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Re: [Pharo-project] Popularity of Smalltalk in Software Industry
by sourav roy May 6, 2011

May 6, 2011

HI All,I really got lost into this thread and was blown by the conversation which took place here ;). but i feel good as this has led people to think about the need for a serious documentation. And i feel it will be much welcome by the newbies to Smalltalk and will help in popularizing it.Regards,Sourav | Bangalore | India Original message From:"Nicolas Cellier"< nicolas.cellier.aka.nice(a)gmail.com >Date: 6 May 11 15:37:49Subject: Re: [Pharoproject] Popularity of Smalltalk in Software IndustryTo: Pharoproject(a)lists.gforge.inria.frGuys, this is crazy, this is a runaway thread ;)Please, please, a bit more empathy for newcomers would not hurt:change the subject in such cases.Welcome to Sourav, don't be afraid to ask this list for anything obscure.and congratulations to Toon for initial answer.Nicolas2011/5/6 StÃ©phane Ducasse :> Ok if some good souls want to give a try to generate html.>> Stef>>>>> Probably we should find a way to generate HTML from PDF or Latex.>> Any ideas?>>>> I've used latex2html several years ago.>>>> +1 for html>>>> Laurent.>>>>>>>> >>>> Now for the documentation when did you send an help documentation for any part of the system?>> >>>> Or a bug fix?>> >>>> I find quite funny that people always talk but few are doing. We welcome comments/examples help.>> >>> No need to get into a catfight here :)>> >>>> >> No this is not my point. But what do people really do to help?>> >>>> >>> I do agree with Stefan, as well as with you that we could help; but I'm unaware of a good documentation effort outside of the image to start with. Camillo's website project might be the best effort I've seen until now; but then I didn't really look either. Maybe I missed some great website?>> >>>> >> If this is just to spit out class comment on html I do not call that a documentation.>> >> Now we can take the book contents and generate html>> >> We have 350 pages in the first book and the same in the second one.>> >> People are free to join and write o ne or two chapters.>> >>> > StÃ©phane,>> >>> > Of course you are right: wining/complaining doesn't help, only action does. We need more people like Laurent focusing on documentation.>> >>> > I for one think that the well written, high quality books that exist (PBE, Seaside Book) are *very valuable*, much better than confusing wiki site (although these have their place as well).>> >>> > But the other point is: in most other popular languages, what current, young developers do, when they get an error that they don't understand is copy/paste the literal text in Google and in a surprisingly large number of cases you find some real answers in the first page.>> >>> > This is also related to popularity of course.>> >>> > Sven>>>>>>>>>Get Yourself a cool, short @in.com Email ID now!

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[Pharo-project] Nile tests red - Pharo 1.3
by Alain_Rastoul May 6, 2011

May 6, 2011

Hi, I have a changeset to fix most tests -all except one at this time- of Nile, most of the red tests are the same errors related to NewParagraph, NSTranscripter, so the changeset is very small but I don't the procedure to submit a fix ? Do I add a comment to the issue at code.google with the attached changeset ? http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=4051 Do someone review the code (as I am new to Pharo and don't know much of Nile , Transcripter ) ? Do someone - ... who? ... - incorporate the changeset in the sources of the package ? TIA Alain

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[Pharo-project] Making cr to autocomplete as well as tab (in Pharo 1.3)
by Igor Stasenko May 6, 2011

May 6, 2011

Hi, i just found inconvenient that for autocompletion i should press tab all the time while i tend to always hit enter, which instead of pasting suggestion, inserts cr into text. So i hacked a lil piece of code to make autocompletion to insert suggested text when you pressing either tab or cr -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko AKA sig.

