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[Pharo-project] World menu on right-click only
by Janko MivÅ¡ek June 27, 2009

June 27, 2009

Dear Pharoers, Noticing that you already managed to cleanup a lot of usability mess, what if you start tackling this one too: - main World menu on left-click is not intuitive, we all expect such menus on right-click instead. But there actually is a World menu on right-click, just that it contains a stuff I never ever used yet. This probably means that it is not very important and it can rather go to submenus, while the top menu level can actually contain the stuff from left-click World menu. Joining both menus seems therefore possible and that way you'll be one step closer to the normal world on usability terms. Just a few thoughts for a post 1.0 episode .... Janko -- Janko MivÅ¡ek Svetovalec za informatiko Eranova d.o.o. Ljubljana, Slovenija www.eranova.si tel: 01 514 22 55 faks: 01 514 22 56 gsm: 031 674 565

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[Pharo-project] Fwd: [Seaside] [Ann] Meteoroid, a MVC framework for the web using Comet
by Andrey Larionov June 27, 2009

June 27, 2009

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: santiago robles <santiagorobles(a)gmail.com> Date: Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 19:19 Subject: Re: [Seaside] [Ann] Meteoroid, a MVC framework for the web using Comet To: Seaside - general discussion <seaside(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org> Hello, we are working on a new version of Meteoroid which includes more tests, more fancy examples and some bug fixes. Besides that, I am working on a port to Squeak/Pharo. Currently, it works on Seaside2.8 with Swazoo2.1, but there are some problems to fix yet. I am doing it in my free time so I will finish it in a few weeks, but any help is more than welcome. Taking advantage this mail, I have some questions that can help me to do it quicker. 1)I am interested on making the port to the same versions of Swazoo (version 2.2) and Seaside (version 2.8), that are the same versions that we use in the Meteoroid VW version. Is there any Seaside-Adapters-Swazoo for Swazoo2.2 and Seaside2.8? because I couldn't find it, the ones I found were for Seaside2.9 and Swazoo2.2. 2)Anyone knows if is there any ValueModel port for Squeak or Pharo? I hope my answer fill your expectations. Santiago Robles 2009/6/25 Sungjin Chun <chunsj(a)embian.com> > > Me too. :-) > > On Jun 25, 2009, at 8:12 AM, Andrey Larionov wrote: > >> Can you export sources from STORE and put in some place for interested >> in porting parties? >> Thanks. >> >> On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 17:09, santiago robles<santiagorobles(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Hello, >>> Thanks for your answers. I am one of the people who made Meteoroid. >>> Yes, it is for VisualWorks only. For the moment, we are not going to make a >>> port to Squeak, because we are focussed on adding a layer which will bind >>> ValueModels and HTML widgets to abstract more the idea of Comet. >>> Maybe, if we finish this layer quickly we will make a port to Squeak/Pharo + >>> Swazoo. We can also help others to port it into Squeak if somebody is >>> interested. We think that port it to Squeak/Pharo + Swazoo will not be very >>> difficult, except for the Announcement part because we have to select an >>> Announcement implementation for Squeak/Pharo (and we do not know which is >>> "the right one"). >>> Cheers, >>> Santiago Robles >>> >>> 2009/5/21 "S.J.Chun" <chunsj(a)embian.com> >>>> >>>> Only for VW? not for squeaak, right? >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> seaside mailing list >>>> seaside(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org >>>> http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> seaside mailing list >>> seaside(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org >>> http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> seaside mailing list >> seaside(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org >> http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside >> > > _______________________________________________ > seaside mailing list > seaside(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list seaside(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside

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Re: [Pharo-project] 10342: debbuger problems
by Dale Henrichs June 26, 2009

