8177a7b82b5e…) Esteban Lorenzano is working on Loader which is aimed at scripting Metacello tasks. Esteban is still working on Loader, so it's not quite ready for use. Searching is a subject that has only been talked about (see http://groups.google.com/group/metacello/browse_frm/thread/92c3a31178ae4a12…) With 60 configurations and counting we'll soon need better searching tools. Dale ----- "Wilhelm K Schwab" <bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu> wrote: | Dale, | | That's fair. Is loader aimed at the producers of configurations, or | is it only about scripting the load/cusumer side? Every time I think | I have a generic solution for loading them, I find something else that | does not quite fit. If you can do it all from the existing | configurations, more power to you - I enjoy being wrong about things | like that :) | | Bill | | | | -----Original Message----- | From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr | [mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of Dale | Henrichs | Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 3:58 PM | To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr | Cc: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr | Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Metacello - the missing information?? | | Bill, | | This has been discussed before and there is development underway for | Loader which is aimed at providing a scripting API for Metacello. You | are hitting the nail on the head, but the nail isn't quite ready to be | hit:) | | Dale | | ----- "Wilhelm K Schwab" <bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu> wrote: | | | Doru, | | | | This thread over the past couple of days contains the answers, but | | briefly, IMHO, the current deployment of Metacello is underspecified | | | and overly complicated. It begs for better factoring in the | interest | | of the end user. If nothing else, take an honest look at the | various | | multi-line snippets in the beginner workspace. Each should | | comfortably fit on one line; helper methods could readily get us | there | | for most configurations. The ones that do not fit a simple scheme | | would benefit from some additional behavior. | | | | Bill | | | | | | -----Original Message----- | | From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr | | [mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of | | Tudor Girba | | Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 1:40 PM | | To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr | | Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Metacello - the missing information?? | | | | Hi, | | | | I think I missed a mail because I do not understand what is a moving | | | target and I do not know what you mean by "as I said". | | | | Cheers, | | Doru | | | | | | On 7 Feb 2010, at 19:26, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote: | | | | > As I said, a moving target. I know it is not necessarily easy, | but | | if | | > this is to work we must have either self-describing | configurations | | or | | > a central repository. | | > | | > | | > | | > | | > | | > -----Original Message----- | | > From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr | | [mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr | | > ] On Behalf Of Tudor Girba | | > Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 1:19 PM | | > To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr | | > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Metacello - the missing | information?? | | > | | > Hi, | | > | | > This happens because you do not have the latest ProfStef. to get | it, | | | | > you have to load ProfStef-Core. In the process of checking the | | > latest version I also updated both ProfStef-Core and GTProfStef | to | | | | > cope with the latest developments. | | > | | > Cheers, | | > Doru | | > | | > On 7 Feb 2010, at 14:58, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote: | | > | | >> In an RC2 image, GTProfStef open gives | | >> | | >> DNU #goOn:viewedWith: | | >> | | >> After all of: | | >> | | >> Gofer new | | >> squeaksource: 'MetacelloRepository'; | | >> package: 'ConfigurationOfMetacello'; load. | | >> (Smalltalk at: #ConfigurationOfMetacello) perform: | | >> #loadLatestVersion. | | >> | | >> ConfigurationOfMetacello project latestVersion load: | | #('Tutorial'). | | >> | | >> | | >> Gofer new | | >> squeaksource: 'glamoroust'; | | >> package: 'ConfigurationOfGlamoroust'; | | >> load. | | >> (Smalltalk at: #ConfigurationOfGlamoroust) perform: | #loadDefault. | | >> | | >> ________________________________________ | | >> From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr | | >> [pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr | | >> ] On Behalf Of laurent laffont [laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com] | | >> Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 4:06 AM | | >> To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr | | >> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Metacello - the missing | information?? | | >> | | >> 2010/2/6 Schwab,Wilhelm K | | >> <bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu<mailto:bschwab@anest.ufl.edu | | >>>> | | >> The closest thing I see in the tutorial (assuming it is working | as | | >> intended) is a mention of baseline configurations. If that is | in | | | | >> fact | | >> how things can work, there should be an abstract super class for | | all | | >> configurations (or at least a trait they all use to avoid | | duplicate | | >> code) and a method that loads the baseline. | | >> | | >> ProfStef would be a lot more useful if it made use of Polymorph: | a | | >> table of contents in a left pane, select an item and the righ | pane | | >> shows the content, actions replaced with buttons rather than | | >> forcing a lot of right-clicking. To the extent that those things | | | >> are difficult, we need easy-to-use tree models. From what I have | | | >> been able to figure out of the tutorial, a wiki page would be | more | | >> helpful and more likely to be read. If you "force" loading of | | >> code, then there should be | | | | >> some | | >> benefit in the form of interaction. | | >> | | >> Danny Chan has written ProfStefBrowser (in the same repository | as | | >> ProfStef) which has both browsing and interactive (ProfStef next) | | | >> capabilities. | | >> Tudor Girba has also written a proof-of-concept using Glamour: | | >> Gofer new | | >> squeaksource: 'glamoroust'; | | >> package: 'ConfigurationOfGlamoroust'; | | >> load. | | >> (Smalltalk at: #ConfigurationOfGlamoroust) perform: | #loadDefault. | | >> | | >> And then: | | >> GTProfStef open | | >> | | >> (You spawn the new lesson by command+o) | | >> | | >> Cheers | | >> | | >> Laurent Laffont | | >> | | >> | | >> My question stands. | | >> | | >> Bill | | >> | | >> | | >> ________________________________ | | >> From: | | >> | pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr<mailto:pharo-project- | | >> bounc | | >> es(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr | | >>> | | >>> | [mailto:pharo-project-bounces@lists.gforge.inria.fr<mailto:pharo- | | | | >>> proj | | >>> ect-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr | | >>> ] On Behalf Of Mariano Martinez Peck | | >> Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2010 4:52 PM | | >> To: | | >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr<mailto:Pharo- | | >> project(a)lists.gforge. | | >> inria.fr | | >>> | | >> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Metacello - the missing | information?? | | >> | | >> | | >> | | >> On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 10:22 PM, Schwab,Wilhelm K | | >> <bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu <mailto:bschwab@anest.ufl.edu>> wrote: | | >> For any given cofiguration, how does one know which version to | | load? | | >> There are incantations in the beginner workspace, but what | happens | | | | >> for | | >> things not listed there? | | >> | | >> | | >> You must know about Metacello. As you can noticed, that's why I | | >> added the link to the tutorial. | | >> | | >> Bill | | >> | | >> _______________________________________________ | | >> Pharo-project mailing list | | >> | | | Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr<mailto:Pharo-project@lists.gforge. | | inria.fr | | >>> | | >> | | http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project | | >> | | >> | | >> _______________________________________________ | | >> Pharo-project mailing list | | >> | | | Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr<mailto:Pharo-project@lists.gforge. | | inria.fr | | >>> | | >> | | http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project | | >> | | >> | | >> _______________________________________________ | | >> Pharo-project mailing list | | >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr | | >> | | http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project | | > | | > -- | | > www.tudorgirba.com | | > | | > "When people care, great things can happen." | | > | | > | | > | | > | | > _______________________________________________ | | > Pharo-project mailing list | | > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr | | > | http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project | | > | | > _______________________________________________ | | > Pharo-project mailing list | | > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr | | > | http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project | | | | -- | | www.tudorgirba.com | | | | "There are no old things, there are only old ways of looking at | them." | | | | | | | | | | _______________________________________________ | | Pharo-project mailing list | | Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr | | http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project | | | | _______________________________________________ | | Pharo-project mailing list | | Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr | | http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project | | _______________________________________________ | Pharo-project mailing list | Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr | http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

