[Pharo-project] Just starting out
http://omasko.wordpress.com/2011/05/02/just-starting-out "Ultimately, we ended up in Pharo, an environment I havenât really had the opportunity to spend much time with. After some bad experiences with Squeak a few years ago, Iâve tended to stick with the old standards, but I was pleasantly surprised with the current state of Pharo, and given that much of the current innovation in the Smalltalk world is coming from Pharo, itâs not a bad place to start a newcomer." -- Empfehlen Sie GMX DSL Ihren Freunden und Bekannten und wir belohnen Sie mit bis zu 50,- Euro! https://freundschaftswerbung.gmx.de
We should continue doing :) Tx torsten for the mail Stef On May 3, 2011, at 8:18 AM, Torsten Bergmann wrote:
http://omasko.wordpress.com/2011/05/02/just-starting-out
"Ultimately, we ended up in Pharo, an environment I havenât really had the opportunity to spend much time with. After some bad experiences with Squeak a few years ago, Iâve tended to stick with the old standards, but I was pleasantly surprised with the current state of Pharo, and given that much of the current innovation in the Smalltalk world is coming from Pharo, itâs not a bad place to start a newcomer." -- Empfehlen Sie GMX DSL Ihren Freunden und Bekannten und wir belohnen Sie mit bis zu 50,- Euro! https://freundschaftswerbung.gmx.de
On 03/05/11 16:18, Torsten Bergmann wrote:
I just read the article and it mentioned that Cincom aren't allowing downloads of VisualWorks Non Commercial, but are insisting that you ask for a CD to be mailed. Very strange behaviour for the internet age of instant gratification. Steve
On 4 May 2011 00:31, Steve Taylor <stephen.taylor@bom.gov.au> wrote:
On 03/05/11 16:18, Torsten Bergmann wrote:
I just read the article and it mentioned that Cincom aren't allowing downloads of VisualWorks Non Commercial, but are insisting that you ask for a CD to be mailed. Very strange behaviour for the internet age of instant gratification.
Indeed. This is strange. But you know, there is even more strange stories, like companies who using smalltalk for their competitive advantage, but they hiding this fact from others for obvious reasons. But the bad side of it that it doesn't helps smalltalk to be more popular and attract more developers & industry. So if you hear from some big company official 'we are using .. errr ... Oracle' , don't bet on it :)
         Steve
-- Best regards, Igor Stasenko AKA sig.
this is because they are forced to do so because of a new law in the us about crypto. Believe they do not like that. Stef On May 4, 2011, at 12:31 AM, Steve Taylor wrote:
On 03/05/11 16:18, Torsten Bergmann wrote:
I just read the article and it mentioned that Cincom aren't allowing downloads of VisualWorks Non Commercial, but are insisting that you ask for a CD to be mailed. Very strange behaviour for the internet age of instant gratification.
Steve
On 04 May 2011, at 09:41, Toon Verwaest wrote:
On 05/04/2011 07:20 AM, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
this is because they are forced to do so because of a new law in the us about crypto. Believe they do not like that. What law is that, and why? Sounds interesting :)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Export_of_cryptography_in_the_United_States Basically, encryption is a weapon. Sven
On 05/04/2011 09:53 AM, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote:
On 04 May 2011, at 09:41, Toon Verwaest wrote:
On 05/04/2011 07:20 AM, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
this is because they are forced to do so because of a new law in the us about crypto. Believe they do not like that. What law is that, and why? Sounds interesting :) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Export_of_cryptography_in_the_United_States
Basically, encryption is a weapon.
Sven Uncrackable encryption will allow drug lords, spies, terrorists and even violent gangs to communicate about their crimes and their conspiracies with impunity. We will lose one of the few remaining vulnerabilities of the worst criminals and terrorists upon which law enforcement depends to successfully investigate and often prevent the worst crimes. For this reason, the law enforcement community is unanimous in calling for a balanced solution to this problem.
