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The truth on GSOC, ESUG and bad attitude
by Luc Fabresse Feb. 10, 2014

Feb. 10, 2014

Hi all, ------------ FACTS As you all know, I am the ESUG treasurer. So please find the numbers attached for the ESUG support of GSOC projects in 2013. ESUG sponsored 3 "extra-GSOC" meaning extra slots not accepted by Google. In the file it is: Alejandro Infante, Pablo Estefo and Benjamin Arezki. All in all we paid: - 3695EUR (~5000USD at that time i.e. same cost as a regular GSOC) each projects - Serge trip to Mentor summit And we received 5552EUR from Google so yes we lost ~6582EUR That is easy 13*500 USD would only cover 1 plain extra-Gsoc and we sponsorized 3. I also think that it is important to send someone to the GSoc mentor summit because it participates to the fact that Google recognizes ESUG ang gives slots the next year. It is alos important to note dates. ESUG paid first and then has been refund by Google. It would not be possible to do it without ESUG. ------------ FROM HERE, MY POINT OF VIEW ON THIS STORY: As some of you know, I doing the ESUG treasury stuff on my *own* time and it takes a lot! I am doing it because I strongly believe that Smalltalk (all falvors!) is a really great language that should be more widespread. I also completely open to discussions. The ESUG board can also explain its actions and even money status. I can do errors too. So if Janko wants some details on GSOC related money, JUST ASK! I cannot admit that: - Janko wrote about some money accusation. This is directly directed against the treasurer so me. And honestly, just reading again that I am biased and that I hide or steal money make me think that I should better quit. - Janko asked for apologies! what is that? even if I would have done a mistake (and ESUG did not loose money), YOU STILL MUST THANK ME for DOING THIS BORING TASK! and then I can correct mistakes if any - People wants an answer fast, this conversation started yesterday and I am spending my week-end with my kids I am really fed up with this kind of attitude. Stop accuse, better ask, discuss and we will solve the problems together if any. But I think it will never happen... #Luc The disgusted Treasurer of ESUG who will finish his week-end in bad mood

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Fwd: working on pharo 3.0?
by Tudor Girba Feb. 10, 2014

Feb. 10, 2014

I am re-sending the message to the pharo mailing list. Could anyone point me to how to approach this problem (it seems to be related to a class loader error - IncompatibleLayoutConflict)? Doru ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> Date: Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 11:27 AM Subject: working on pharo 3.0? To: dbxtalk(a)googlegroups.com Hi, I am trying to load the DBXTalk driver in Pharo 3.0 on Windows, but I get an error related to IncompatibleLayoutConflict. I use this: Gofer new smalltalkhubUser: 'DBXTalk' project: 'DBXTalkDriver'; package: 'ConfigurationOfOpenDBXDriver'; load #ConfigurationOfOpenDBXDriver asClass loadBleedingEdge Does anyone else succeed in getting it to work on Pharo 3.0? Doru -- www.tudorgirba.com "Every thing has its own flow" -- www.tudorgirba.com "Every thing has its own flow"

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Re: [Pharo-dev] [gsoc-mentors] The truth on GSOC, ESUG and bad attitude
by Marcus Denker Feb. 10, 2014

Feb. 10, 2014

On 10 Feb 2014, at 11:08, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > > >> Phil, >> >> This matter is actually very important for Smalltalk community, because >> it exposes nontransparent, meddling behind the scenes, and in some cases >> blatantly unethical behavior of some ESUG board members. Which is >> certainly bad for our community on long term. > > > > Janko CAN YOU STOP! > > "blatantly unethical behaviorâ > Really > I propose we do at the next ESUG the following: - the general assembly sets up and vote for a small group (3-5 people?) - they look into the issues - then report back to the general assembly It will of course been taken care that this gremium is independed. Because via email this is really not going to work. Marcus

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Re: [Pharo-dev] [Pharo-users] [Esug-list] [gsoc-mentors] The truth on GSOC, ESUG and bad attitude
by Andres Valloud Feb. 10, 2014