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[Pharo-project] Latest Polymorph
by Torsten Bergmann Feb. 7, 2010

Feb. 7, 2010

>No. At least on Windoze(tm) this is not possible without substantional >changes in VM. I remember an old Squeak changeset that does exactly that, it was damn slow when I tried it - but nice effect. To have a real usable demo I agree that you wont succeed without VM changes. Bye T. -- Jetzt kostenlos herunterladen: Internet Explorer 8 und Mozilla Firefox 3.5 - sicherer, schneller und einfacher! http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/chbrowser

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[Pharo-project] Latest Polymorph
by GARY CHAMBERS Feb. 7, 2010

Feb. 7, 2010

There is a new version of Polymorph on SqueakSource (Polymorph-Widgets-gvc.103) that supports a background morph for the world that resizes with the main window. I guess the backgroundSketch/Form stuff can be removed (I reused the backgroundMorph inst var - no direct way of setting did remain, accessors now). This can be used for background images (as requested): E.g. World backgroundMorph: ((UITheme builder newAlphaImage: (ImageReadWriter formFromFileNamed: 'Watery 2.jpg') help: nil) autoSize: false; layout: #scaled; lock) (AlphaImageMorph supports a few layout positions/tiling/scaling, more could be added like aspect-maintaining scaling etc.) Or could be helpful for deployed applications... set the background morph to your main UI morph, for instance. Regards, Gary

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[Pharo-project] Where to get SIXX?
by John Thornborrow Feb. 7, 2010

Feb. 7, 2010

Hi, I've looked/Googled for SIXX (and YAXO) packages, but can't find anywhere. I've found XML-Support, but not sure if this is the same as YAXO? The Sixx mcz in Pharo squeaksource is empty (should it be?) as I assume it is only extensions. I am using Pharo 1.0 RC2. Many thanks, John. Consider your responsibility to the environment - think before you print! ****************************************************************************************************************************************** This email is from Pinesoft Limited. Its contents are confidential to the intended recipient(s) at the email address(es) to which it has been addressed. It may not be disclosed to or used by anyone other than the addressee(s), nor may it be copied in anyway. If received in error, please contact the sender, then delete it from your system. Although this email and attachments are believed to be free of virus, or any other defect which might affect any computer or IT system into which they are received and opened, it is the responsibility of the recipient to ensure that they are virus free and no responsibility is accepted by Pinesoft for any loss or damage arising in any way from receipt or use thereof. ******************************************************************************************************************************************* Pinesoft Limited are registered in England, Registered number: 2914825. Registered office: 266-268 High Street, Waltham Cross, Herts, EN8 7EA

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[Pharo-project] ScriptManager bugs
by Torsten Bergmann Feb. 5, 2010

Feb. 5, 2010

Hi Mariano, I've fixed: - #perform:orSendTo: problems - the "cancel" dialog behavior (#isEmpty -> #isEmptyOrNil) - text messages - drag and drop of scripts - the code to use theming now (Polymorph) - to use shout workspace (if available) for "tear off" - a crash when you tried to "import" a non existent file - the export to warn if file exists - ... The metacello configuration is updated, just use ConfigurationOfScriptManager in version 1.0. Bye T. -- GRATIS fÃ¼r alle GMX-Mitglieder: Die maxdome Movie-FLAT! Jetzt freischalten unter http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/maxdome01

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[Pharo-project] VMMaker metacello config for Squeak and Pharo (update 1.1.)
by Torsten Bergmann Feb. 5, 2010

Feb. 5, 2010

Fernando >And of course you Torsten, i think the next time i want to build a plugin and have >VMMaker is going to be sooo much easy now! Thanks! You either owe me a beer or a Win32 version of your 3D work. You could use the saved time for the last one. Bye Torsten -- NEU: Mit GMX DSL Ã¼ber 1000,- Â¿ sparen! http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/dsl02

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Re: [Pharo-project] [squeak-dev] [ANN] VMMaker metacello config for Squeak and Pharo
by Torsten Bergmann Feb. 5, 2010