June 26, 2009

Looks like a newly introduced bug...Someone must have removed/changed the way the DebuggerMethodMap is handled (the debuggerMap was used to provide source offset information) ... HMMM? Looks like you'll have to disable the OTDebugger until I get a chance to figure out what went wrong ... In OTToolSet class>>debug:context:label:contents:fullView: redirect to the super class implementation to get the old debugger, which presumably still works... Dale ----- "Janko MivÅ¡ek" <janko.mivsek(a)eranova.si> wrote: | Hi Dale, | | Dale Henrichs pravi: | | > Hmmm... what happens if you run '[ 3 halt ] fork'? | | Similar problem, just elsewhere: | | MNU #debuggerMap | ITClosureContextNode>>selection | "Answer the indices in the source code for the method corresponding | to | the selected context's program counter value." | | self context isDead ifTrue: | [^1 to: 0]. | debuggerMap ifNil: | [debuggerMap := self method debuggerMap]. | | Janko | | > I remember that there was a little discussion about the correct | implementation of #isSuspended ... In my (older) image #isSuspended is | implemented as '^myList isNil' ... what's yours look like? My guess is | that in your case myList might be an empty list ... | > | > Dale | > | > ----- "Janko MivÅ¡ek" <janko.mivsek(a)eranova.si> wrote: | > | > | Hello Pharoers, | > | | > | I have one halt in code, raising an exception but when I want to | Debug | > | it, I got | > | | > | Error: Unable to debug a running process | > | | > | in OTDebugger class: | > | | > | process: aProcess context: aContext errorWasInUIProcess: aBool | > | | processNode contextNode | | > | aProcess isSuspended | > | ifFalse: [ self error: 'Unable to debug a running | process.' | > | ]. | > | | > | aProcess is a Process in OTToolset | > | class>>debug:context:label:contents:fullView: | > | | > | My process with halt is otherwise a background SwazooConnenction | > | process. | > | | > | What is the reason for that? | > | | > | Janko | > | | > | -- | > | Janko MivÅ¡ek | > | AIDA/Web | > | Smalltalk Web Application Server | > | http://www.aidaweb.si

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Re: [Pharo-project] 10342: debbuger problems
by Dale Henrichs June 26, 2009

June 26, 2009

Janko, Hmmm... what happens if you run '[ 3 halt ] fork'? I remember that there was a little discussion about the correct implementation of #isSuspended ... In my (older) image #isSuspended is implemented as '^myList isNil' ... what's yours look like? My guess is that in your case myList might be an empty list ... Dale ----- "Janko MivÅ¡ek" <janko.mivsek(a)eranova.si> wrote: | Hello Pharoers, | | I have one halt in code, raising an exception but when I want to Debug | it, I got | | Error: Unable to debug a running process | | in OTDebugger class: | | process: aProcess context: aContext errorWasInUIProcess: aBool | | processNode contextNode | | aProcess isSuspended | ifFalse: [ self error: 'Unable to debug a running process.' | ]. | | aProcess is a Process in OTToolset | class>>debug:context:label:contents:fullView: | | My process with halt is otherwise a background SwazooConnenction | process. | | What is the reason for that? | | Janko | | -- | Janko MivÅ¡ek | AIDA/Web | Smalltalk Web Application Server | http://www.aidaweb.si | | _______________________________________________ | Pharo-project mailing list | Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr | http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

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Re: [Pharo-project] FFI problem
by Mariano Martinez Peck June 26, 2009

June 26, 2009

On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 7:41 PM, Andreas Raab <andreas.raab(a)gmx.de> wrote: > Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > >> >> >> 2009/6/26 Benoit St-Jean <bstjean(a)yahoo.com <mailto:bstjean@yahoo.com>> >> >> Anyone here using FFI (and possibly ODBC) with Pharo? >> >> >> Yes I am, in SqueakDBX. For latests Pharo images (closure images) you need >> FFI-Kernel-ar.9 (the latest FFI version). You can simply evaluate: >> ScriptLoader loadFFI. >> >> Which OS are you using? I test it here in Windows and have the same >> results, the image crash. In Linux I think I don't have this problem. >> >> Andres, do you know what can be the problem? >> > > Sorry, what was the question? Download latest Windows VM (Squeak 3.11.2) from Pharo webpage. Then evaluate ScriptLoader loadFFI and try to run FFI tests. The image will crash! Thanks! Mariano > > > Cheers, > - Andreas > > >> Anyway, FFI is working well (without taking in mind FFI tests). I have >> SqueakDBX perfectly working (and it uses FFI). >> >> For ODBC: I can told you 2 things: >> >> 1) Search in this list because there was a topic about this in this week ( >> http://n2.nabble.com/ODBC-on-Pharo--td3152288.html#a3152288) and there >> should be more. >> >> 2) You can try SqueakDBX instead of ODBC. It has not only an ODBC backend, >> but also Oracle, MySQL, PostgreSQL, Sqlite3 and MS SQLServer. It also works >> in Linux, Mac and Windows (depends on the database). And finally, when >> possible, we use asynchronous queries so that to lock the VM as little as >> possible. For further information, read our wiki: >> http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/6052 >> >> Best, >> >> Mariano >> >> >> >> Trying the SUnit tests that comes with the package makes the VM >> crash. BAM! Quick & simple exit as soon as I run it! >> ----------------- >> Benoit St-Jean >> Yahoo! Messenger: bstjean >> Blog: lamneth.wordpress.com <http://lamneth.wordpress.com> >> A standpoint is an intellectual horizon of radius zero. >> (Albert Einstein) >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Looking for the perfect gift?* Give the gift of Flickr!* >> <http://www.flickr.com/gift/> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> <mailto:Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr> >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> >>