Seriously? ROFL So soon you can't ssh to the states anymore? :)
On 4 May 2011 09:58, Toon Verwaest <toon.verwaest@gmail.com> wrote:
On 05/04/2011 09:53 AM, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote:
On 04 May 2011, at 09:41, Toon Verwaest wrote:
On 05/04/2011 07:20 AM, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
this is because they are forced to do so because of a new law in the us about crypto. Believe they do not like that.
What law is that, and why? Sounds interesting :)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Export_of_cryptography_in_the_United_States
Basically, encryption is a weapon.
Sven
Uncrackable encryption will allow drug lords, spies, terrorists and even violent gangs to communicate about their crimes and their conspiracies with impunity. We will lose one of the few remaining vulnerabilities of the worst criminals and terrorists upon which law enforcement depends to successfully investigate and often prevent the worst crimes. For this reason, the law enforcement community is unanimous in calling for a balanced solution to this problem.
hahaha.. what a moronic excuse. "We don't want you to be able to encrypt your data, because you might be a terrorist" but actually: "We don't want you to be able to encrypt your data, because then we can't watch over you and your private life" :)
Seriously? ROFL So soon you can't ssh to the states anymore? :)
-- Best regards, Igor Stasenko AKA sig.
On 04/05/2011 08:58, Toon Verwaest wrote:
On 05/04/2011 09:53 AM, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote:
On 04 May 2011, at 09:41, Toon Verwaest wrote:
On 05/04/2011 07:20 AM, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
this is because they are forced to do so because of a new law in the us about crypto. Believe they do not like that. What law is that, and why? Sounds interesting :) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Export_of_cryptography_in_the_United_States
Basically, encryption is a weapon.
Sven Uncrackable encryption will allow drug lords, spies, terrorists and even violent gangs to communicate about their crimes and their conspiracies with impunity. We will lose one of the few remaining vulnerabilities of the worst criminals and terrorists upon which law enforcement depends to successfully investigate and often prevent the worst crimes. For this reason, the law enforcement community is unanimous in calling for a balanced solution to this problem.
I have to wonder if the people behind this realise that public key encryption was originally invented in the UK, not the USA which makes export controls rather pointless :)
Reminds of the story of PGP where they could not export the algorithm directly, due to said restrictions. But what they did instead is printing a huge book and exporting the sources this way :D. http://www.pgpi.org/pgpi/project/scanning/ camillo On 2011-05-05, at 09:11, Douglas Brebner wrote:
On 04/05/2011 08:58, Toon Verwaest wrote:
On 05/04/2011 09:53 AM, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote:
On 04 May 2011, at 09:41, Toon Verwaest wrote:
On 05/04/2011 07:20 AM, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
this is because they are forced to do so because of a new law in the us about crypto. Believe they do not like that. What law is that, and why? Sounds interesting :) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Export_of_cryptography_in_the_United_States
Basically, encryption is a weapon.
Sven Uncrackable encryption will allow drug lords, spies, terrorists and even violent gangs to communicate about their crimes and their conspiracies with impunity. We will lose one of the few remaining vulnerabilities of the worst criminals and terrorists upon which law enforcement depends to successfully investigate and often prevent the worst crimes. For this reason, the law enforcement community is unanimous in calling for a balanced solution to this problem.
I have to wonder if the people behind this realise that public key encryption was originally invented in the UK, not the USA which makes export controls rather pointless :)
Yes, I'm interested too. Sounds reminiscent of the ITAR days of the late 1990s. Wonder if I still have that T-shirt... -- Cheers, Peter. On 4 maj 2011, at 09:41, Toon Verwaest <toon.verwaest@gmail.com> wrote:
On 05/04/2011 07:20 AM, Stéphane Ducasse wrote:
this is because they are forced to do so because of a new law in the us about crypto. Believe they do not like that. What law is that, and why? Sounds interesting :)
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