Feb. 10, 2014

1. Having this discussion *now* is just hugely counterproductive. This conversation should have been had, preferably in person and with abundant social lubricants, last year after the end of the previous GSoC. In that way, we wouldn't have all this drama on top of the stress of doing a GSoC and meeting its deadlines etc. 2. Could you please focus on the problem, and not on people? Nothing good will come out of personal judgments, insults, disrespect, etc. It doesn't even matter if whoever is saying those things is "right". Abusing other people helps promote even more community division by presenting a choice of *who* (instead of *what*) is right. 3. Could the interested parties set up an N-way conference call or some such, and reach a conclusion in a reasonable manner? Email is horrible for these kinds of discussions, it's extremely easy to end up with exaggerated interpretations of what is said and then we all get to see flame wars that end nowhere --- like the flame wars on the same subject ***last year***. Write minutes, report the progress in a neutral manner on the ESUG mailing list, whatever you choose --- just be sensible and professional. If you recall, we have seen an extremely good example of how to deal with uncomfortable situations in the ESUG mailing list not long ago. It can be done. 4. 4000 EUR is not peanuts, I agree. I will also point out that 4000 EUR doesn't pay for a lot of our time when we measure it by the measuring stick of consulting hours. I strongly suspect we are wasting a lot more money than 4000 EUR with this endless controversy. The current process for dealing with this issue will, at best, result in a Pyrrhic victory. Think about it, even on the "cheap side" of 1 EUR / minute, don't you think we have collectively spent far more than 67 hours on this stuff without even getting close to a resolution? Think about it: 67 hours is less than 2 weeks. I don't think we can afford that kind of "success". On 2/10/14 1:19 , Joachim Tuchel wrote: > Phil, > > That's your opinion. I don't think money of sponsors should be spent > with such an attitude. > > Unfortunately, I do not fully unerstand what Janko is saying and the > links he provided don't help me really. Is he saying that the ESUG board > ignored the vote of gsoc mentors on how much to pay to students in the > additional projects? Was that money spent unequally and does Janko say > this was unfair and does he say the projects that got more did so > because they were pharo projects? > > If so, this needs some explanation. If it's not true, we can go on and > say the board did it with the members' placet. Then we can shrug and say > "so what?" Thats what we have a motivated and elected board for. > > I agree with you in so far as this is a really bad moment in time for > this discussion. If all of tgis means gsoc comes to a halt for Smalltalk > because we cannot apply in time, that would be really a pity. > > As a sponsor, I'd like to know what Janko is really up to and if the way > things went is okay, since I want our money to be spent for positive > things, like the yearly conference and many other great things esug is > doing. > > As a sponsor, I wouldn't want to see anybody in the board to think about > our money the way you expresss it here. Even if Esug is a european > organization, it has very limited financial abilities, and 4000 euros > thrown away or used unethically is not peanuts. > > Joachim > > > > phil(a)highoctane.be schrieb: > > Guys, > > From the outside it just looks like a couple of spoiled kids battling > in the kindergarten. > > All of this is not moving Smalltalk and Pharo any single bit forward. > Backwards, there is a fair chance. > > Now, could you take this discussion elsewhere? Pick up a phone and talk. > > Who cares if anyone is right? Oh yeah, EUR 4K, what a huge amount to > fight over for an European org... (rolleyes). > > Phil > > > > > On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 8:29 AM, Luc Fabresse <luc.fabresse(a)gmail.com > <mailto:luc.fabresse@gmail.com>> wrote: > > Hi Janko, > > I do not have all numbers at hand now but in 2013 