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Jenkins build is back to stable : Pharo-2.0-Tests Â» run 1,vm,linux #282
by no-reply＠ci.inria.fr Feb. 11, 2014

Feb. 11, 2014

See <https://ci.inria.fr/pharo/job/Pharo-2.0-Tests/Run=run%201,VM=vm,label=linux…>

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Re: [Pharo-dev] [gsoc-mentors] GSoC: call for ideas
by Dennis Schetinin Feb. 11, 2014

Feb. 11, 2014

- (*Intermediate*) *Amber* - *Pharo* interaction via WebSocket. Specifically, Pharo as IDE for Amber -- as continuation of http://gsoc2013.esug.org/projects/amber-tools and http://gsoc2012.esug.org/projects/mmi-amber. Use new tools (Glamorous Toolkit, for example). - (*Advanced*) Boundless and zoomable interfaces with *Pharo*. Continuation of http://gsoc2012.esug.org/projects/esse using Athens [ https://code.google.com/p/pharo/wiki/Athens] This can be further development of the Esse presentation framework, or creating some development tools for Pharo. - (*Intermediate*) Implementation of "Object Semantic Networks" as a new knowledge-representation engine to be used inside *Pharo* (for various purposes). This task can include development of web interface for the system using *Amber*. Please, contact me directly for details. Dennis Schetinin email: chaetal(a)gmail.com skype: dennis.schetinin -- Best regards, Dennis Schetinin 2014-02-11 13:42 GMT+04:00 Damien Cassou <damien.cassou(a)gmail.com>: > Hi fellow Pharo hackers, > > ESUG, the European Smalltalk User Group, is applying for this > year's Google Summer of Code. As you probably know, the Summer > of Code provides the opportunity to fund students to work during > the summer on Pharo. Please reply to this > email (be sure to use "Reply to all") if you have ideas you > would like to propose. > > Please include a summary of the project and links to web pages > that can help prospective students to write their application. > Please also include the following information: > > - if applicable, other dialects that you would be willing to > mentor this project for > > - the skill level > > - name of the mentor(s), email addresses, and possibly any IRC > network/channel/nickname where they can be found. > > Thanks for contributing to ESUG's Summer of Code application! > > -- > Damien Cassou > http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st > > "Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without > losing enthusiasm." > Winston Churchill > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Smalltalk GSoC mentors" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to smalltalk-gsoc-mentors+unsubscribe(a)googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >

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[GSoC ideas] Pharo
by Guillermo Polito Feb. 11, 2014

Feb. 11, 2014

Ok, let's do this :) Hola Pharoers, ESUG, the European Smalltalk User Group, is applying for this year's Google Summer of Code. As you probably know, the Summer of Code provides the opportunity to fund students to work during the summer on Smalltalk, and Pharo. Please reply to this email (be sure to use "Reply to all") if you have ideas you would like to propose. Please include a summary of the project and links to web pages that can help prospective students to write their application. Please also include the following information: - if applicable, other dialects that you would be willing to mentor this project for - the skill level - name of the mentor(s), email addresses, and possibly any IRC network/channel/nickname where they can be found. Thanks for contributing to ESUG's Summer of Code application! Guille

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Pharo3 Status Video from Fosdem on Youtube
by Marcus Denker Feb. 11, 2014

Feb. 11, 2014

Hi, The Pharo3 Status presentation is online: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=son_bhZ93ec Marcus

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Trying to change the color of the window
by kilon alios Feb. 11, 2014

Feb. 11, 2014

I am trying to make a dark theme for pharo. So I was studying the subclasses of UITheme class. As a first step I want to darken the color of the windows , so I used newDefaultSettings class method to change the color, and I saw no effect. I also even tried to use the right arrow drop down menu that has an entry with window color and still I see no effect. Is this a bug ? I think I remember this used to work in Pharo 3. I am on Pharo 3 and using image 30753 which I fetched today with PharoLauncher. I would like to also ask if there is any documentation of themes and morphic around to help me customize the look its something really crucial for my project Ephestos and I would hate having to recreate Morphic from scratch to do this. Because as it is I find it very hard to understand the methods of UITheme.