Feb. 5, 2010

Andreas Raab wrote: >Let's be a bit careful before jumping heads-on into the Metacello >frenzy. Somehow I knew before that you will respond like this ... ;) >I don't mind if people choose to use Metacello to load VMMaker >but it shouldn't be the only option. Hey - Metacello is "just" a package management tool for Monticello using descriptions of the dependencies and the versions that fit together. Anything I did was to create such a configuration. Nobody forces you or other developers to use Metacello - having such an (additional) config does not change the way you are working right now. Use Monticello, SqueakSource, ... as you did before. You can continue to use build scripts, installers, SqueakMap, Universe, whatever ... to load VMMaker. But currently I dont see none of these "loaders" is well maintained (or only with private scripts), anything I've found was a decription from David (see last mail) on the web. And how often does one ask which packages in which version fit together to get VMMaker or other Squeak projects to work. Try to rebuild the SqueakSource server and you know what I'm talking about! Providing and maintaining a metacello spec is simple and works. And the interesting thing is that someone (Dale) is actively maintaining this tool on several Smalltalks - even for Squeak. And as Fernando responded on the pharo list: "And the ConfigurationOfXXX is allowing a new form of communication , unthinkable just a couple of months ago...." Metacello easily allows to have reproducable builds for projects, applications, images ... (see http://astares.blogspot.com/2010/01/pharo-10-release-candidate-2-and-image.…) Someone requires VMMaker in a specific version - just point him to "ConfigurationOfVMMaker" and you are done. >Myself for example, I use customarily a variety of images, none of which >support or are supported by Metacello. Two things - this has nothing to do with Metacello. Your images dont have to have Metacello. So it is just an additional configuration, so why will you bother - it will not affect the way you worked before - it is not the problem of the Squeak community if you use non-Squeak images to build VM's. As community we all have to assure that VMMaker and its loading (with or without Metacello) is well known and works on standard images and the loading and VM building is reproducable by ANYONE! Does the term "Truck Factor" ring a bell? At least your images seem to be able to use Monticello - so why lament. You can continue to work as before and if David could invest a minute to save others from annoying questions about VMMaker loading everything is in good shape and even free's some time in the long term. >It would not be good if we require Metacello to load VMMaker. Is the Linux project in trouble when one create's and publishes a CD with linux packages that fit together? No! Same applies here. You should really have a look first before commenting on Metacello... Bye T. -- NEU: Mit GMX DSL Ã¼ber 1000,- Â¿ sparen! http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/dsl02

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Feb. 5, 2010

11194 ----- - Issue 1936: background morph for the world that resizes with the main window. - Issue 1919: SystemWindow >> activate, to avoid sending #addPaneSplitters if the window isCollapsed - Issue 1932: UTF8TextConverter ?? Latin1TextConverter initializeLatin1Encodings. MacRomanTextConverter initializeLatin1Encodings. thanks nicolas/henrik Stef

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[Pharo-project] Diff morphs
by GARY CHAMBERS Feb. 5, 2010

Feb. 5, 2010

Hi, having though about "labelling" this is likely the best that can be managed for the Diff tools UI without refactoring some large chunks of Monticello. Comments/ideas welcome... See attached:

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[Pharo-project] Morphic cleaning
by Laval Jannik Feb. 5, 2010

Feb. 5, 2010

Hi all, I have used SystemNavigation>>unsentMessagesInPackageNamed: on the package Morphic. The result is in the attached file. I begin to remove some methods (in the SLICE-MorphicCleaning): - MouseButtonEvent >> #redButtonChanged - WindowColorSpec >> #pastelColor - Morph >> #adjustedCenter: - NewParagraph >> #asParagraphForPostscript - PaintBoxMorph >> #init3 - Morph >> #removeAllButFirstSubmorph - NewParagraph >> #testNewComposeAll3 - AlignmentMorph >> #convertOldAlignmentsNov2000:using: - NewParagraph >> #testNewComposeAll2 - Morph >> #altSpecialCursor3: - Canvas >> #drawString:from:to:at:font:color:underline:underlineColor:strikethrough:strikethroughColor: - MorphicEvent >> #convertOctober2000:using: - PaintBoxMorph >> #init4 - WindowColorSpec >> #brightColor - Morph >> #firstClickTimedOut: And I think we need to remove a lot of things before improve Morphic algorithms. But some methods could be useful. If anyone want to clean Morphic the file is attached. Cheers --- Jannik Laval ---

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