there were 4 > extra-GSOC but we paid only 3 because one student gave > up (Jean-Baptiste Beuzelin). > So yes you are probably right that it remains money if we integrate > last year BUT we were willing to spend it. > > Luc > > > 2014-02-09 Janko MivÅ¡ek <janko.mivsek(a)eranova.si > <mailto:janko.mivsek@eranova.si>>: > > Dear all, > > First to Luc: from your numbers it is clear that you are not to be > blamed on anything, because you were obviously misinformed and > misguided. > > Facts namely are: > > 1. GSoC mentors decided to pay extra stipendiums 3000 USD [1] while > ESUG without approval paid 2000 more, 5000 USD, without any > report > back to GSoC mentors, > > 2. GSoC mentors decided to add past GSoC2012 amount to the pool for > paying extra projects [2][3]. > > Calculation (without the Summit expenses) therefore is: > > Income: GSoC 2012 13x 500 = 6.500 USD > GSoC 2013 13x 500 = 6.500 USD > ------------------------------ > 13.000 USD > > Expenses: > Extra stipendiums: 3x 3.000 = 9.000 USD > > Difference: + 4.000 USD > > If ESUG would follow the decisions of GSoC mentors it wouldn't > loose any > money but gain 4.000 USD. > > Those that misinformed and misguided you needs therefore to > apologize to > you Luc, to the GSoC mentors and to me as admin! > > Janko > > [1] > https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/smalltalk-gsoc-mentors/Yrlj8dIgGPg > [2] > https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/smalltalk-gsoc-mentors/WwnxpkXzAB8 > [3] > https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/smalltalk-gsoc-mentors/tR44jdPT5Hw > > > Dne 09. 02. 2014 17:26, piÅ¡e Luc Fabresse: > > Hi all, > > > > ------------ > > FACTS > > > > As you all know, I am the ESUG treasurer. > > So please find the numbers attached for the ESUG support of GSOC > > projects in 2013. > > > > ESUG sponsored 3 "extra-GSOC" meaning extra slots not > accepted by Google. > > In the file it is: Alejandro Infante, Pablo Estefo and > Benjamin Arezki. > > > > All in all we paid: > > - 3695EUR (~5000USD at that time i.e. same cost as a regular > GSOC) each > > projects > > - Serge trip to Mentor summit > > > > And we received 5552EUR from Google > > > > so yes we lost ~6582EUR > > That is easy 13*500 USD would only cover 1 plain extra-Gsoc > and we > > sponsorized 3. > > > > I also think that it is important to send someone to the GSoc > mentor > > summit because it participates to the fact that Google > recognizes ESUG > > ang gives slots the next year. > > > > It is alos important to note dates. > > ESUG paid first and then has been refund by Google. > > It would not be possible to do it without ESUG. > > > > ------------ > > FROM HERE, MY POINT OF VIEW ON THIS STORY: > > > > As some of you know, I doing the ESUG treasury stuff on my > *own* time > > and it takes a lot! > > I am doing it because I strongly believe that Smalltalk (all > falvors!) > > is a really great language that should be more widespread. > > > > I also completely open to discussions. > > The ESUG board can also explain its actions and even money > status. > > I can do errors too. > > So if Janko wants some details on GSOC related money, JUST ASK! > > > > I cannot admit that: > > > > - Janko wrote about some money accusation. This is directly > directed > > against the treasurer so me. > > And honestly, just reading again that I am biased and that I > hide or > > steal money make me think that I should better quit. > > > > - Janko asked for apologies! what is that? even if I would > have done a > > mistake (and ESUG did not loose money), YOU STILL MUST THANK > ME for > > DOING THIS BORING TASK! and then I can correct mistakes if any > > > > - People wants an answer fast, this conversation started > yesterday and I > > am spending my week-end with my kids > > > > > > I am really fed up with this kind of attitude. > > Stop accuse, better ask, discuss and we will solve the > problems together > > if any. > > But I think it will never happen... > > > > #Luc > > The disgusted Treasurer of ESUG who will finish his week-end > in bad mood > > > > > -- > Janko MivÅ¡ek > Smalltalk GSoC Admin Team > > >