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[Pharo-project] 10342: debbuger problems
by Janko MivÅ¡ek June 26, 2009

June 26, 2009

Hello Pharoers, I have one halt in code, raising an exception but when I want to Debug it, I got Error: Unable to debug a running process in OTDebugger class: process: aProcess context: aContext errorWasInUIProcess: aBool | processNode contextNode | aProcess isSuspended ifFalse: [ self error: 'Unable to debug a running process.' ]. aProcess is a Process in OTToolset class>>debug:context:label:contents:fullView: My process with halt is otherwise a background SwazooConnenction process. What is the reason for that? Janko -- Janko MivÅ¡ek AIDA/Web Smalltalk Web Application Server http://www.aidaweb.si

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[Pharo-project] [ANN] TDDFacilities
by Hernan Wilkinson June 26, 2009

June 26, 2009

Hi, I uploaded the project TDDFacilities to squeaksource for you to try it. This package provides the following features: 1. It allows to run/step tests from the browsers code panel. No need to save the method, it will save it automatically 2. It disables the Notifier and goes directly to the Debugger 3. It adds a new button to the debugger to create a method when doesNotUndertand is sent. 4. The debugger's size is 3/4 of the screen by default 5. It does not ask for unknown selectors or unused variables when a method is saved 6. The OB test status is always updated, even when debugging a test * To run a test from the code panel: ctr+t * To step a test from the code panel: ctr+r ATTENTION: TO EXECUTE THE TEST FROM THE CODE PANEL, YOU HAVE TO EVALUATE FIRST: OBTextMorphEditorWithShout initialize When using the OTDebugger, The "Create Method" button sometimes generates another debugger. I could no find out why, so help from people that understand how the OTDebugger works will be appreciated. I hope you like it. Any questions just let me know. Bye, Hernan.

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[Pharo-project] Experiences with 10342
by Janko MivÅ¡ek June 26, 2009

June 26, 2009

Hello Pharoers, I just load the 10342-dev and here are my observations: - right mouse now works ok by default on my Linux - clipboard works mostly well between Linux-Pharo, sometimes it forgets a new copy on Linux and paste old content instead. But not work yet between VW (on Linux) and Pharo. But this can be a problem on VW side as well. It is very annoying while syncing the code between VA and Pharo. - right click inside browser raise an exception: OBTextSelection(Object)>>doesNotUnderstand: #isMethodNode - loading from MC is much slower that in, say squeak 3.9 - saving MC crashed image (segfault in UUID initalize)! - slow response on every user action (mouse click or keyboard press), specially in browser. This is quite annoying, because it is only app on my PC with such slow response. And my PC is not slow (3.2MHz). Response is near 500ms, which is well above acceptable level which is near 200-300ms. - default look@feel doesn't look very nice, nor professional on my Linux with KDE - window controls are just the opposite and on the opposite side of the default one on Linux! This is very annoying and really a show-stopper IMO, on Linux and also Windows. Can you auto setup the other look@feel by default here, as you did for swapMouse? - renaming just a local method with the same method as in other classes not possible - removing such method not work as well (refactor method>remove) - why refactoring part of right-click menu is not local to method, or category, or class? But don't forget that merits of current Pharo are much bigger than above shortcomings, so accept those critics as an encouragement to do it even better! Best regards Janko -- Janko MivÅ¡ek AIDA/Web Smalltalk Web Application Server http://www.aidaweb.si

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[Pharo-project] Fwd: [squeak-dev] Faster Sets Project: Response to comments.
by Mariano Martinez Peck June 26, 2009

