The truth on GSOC, ESUG and bad attitude
Dne 10. 02. 2014 11:08, piše Stéphane Ducasse:
Janko CAN YOU STOP!
"blatantly unethical behaviorâ Really
Stef
Stef, we are waiting to you. Will you tell us your part of the story about your GSoC 2010 act or shall I start by myself? Janko
Phil,
This matter is actually very important for Smalltalk community, because it exposes nontransparent, meddling behind the scenes, and in some cases blatantly unethical behavior of some ESUG board members. Which is certainly bad for our community on long term.
Such matters need to be clarified and some conclusions to be made for a community to preserve health and go on. Otherwise you are drowning into murky waters more and more.
Best regards Janko
Dne 10. 02. 2014 09:12, piše phil@highoctane.be <mailto:phil@highoctane.be>:
Guys,
From the outside it just looks like a couple of spoiled kids battling in the kindergarten.
All of this is not moving Smalltalk and Pharo any single bit forward. Backwards, there is a fair chance.
Now, could you take this discussion elsewhere? Pick up a phone and talk.
Who cares if anyone is right? Oh yeah, EUR 4K, what a huge amount to fight over for an European org... (rolleyes).
Phil
On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 8:29 AM, Luc Fabresse <luc.fabresse@gmail.com <mailto:luc.fabresse@gmail.com> <mailto:luc.fabresse@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi Janko,
I do not have all numbers at hand now but in 2013 there were 4 extra-GSOC but we paid only 3 because one student gave up (Jean-Baptiste Beuzelin). So yes you are probably right that it remains money if we integrate last year BUT we were willing to spend it.
Luc
2014-02-09 Janko Mivšek <janko.mivsek@eranova.si <mailto:janko.mivsek@eranova.si> <mailto:janko.mivsek@eranova.si>>:
Dear all,
First to Luc: from your numbers it is clear that you are not to be blamed on anything, because you were obviously misinformed and misguided.
Facts namely are:
1. GSoC mentors decided to pay extra stipendiums 3000 USD [1] while ESUG without approval paid 2000 more, 5000 USD, without any report back to GSoC mentors,
2. GSoC mentors decided to add past GSoC2012 amount to the pool for paying extra projects [2][3].
Calculation (without the Summit expenses) therefore is:
Income: GSoC 2012 13x 500 = 6.500 USD GSoC 2013 13x 500 = 6.500 USD ------------------------------ 13.000 USD
Expenses: Extra stipendiums: 3x 3.000 = 9.000 USD
Difference: + 4.000 USD
If ESUG would follow the decisions of GSoC mentors it wouldn't loose any money but gain 4.000 USD.
Those that misinformed and misguided you needs therefore to apologize to you Luc, to the GSoC mentors and to me as admin!
Janko
[1] https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/smalltalk-gsoc-mentors/Yrlj8dIgGPg [2] https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/smalltalk-gsoc-mentors/WwnxpkXzAB8 [3] https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/smalltalk-gsoc-mentors/tR44jdPT5Hw
Dne 09. 02. 2014 17:26, piše Luc Fabresse:
Hi all,
------------ FACTS
As you all know, I am the ESUG treasurer. So please find the numbers attached for the ESUG support of GSOC projects in 2013.
ESUG sponsored 3 "extra-GSOC" meaning extra slots not accepted by Google. In the file it is: Alejandro Infante, Pablo Estefo and Benjamin Arezki.
All in all we paid: - 3695EUR (~5000USD at that time i.e. same cost as a regular GSOC) each projects - Serge trip to Mentor summit
And we received 5552EUR from Google
so yes we lost ~6582EUR That is easy 13*500 USD would only cover 1 plain extra-Gsoc and we sponsorized 3.
I also think that it is important to send someone to the GSoc mentor summit because it participates to the fact that Google recognizes ESUG ang gives slots the next year.
It is alos important to note dates. ESUG paid first and then has been refund by Google. It would not be possible to do it without ESUG.
------------ FROM HERE, MY POINT OF VIEW ON THIS STORY:
As some of you know, I doing the ESUG treasury stuff on my *own* time and it takes a lot! I am doing it because I strongly believe that Smalltalk (all falvors!) is a really great language that should be more widespread.