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[pharo-project/pharo-core]
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Feb. 10, 2014

Branch: refs/tags/30753 Home: https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core

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[pharo-project/pharo-core] c77359: 30753
by GitHub Feb. 10, 2014

Feb. 10, 2014

Branch: refs/heads/3.0 Home: https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core Commit: c77359ae2f47ae21b1ac23155c58af4215877a90 https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core/commit/c77359ae2f47ae21b1ac2315… Author: Jenkins Build Server <board(a)pharo-project.org> Date: 2014-02-10 (Mon, 10 Feb 2014) Changed paths: A Nautilus.package/PackageTreeNautilusUI.class/instance/package/addPackageBasedOn_.st M Nautilus.package/PackageTreeNautilusUI.class/instance/private/addClassCategoryBasedOn_.st M OpalCompiler-Core.package/extension/MethodContext/instance/sourceNode.st A OpalCompiler-Tests.package/MethodMapTests.class/instance/testing - ast mapping/inlinedBlockSourceNode.st A OpalCompiler-Tests.package/MethodMapTests.class/instance/testing - ast mapping/testBlockWithArgAndEnclosedBlockSourceNode.st A OpalCompiler-Tests.package/MethodMapTests.class/instance/testing - ast mapping/testThisContextSourceNodeInInlinedMessage.st M RPackage-Core.package/RPackage.class/instance/class tags/addClassTag_.st R RPackage-Core.package/RPackage.class/instance/private/importCategory.st A RPackage-Core.package/RPackage.class/instance/testing/includesClassTagNamed_.st A RPackage-Core.package/RPackageConflictError.class/README.md A RPackage-Core.package/RPackageConflictError.class/definition.st A RPackage-Core.package/RPackageOrganizer.class/instance/private/validateCanBeAddedPackageName_tagName_.st A RPackage-Core.package/RPackageOrganizer.class/instance/private/validateCanBeAddedPackage_.st A RPackage-Core.package/RPackageOrganizer.class/instance/private/validateCanBeAddedPackage_tagName_.st M RPackage-Core.package/RPackageOrganizer.class/instance/public registration/registerPackage_.st R RPackage-Tests.package/RPackageMCSynchronisationTest.class/instance/tests/testBasicImportSystemClass.st R RPackage-Tests.package/RPackageMCSynchronisationTest.class/instance/we are not sure/testImportSystallManagershSubCategoryAndAnotherCategory.st R RPackage-Tests.package/RPackageMCSynchronisationTest.class/instance/we are not sure/testImportSystemClassWithSubCategory.st R RPackage-Tests.package/RPackageMCSynchronisationTest.class/instance/we are not sure/testImportSystemClassWithSubCategoryAndAnotherCategory.st M RPackage-Tests.package/RPackageOrganizerTest.class/instance/tests extending/testTestingPackageExistence.st M RPackage-Tests.package/RPackageOrganizerTest.class/instance/tests/testFullRegistration.st A RPackage-Tests.package/RPackageOrganizerTest.class/instance/tests/testRegisterPackageConflictWithPackage.st A RPackage-Tests.package/RPackageOrganizerTest.class/instance/tests/testRegisterPackageConflictWithPackageTag.st A RPackage-Tests.package/RPackageOrganizerTest.class/instance/tests/testRegisterPackageTagConflictWithPackage.st A ScriptLoader30.package/ScriptLoader.class/instance/pharo - scripts/script406.st A ScriptLoader30.package/ScriptLoader.class/instance/pharo - updates/update30753.st M ScriptLoader30.package/ScriptLoader.class/instance/public/commentForCurrentUpdate.st Log Message: ----------- 30753 12832 OpalCompiler / Debugger - Unknown variable: please correct, or cancel https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/12832 12831 rpackages should not be registered is name matches packagetag name https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/12831 http://files.pharo.org/image/30/30753.zip

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Google Summer of Code is here, your ideas please!
by Janko MivÅ¡ek Feb. 10, 2014

Feb. 10, 2014

Dear Smalltalkers, Tenth GSoC is here and application deadline is earlier this year, already next Friday! Time therefore for your cool project ideas on this year Smalltalk GSoC Hurry up! For now just express any idea you have here on the mailing list. Later we will together develop it to be in complete format together with two mentors needed. To see how fully developed ideas look like please look at 2012 ones at:http://gsoc2013.esug.org/ideas. Ideally (but not necessary right now) you should prepare an idea following this template: ----------------------------------------------- Title: Level: (beginner, intermediate, advanced) Possible mentor: (can be assigned later) Possible second mentor: (can be assigned later) Description Technical Details Benefits to the Student Benefits to the Community ------------------------------------------------- Note also that students yourselves can propose a GSoC project. So if you like to be a student on this year GSoC and have a nice idea, don't be shy and propose it here! The community will listen you and guide to the really nicely proposed project. For the community, start looking around for students. Think about how to approach the universities near by you, do you know who to contact there, etc. Our special website is in preparation and will be online in few days. Official Google GSoC site is here: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/homepage/google/gsoc2014. Specially read carefully the FAQ: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc20… Mentors of all past GSoCs please rejoin the mentors mailing list where we discuss all details about this year GSoC: http://groups.google.com/group/smalltalk-gsoc-mentors While students interested on GSoC please join a special Smalltalk GSoC mailing list for you: http://groups.google.com/group/smalltalk-gsoc-students Best regards Janko -- Janko MivÅ¡ek Smalltalk GSoC Admin Team

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Difficult to Track Changes
by Sean P. DeNigris Feb. 9, 2014

Feb. 9, 2014

It seems ListComposableModel was replaced by ListModel in Pharo 3.0. This is a significant non-backward-compatible change, yet it was extremely difficult to find out what was going on - no hits searching the mailing lists and the Issue "10462: Add SpecModel for NewList" says nothing about removing ListComposableModel. I think it's important to think "how are users going to figure out wth happened here" when we make changes like this. ----- Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Difficult-to-Track-Changes-tp4742400.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

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Nice chapter on NativeBoost
by Pharo4Stef Feb. 9, 2014

Feb. 9, 2014

Hi guys today igor helped me to understand some hidden part of NativeBoost and we massively revisited and expanded the chapter started by L. Laffont this summer. Now you this is up to you to expand your knowledge :) It was really fun to get the X11 window resize and move :) https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/job/PharoForTheEnterprise/lastSucces… https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/job/PharoForTheEnterprise/lastSucces… Enjoy. Stef and Igor

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[pharo-project/pharo-core]
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Feb. 9, 2014

Branch: refs/tags/30752 Home: https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core

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