June 26, 2009

can this be of interest? ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Ralph Boland <rpboland(a)gmail.com> Date: Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 6:47 PM Subject: [squeak-dev] Faster Sets Project: Response to comments. To: squeak-dev(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org First, as suggested I have changed the license to MIT. The follow suggestion was made: if you would like your new implementation to replace the old one in Squeak, you might want to write unit tests. These tests ensure that there is no problem. FasterSets includes only one new class used for measuring the performance improvement of the other changes. All of the remaining improvements are changes to class Set and its many subclasses. Allow me to consider 4 subsets of the classes Set and all of its subclasses. 1) (Set WeakIdentityKeyDictionary Dictionary) These classes have unit tests. I have run them and they all pass with FasterSets. 2) ComparesCountingSet This is the only new subclass of Set that I have added. It only measures performance and will disappear once the FasterSets project is incorporated into Squeak. Is is exercised sufficiently in doing its performance measurements that I do not feel that it needs a unit test. 3) (WeakKeyDictionary IdentityDictionary WeakSet KeyedSet PluggableDictionary WeakKeyToCollectionDictionary WeakValueDictionary PluggableSet MethodDictionary LiteralDictionary IdentitySet SystemDictionary KeyedIdentitySet) These are the subclasses of Set that have no unit tests. If unit tests for these classes are added to Squeak I will run FasterSets code against them and fix any FasterSet bugs I find. I have no desire to write them though. I don't know what most of them do and feel these tests are best written by someone who does. Even if all these test existed and passed with FasterSets it wouldn't establish that FasterSets has not introduced bugs. I have tested them in a rather poor way. I have been running Squeak using FasterSets since Squeak 3.6 and, as it happens, my application uses Set and a number of its subclasses A LOT! So some of these subclasses should be considered reasonably well tested (Set, Dictionary,IdentitySet). The others have been tested to the extent that they have been exercised by my using Squeak. However most of the work I do is algorithmic (finite state machine construction mostly) and so I'm sure large sections of Squeak are not exercised or not exercised very well by me. So there is real potential that anyone who loads FasterSets into their image will discover bugs and I recommend caution to anyone who loads FasterSets. Fixing bugs though should be easy. I will fix any reported to me or give permission to anyone who wants to to make and install the fix themselves. This may all sound very alarming but keep in mind that FasterSets actually contains very little code and not very complicated code at that. Caution is warranted because the classes modified are all low level and some are extensively used. The real problem though is, I suspect, some are not extensively used. 4) (WeakKeyToCollectionDictionary WeakValueDictionary PluggableSet LiteralDictionary SystemDictionary KeyedIdentitySet) These subclasses of Set have not been modified in FasterSets; in other words most have. Even the unmodified ones have superclasses that have been modified so all need to be tested. In fact the only reason for classes not being modified is because they inherit the necessary added behavior. Thus in my opinion the only classes that have been adequately tested are Set, Dictionary, and IdentityDictionary. If someone wants to claim that the five tests run by WeakIdentityKeyDictionaryTest are sufficient to claim WeakIdentityKeyDictionary is adequately tested I can add it to the list?. If anyone can send me a list of classes adequately tested just by running Squeak I will add them to the list. If I ever get to the point that all subclasses of Set are claimed to be adequately tested by somebody I will make a posting state this and who claims the tests are adequate. If anybody wishes to write any of the missing unit tests and add them to FasterSets until such time as they can be added to Squeak such efforts are most welcome. A final comment. I am most interested in getting FasterSets incorporated into Squeak and that means having FasterSets being properly tested. However I don't consider myself to be the best person to do this work though I will help if I can. The best persons to do so are those who can load FasterSets into their image and not be too upset if they get blown out of the water! They also must have images they can claim exercises one or most of the Set subclasses adequately. Regards, Ralph Boland On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 3:21 PM, Ralph Boland<rpboland(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I finally released my first project to the www.squeaksource.comrepository. > Its called FasterSets. It makes sets faster by not doing compares during > grow operations which makes adding to sets use about 14% fewer compares > on average during an add: operation assuming no deletions or preallocation > of space before adding elements. Code for measuring performance is included. > See Class FastSetsComment. > > Comments welcome. > > I consider the project complete but am willing to make changes as required > or give permissions for others to do so or to take over the project. > > My hope is that this code will be incorporated into Squeak someday. > I have not signed any release forms to allow this but am willing to do > so. > > The project runs in Squeak 3.10.2 but can be easily modified to work > in previous > versions of Squeak. > > Regards > > Ralph Boland > >

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June 26, 2009

Hi all We are looking for a (smart) (smalltalker) to work on a phd in the topic of: Extreme-bound deployement for dynamic languages the idea is how can we blow away images and have a mini kernel that depending on what is happening will load unload parts of an image and reconfigure itself dynamically. with me/noury/marcus and others A clearer description is to come :) Stef

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