I also completely open to discussions. The ESUG board can also explain its actions and even money status. I can do errors too. So if Janko wants some details on GSOC related money, JUST ASK!
I cannot admit that:
- Janko wrote about some money accusation. This is directly directed against the treasurer so me. And honestly, just reading again that I am biased and that I hide or steal money make me think that I should better quit.
- Janko asked for apologies! what is that? even if I would have done a mistake (and ESUG did not loose money), YOU STILL MUST THANK ME for DOING THIS BORING TASK! and then I can correct mistakes if any
- People wants an answer fast, this conversation started yesterday and I am spending my week-end with my kids
I am really fed up with this kind of attitude. Stop accuse, better ask, discuss and we will solve the problems together if any. But I think it will never happen...
#Luc The disgusted Treasurer of ESUG who will finish his week-end in bad mood
-- Janko Mivšek Smalltalk GSoC Admin Team
I no longer have confidence in Janko running as GSoC admin and want Paolo to take over as admin for Esug as mentoring organisation. Stephan Eggermont
I support this, along with a general require that you keep this discussion in private. Esteban On 10 Feb 2014, at 12:10, Stephan Eggermont <stephan@stack.nl> wrote:
I no longer have confidence in Janko running as GSoC admin and want Paolo to take over as admin for Esug as mentoring organisation.
Stephan Eggermont
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I support it, too. The only path to action I see is to act. And in this situation, Paolo was the only one that offered a pragmatic way out. Thank you, Paolo! :) So, I suggest this: - we take Marcus' suggestion and have the present issue be handled at the next ESUG general assembly. Like this we ensure that the problem is going to be addressed in a more effective environment (namely, more structured, and not via mail). - we go forward with Paolo as an admin. Like this we ensure that action happens now. Cheers, Doru On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 1:05 PM, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm@gmail.com>wrote:
I support this, along with a general require that you keep this discussion in private.
Esteban
On 10 Feb 2014, at 12:10, Stephan Eggermont <stephan@stack.nl> wrote:
I no longer have confidence in Janko running as GSoC admin and want Paolo to take over as admin for Esug as mentoring organisation.
Stephan Eggermont
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I do not understand the motivation of Janko, especially since he is apparently alone to think that way. It is impressive to see how fragile the community is. Thanks Paolo and thanks the ESUG board for handling this difficult situation! Cheers, Alexandre On Feb 10, 2014, at 7:14 AM, Tudor Girba <tudor@tudorgirba.com> wrote:
I support it, too.
The only path to action I see is to act. And in this situation, Paolo was the only one that offered a pragmatic way out. Thank you, Paolo! :)
So, I suggest this: - we take Marcus' suggestion and have the present issue be handled at the next ESUG general assembly. Like this we ensure that the problem is going to be addressed in a more effective environment (namely, more structured, and not via mail). - we go forward with Paolo as an admin. Like this we ensure that action happens now.
Cheers, Doru
On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 1:05 PM, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm@gmail.com> wrote: I support this, along with a general require that you keep this discussion in private.
Esteban
On 10 Feb 2014, at 12:10, Stephan Eggermont <stephan@stack.nl> wrote:
I no longer have confidence in Janko running as GSoC admin and want Paolo to take over as admin for Esug as mentoring organisation.
Stephan Eggermont
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+1 on this. On Feb 10, 2014, at 9:14 AM, Tudor Girba <tudor@tudorgirba.com> wrote:
I support it, too.
The only path to action I see is to act. And in this situation, Paolo was the only one that offered a pragmatic way out. Thank you, Paolo! :)
So, I suggest this: - we take Marcus' suggestion and have the present issue be handled at the next ESUG general assembly. Like this we ensure that the problem is going to be addressed in a more effective environment (namely, more structured, and not via mail). - we go forward with Paolo as an admin. Like this we ensure that action happens now.
Cheers, Doru
On Mon, Feb 10, 2014 at 1:05 PM, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm@gmail.com> wrote: I support this, along with a general require that you keep this discussion in private.
Esteban
On 10 Feb 2014, at 12:10, Stephan Eggermont <stephan@stack.nl> wrote:
I no longer have confidence in Janko running as GSoC admin and want Paolo to take over as admin for Esug as mentoring organisation.
Stephan Eggermont
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Alexandre Bergel -
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Stephan Eggermont -
Tudor Girba