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[Pharo-project] Preferred way of removing slice from Inbox
by laurent laffont May 6, 2011

May 6, 2011

Hi, Once a SLICE is integrated in PharoCore, how do you remove it from PharoInbox ? Laurent

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[Pharo-project] Popularity of Smalltalk in Software Industry
by sourav roy May 5, 2011

May 5, 2011

Hi All,I have just started my career in Software/IT industry and got into a project which involes enhancement/maintainance of product built in Smalltalk.I was never exposed to this language before and have no idea if it is used in the Industry as popularly as JAVA and .NET and looks like its a DEADlanguage for the industry. I may be wrong but i need some clarification about it. I just want to know that why smalltalk is not so popular as the other OOPs Languages and what is the future prospect of one if he/she is into Smalltalk development.Looking for some positive note so that it may give me some entho for working with Smalltalk. Thanks&Regards, Sourav RoyGet Yourself a cool, short @in.com Email ID now!

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[Pharo-project] [update 1.3] #13183
by laurent laffont May 5, 2011

May 5, 2011

13183 ----- Issue #4132: - LongTest are run by default (so they will be run by Hudson) - Add a setting in System / Run Long Test to enable / disable them - Comment Laurent

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[Pharo-project] Personalized systems with Treated
by Chris Muller May 5, 2011

May 5, 2011

To support Magma 1.2, I introduced some changes to OrderedCollection into the Squeak trunk some time ago. To deliver Magma to Pharo users, I needed to have these same enhancements in Pharo 1.1 and 1.2. But they were already released, so how was this solved? My first instinct was to deliver a change-set; the classical way to modify the system. But I know dirty packages are unattractive, and besides that the only way to achieve one-click load of something involving a change-set + MC-packages in Pharo is with a SAR - overkill since Magma is just MC packages; no resources. I really wanted to release Magma 1.2 to Pharo with just a Gofer script. So, I decided to import the same changes I made to Squeak's OrderedCollection into Pharo's and then save that new version to the Inbox and adjusted my Gofer script for loading Magma to merge that version of Collections from repositories: Pharo, Inbox, TreatedInbox. I knew they would accept it, thank you Pharo, BUT it's nice to know that I could actually deliver my application without having to wait for it to be integrated, or worry even if it didn't get accepted; that chain of repositories should work immediately and forever, no matter the outcome of acceptance. Thanks to MC merging, this is as unintrusive as it can be; in case someone runs with their own "personalizations" to the Collections package, loading Magma won't clobber them; nor will updating with official Pharo-released patches, because those are merged too. With the context of this experience, I came to view the "Treated" repository with a new respect; enabling a non-core developer to personalize system packages for my application.. - Chris

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[Pharo-project] [COTDC] 59 - HierarchicalURI
by laurent laffont May 5, 2011

May 5, 2011

Today: HierarchicalURI Comment Of The Day Contest - One Day One Comment Rules: #1: Each day a not commented class is elected. Each day the best comment will be integrated with name of the author(s). #2: If you cannot comment it, deprecate it. Results: http://code.google.com/p/pharo/wiki/CommentOfTheDayContest Laurent

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[Pharo-project] Just starting out
by Torsten Bergmann May 5, 2011

May 5, 2011

http://omasko.wordpress.com/2011/05/02/just-starting-out "Ultimately, we ended up in Pharo, an environment I havenât really had the opportunity to spend much time with. After some bad experiences with Squeak a few years ago, Iâve tended to stick with the old standards, but I was pleasantly surprised with the current state of Pharo, and given that much of the current innovation in the Smalltalk world is coming from Pharo, itâs not a bad place to start a newcomer." -- Empfehlen Sie GMX DSL Ihren Freunden und Bekannten und wir belohnen Sie mit bis zu 50,- Euro! https://freundschaftswerbung.gmx.de

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[Pharo-project] [COTDC] 58 - TextPrinter
by laurent laffont May 4, 2011

May 4, 2011

Today: TextPrinter Comment Of The Day Contest - One Day One Comment Rules: #1: Each day a not commented class is elected. Each day the best comment will be integrated with name of the author(s). #2: If you cannot comment it, deprecate it. Results: http://code.google.com/p/pharo/wiki/CommentOfTheDayContest Laurent

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