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Re: [Pharo-dev] [gsoc-mentors] Re: [Esug-list] The truth on GSOC, ESUG and bad attitude
by Igor Stasenko Feb. 11, 2014

Feb. 11, 2014

On 11 February 2014 01:30, Alexander LazareviÄ <alexander(a)lazarevic.de>wrote: > Wait wait wait wait! Now I get it! This is a drama queen contest, isn't > it?! Where can I vote? > > People please relax, try to get laid over the weekend and let's talk on > monday again ... > > Phew .... Shhheeeezus > > you are blah-blahtly unethical! shame on you! :) > âCheers, > Alexâ > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Smalltalk GSoC mentors" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to smalltalk-gsoc-mentors+unsubscribe(a)googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko.

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Re: [Pharo-dev] Unethical behaviour on GSoC 2010 (was The truth on GSOC, ESUG and bad attitude)
by jdelgado＠lsi.upc.edu Feb. 10, 2014

Feb. 10, 2014

After all what I have been reading,Â I assumed you Janko had a good case against Stef (I could not imagine what, but, you know, I am biased). But you came up with this. I am with Camille. My first reaction is "really?!?!" (well, it was not that, it was much more... let's say, graphic). So, 2010?!? Now you resurrect something almost four years old?!? What is the problem with you? (BTW I also agree with Igor). I sincerely think your mail closes the issue. No more explanations needed. You could change the subject of the thread and call it "My Name is Janko Mivsek... and this is... Jackass!!!". Sad. Bests Jordi > Time therefore to expose that sad story from GSoC 2010. So that the > community can judge by themselves if my claims are insults or real. > > For the start, this was not a money matter but meddling into project > selection process. > > Here is the story: > > On GSoC 2010 Gilad Bracha proposed a Newspeak/Smalltalk Import/Export > Tool project idea [1]. After the idea was put on ideas list [2], > StÃÂ©phane Ducasse ordered my co-admin to remove Gilad's idea from the > list. Co-admin told that to me. I was shocked that someone can come to > such an idea to remove something even in the idea phase from the GSoC. > Of course I rejected such an order immediately. > > Even more, co-admin was at that time just starting the postgraduade > study under the Mr.Ducasse mentorship. You can imagine how he felt, like > between two fires. It is reasonable therefore to suspect that Mr.Duccase > uses his power as a mentor over postgraduate student to try to achieve > his goal. > > What was the motivation of Mr.Ducasse to made such a blatant act was not > quite clear to me. And is also not important. Important is that such > removal attempts are totally unacceptable. Only GSoC mentors have that > right by reviewing and voting on the projects to be finally selected for > stipendiums. > > In any case, this incident was a start of my thinking and working on > GSoC to be as transparent, neutral and independent as possible. > > Best regards > Janko > > [1] http://gsoc2010.esug.org/projects/newspeak-tool > [2] http://gsoc2010.esug.org/ideas > > > > > Dne 10. 02. 2014 15:30, piÃÂ¡e StÃÂ©phane Ducasse: >> I can tell you that until now I took that as a little crisis of Janko >> but now this makes me sick. >> I do not think that I will stand in the same room than him in the >> future. >> >> Sorry Janko you are insulting people publicly but you mention that you >> don't. >> I will check if I have a lawyer to handle this situation because you >> cannot have just words against me. >> I will check with the inria lawyer first. >> >> Stef >> >> >> >>> I do not understand the motivation of Janko, especially since he is >>> apparently alone to think that way. >>> It is impressive to see how fragile the community is. >>> Thanks Paolo and thanks the ESUG board for handling this difficult >>> situation! >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Alexandre >>> >>> >>> On Feb 10, 2014, at 7:14 AM, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: >>> >>>> I support it, too. >>>> >>>> The only path to action I see is to act. And in this situation, Paolo >>>> was the only one that offered a pragmatic way out. Thank you, Paolo! >>>> :) >>>> >>>> So, I suggest this: >>>> - we take Marcus' suggestion and have the present issue be handled at >>>> the next ESUG general assembly. Like this we ensure that the problem >>>> is going to be addressed in a more effective environment (namely, more >>>> structured, and not via mail). >>>> - we go forward with Paolo as an admin. Like this we ensure that >>>> action happens now. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Doru >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 1:05 PM, Esteban Lorenzano >>>> <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> I support this, along with a general require that you keep this >>>> discussion in private. >>>> >>>> Esteban >>>> >>>> On 10 Feb 2014, at 12:10, Stephan Eggermont <stephan(a)stack.nl> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I no longer have confidence in Janko running as GSoC admin >>>>> and want Paolo to take over as admin for Esug as mentoring >>>>> organisation. >>>>> >>>>> Stephan Eggermont >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Esug-list mailing list >>>>> Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org >>>>> http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Esug-list mailing list >>>> Esug-list(a)lists.esug.org >>>> http://lists.esug.org/mailman/listinfo/esug-list_lists.esug.org >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> www.tudorgirba.com >>>> >>>> "Every thing has its own flow" >>> >>> -- >>> _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: >>> Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu >>> ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Smalltalk GSoC mentors" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to smalltalk-gsoc-mentors+unsubscribe(a)googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> > > -- > Janko MivÃÂ¡ek > Smalltalk GSoC Admin Team >

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Re: [Pharo-dev] [gsoc-mentors] Re: [Esug-list] The truth on GSOC, ESUG and bad attitude
by Igor Stasenko Feb. 10, 2014

Feb. 10, 2014

So, if i understood correctly, ESUG spent more money last year running GSoC than it received from Google. Which literally means ESUG budget lost some money. Shall any students/mentors/ESUG affiliates be enraged about that fact? Or did smalltalk community in general lost because of that? I may be wrong (because sure thing i am biased asshole), but as to me both answers will be 'no'. -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko.

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Problem adding "animation" protocol
by J.F. Rick Feb. 10, 2014

Feb. 10, 2014

I was trying to add an "animation" method protocol for a class. When I did, the browser ceased to function. It seems like it broke the viewer. I had to quite without saving and recover my changes. I have no problems adding other protocols. Is "animation" reserved for something? Cheers, Jeff -- Jochen "Jeff" Rick, Ph.D. http://www.je77.com/ Skype ID: jochenrick

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The truth on GSOC, ESUG and bad attitude
by Janko MivÅ¡ek Feb. 10, 2014

Feb. 10, 2014

Dne 10. 02. 2014 11:08, piÅ¡e StÃ©phane Ducasse: > Janko CAN YOU STOP! > > "blatantly unethical behaviorâ > Really > > Stef Stef, we are waiting to you. Will you tell us your part of the story about your GSoC 2010 act or shall I start by myself? Janko >> Phil, >> This matter is actually very important for Smalltalk community, >> because it exposes nontransparent, meddling behind the scenes, >> and in some cases blatantly unethical behavior of some ESUG board >> members. Which is certainly bad for our community on long term. >> Such matters need to be clarified and some conclusions to be made for a >> community to preserve health and go on. Otherwise you are drowning into >> murky waters more and more. >> >> Best regards >> Janko >> >> Dne 10. 02. 2014 09:12, piÅ¡e phil(a)highoctane.be >> <mailto:phil@highoctane.be>: >>> Guys, >>> >>> From the outside it just looks like a couple of spoiled kids battling in >>> the kindergarten. >>> >>> All of this is not moving Smalltalk and Pharo any single bit forward. >>> Backwards, there is a fair chance. >>> >>> Now, could you take this discussion elsewhere? Pick up a phone and talk. >>> >>> Who cares if anyone is right? Oh yeah, EUR 4K, what a huge amount to >>> fight over for an European org... (rolleyes). >>> >>> Phil >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 8:29 AM, Luc Fabresse <luc.fabresse(a)gmail.com >>> <mailto:luc.fabresse@gmail.com> >>> <mailto:luc.fabresse@gmail.com>> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Janko, >>> >>> I do not have all numbers at hand now but in 2013 there were 4 >>> extra-GSOC but we paid only 3 because one student gave >>> up (Jean-Baptiste Beuzelin). >>> So yes you are probably right that it remains money if we integrate >>> last year BUT we were willing to spend it. >>> >>> Luc >>> >>> >>> 2014-02-09 Janko MivÅ¡ek <janko.mivsek(a)eranova.si >>> <mailto:janko.mivsek@eranova.si> >>> <mailto:janko.mivsek@eranova.si>>: >>> >>> Dear all, >>> >>> First to Luc: from your numbers it is clear that you are not to be >>> blamed on anything, because you were obviously misinformed and >>> misguided. >>> >>> Facts namely are: >>> >>> 1. GSoC mentors decided to pay extra stipendiums 3000 USD [1] >>> while >>> ESUG without approval paid 2000 more, 5000 USD, without any >>> report >>> back to GSoC mentors, >>> >>> 2. GSoC mentors decided to add past GSoC2012 amount to the >>> pool for >>> paying extra projects [2][3]. >>> >>> Calculation (without the Summit expenses) therefore is: >>> >>> Income: GSoC 2012 13x 500 = 6.500 USD >>> GSoC 2013 13x 500 = 6.500 USD >>> ------------------------------ >>> 13.000 USD >>> >>> Expenses: >>> Extra stipendiums: 3x 3.000 = 9.000 USD >>> >>> Difference: + 4.000 USD >>> >>> If ESUG would follow the decisions of GSoC mentors it wouldn't >>> loose any >>> money but gain 4.000 USD. >>> >>> Those that misinformed and misguided you needs therefore to >>> apologize to >>> you Luc, to the GSoC mentors and to me as admin! >>> >>> Janko >>> >>> [1] >>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/smalltalk-gsoc-mentors/Yrlj8dIgGPg >>> [2] >>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/smalltalk-gsoc-mentors/WwnxpkXzAB8 >>> [3] >>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/smalltalk-gsoc-mentors/tR44jdPT5Hw >>> >>> >>> Dne 09. 02. 2014 17:26, piÅ¡e Luc Fabresse: >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> ------------ >>>> FACTS >>>> >>>> As you all know, I am the ESUG treasurer. >>>> So please find the numbers attached for the ESUG support of GSOC >>>> projects in 2013. >>>> >>>> ESUG sponsored 3 "extra-GSOC" meaning extra slots not accepted >>> by Google. >>>> In the file it is: Alejandro Infante, Pablo Estefo and >>> Benjamin Arezki. >>>> >>>> All in all we paid: >>>> - 3695EUR (~5000USD at that time i.e. same cost as a regular >>> GSOC) each >>>> projects >>>> - Serge trip to Mentor summit >>>> >>>> And we received 5552EUR from Google >>>> >>>> so yes we lost ~6582EUR >>>> That is easy 13*500 USD would only cover 1 plain extra-Gsoc and we >>>> sponsorized 3. >>>> >>>> I also think that it is important to send someone to the GSoc >>> mentor >>>> summit because it participates to the fact that Google >>> recognizes ESUG >>>> ang gives slots the next year. >>>> >>>> It is alos important to note dates. >>>> ESUG paid first and then has been refund by Google. >>>> It would not be possible to do it without ESUG. >>>> >>>> ------------ >>>> FROM HERE, MY POINT OF VIEW ON THIS STORY: >>>> >>>> As some of you know, I doing the ESUG treasury stuff on my >>> *own* time >>>> and it takes a lot! >>>> I am doing it because I strongly believe that Smalltalk (all >>> falvors!) >>>> is a really great language that should be more widespread. >>>> >>>> I also completely open to discussions. >>>> The ESUG board can also explain its actions and even money status. >>>> I can do errors too. >>>> So if Janko wants some details on GSOC related money, JUST ASK! >>>> >>>> I cannot admit that: >>>> >>>> - Janko wrote about some money accusation. This is directly >>> directed >>>> against the treasurer so me. >>>> And honestly, just reading again that I am biased and that I >>> hide or >>>> steal money make me think that I should better quit. >>>> >>>> - Janko asked for apologies! what is that? even if I would >>> have done a >>>> mistake (and ESUG did not loose money), YOU STILL MUST THANK >>> ME for >>>> DOING THIS BORING TASK! and then I can correct mistakes if any >>>> >>>> - People wants an answer fast, this conversation started >>> yesterday and I >>>> am spending my week-end with my kids >>>> >>>> >>>> I am really fed up with this kind of attitude. >>>> Stop accuse, better ask, discuss and we will solve the >>> problems together >>>> if any. >>>> But I think it will never happen... >>>> >>>> #Luc >>>> The disgusted Treasurer of ESUG who will finish his week-end >>> in bad mood -- Janko MivÅ¡ek Smalltalk GSoC Admin Team

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