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[Pharo-project] Fwd: [vwnc] Smalltalk forum in French
by StÃ©phane Ducasse June 12, 2009

June 12, 2009

Begin forwarded message: > From: Florent Arrignon <florent_arrignon(a)hotmail.fr> > Date: June 12, 2009 11:29:18 AM CEDT > To: <vwnc(a)cs.uiuc.edu> > Subject: [vwnc] Smalltalk forum in French > > Hi list, > > I just wanted to inform the french speaking VisualWorks users that I > have created a free website about Smalltalk in french at this url: > > http://www.smalltalkinfrench.org > > The site is very new so there is not much content until now but > there is already a forum available (http://www.smalltalkinfrench.org/forum > ). I have space to host Smalltalk resources in french if needed. > > The aims are simply to provide a place to point all resources about > Smalltalk (mailing lists, wiki, websites, blogs) and also to > experiment a single forum where french Smalltalkers could ask and > answer questions about Smalltalk and its different implementations > (whether open source or not), from beginners to experts, just to see > if it helps to strenghten the french Smalltalk community. > > So for the french speaking VisualWorks users, I hope you'll visit us > and for the non native french speaking users, sorry for the spam but > I can still send you this message: it is allways time to learn > French and then visit us ;-) > > Have a good day all, > > Florent Arrignon > > > > > > > > Vous voulez savoir ce que vous pouvez faire avec le nouveau Windows > Live ? Lancez-vous !_______________________________________________ > vwnc mailing list > vwnc(a)cs.uiuc.edu > http://lists.cs.uiuc.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwnc

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[Pharo-project] multiple native windows
by Steve Wirts June 12, 2009

June 12, 2009

Besides programming effort, is there a reason why squeak/pharo shouldn't consider going to a GUI model that includes real multiple native windows? I'm not a c/c++ programmer and wouldn't know where to begin with that piece, but inside of smalltalk it seems it wouldn't be all that difficult of a refactoring. I only bring this up as this would put pharo/squeak more in line with many other conventional languages (with respect to user interfaces), and get it "back in the game" so to speak for when technologies are being considered for business solutions. You could include in this 1) Native support for drag and drop and 2) support for embedded native controls. Something like SWT and Jide now both support. Sorry if I've overlooked something with this and the con is obvious. thanks sw

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Re: [Pharo-project] Fwd: First try of Pharo
by Torsten Bergmann June 12, 2009

June 12, 2009

Hi Andres, (CC-ing the list) yes, some points: - the newest Pharo is AFAIK currently slow due to a bug introduced in one of the latest updates, Stephane tries to roll back (see http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/pipermail/pharo-project/2009-June/009729.html) - I think it would be better to package VM+sources+changes+image in one file per platform for the main download page in the future or provide a "one click" experience. There is already a one click install for Seaside based on pharo (see new on www.seaside.st) - so could be a "one click pharo" - the windows installer is releatively new and therefore not yet on the download page (we will change that) There is now a newer, see: http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/pipermail/pharo-project/2009-June/009656.html Thanks for the feedback and tell us how the win32 Setup goes as soon as you are ready. Bye Torsten -------- Original-Nachricht -------- > Datum: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 16:32:07 -0300 > Von: andres <...> > An: Torsten Bergmann <...> > Betreff: Re: Fwd: First try of Pharo > Hi Torsten, thanks for the quick response! I think that, since I didn't > have much time to write, I couldn't explain myself in the previous mail. > So, here is my second try :). I really like the goals of Pharo and I > wish that it becomes a professional St open source solution. I have > historically worked with VW and could never get used to Squeak, yet I > would love to work with something like pharo in the future. So, the aim > of my mail was more to portrait the experience of someone saying "I've > been hearing about Pharo, let's give it a try". > So I went into the page, download section and got the pharo 09.06.01 > image (with seaside and pier) and the corresponding vm for my platform. > My feeling is that if I just wanted to get a taste of Pharo I would just > say that I got an error message and that the environment was very slow > and I think this is really a pity. Of course I'm not working too hard > here and I know the project hasn't reach the 1.0 version, but in some > cases (and this is more a personal appreciation) you got only one shot > to attract people to your product and if this was the only shot for > pharo I would have dismissed it. > As you said, the first issue is extremely simple to solve and it is > really frustrating that the first thing you see when trying a new piece > of software is an error message. After you mentioned it in the mail, I > realized that the sources where in the page, however the first time I > saw the page I associated them with the /VM/ sources files, since it is > an open source project and the title of the section is "Source file" > (which I misread as "Source Files", hence the confusion). Regarding the > one-click image I think it is a great idea and I think it would be great > to include that in the download page of the project together with the > other files. That would make the newcommers life easier. > I'm on my linux box now, so as soon as I'm on the other machine and get > some air I'll try the one-click image and tell you how it went. > > HTH, > AndrÃ©s > > Torsten Bergmann escribiÃ³: > > Andres wrote: > >> Starting the image would give the error attached in the > >> screenshot. I tried moving the image to be in the same folder as the > >> VM with no luck. > > > > The *.source file is missing. Download the file from [1] and > > extract it where the VM is located. > > > > You can also use the prepackaged Installer for Windows (containing > > anything you need, so pharo shows up in the start menu) - see [2] > > to download the setup.exe > > > > > > Use this and tell us how it goes. > > Take care: your files with the *.image extension are still associated > > with the other VM that you installed. > > > > Bye > > Torsten > > > > BTW: If you are afraid of the traffic on the mailinglist just subscribe > > but set option to not get emails. Then you can browse the archive > > to read but still post questions. See [3] > > > > > > [1] http://pharo-project.org/download > > [2] > https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/22410/setup_pharo_0.0.0.3.exe > > [3] > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/pipermail/pharo-project/2009-June/009617.html -- GRATIS fÃ¼r alle GMX-Mitglieder: Die maxdome Movie-FLAT! Jetzt freischalten unter http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/maxdome01

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[Pharo-project] call for tester for
by StÃ©phane Ducasse June 12, 2009

June 12, 2009

Hi guys would be nice if some of u could test: http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=860&colspec=ID%20Type%20Sta… Thanks

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[Pharo-project] a plea for "save and quit"
by Oscar Nierstrasz June 12, 2009

June 12, 2009

Hi Folks, Is there any reason why "save and quit" is commented out of the world menu? It is what I want to do 90% of the time. Would be nice to have it back by default. - on TheWorldMenu>>buildWorldMenu "Build the menu that is put up when the screen-desktop is clicked on" | menu | ... self fillIn: menu from: { nil. ... "{'save and quit'. {self. #saveAndQuit}. 'save the current image on disk, and quit out of Squeak.'}." {'quit'. {self. #quitSession}. 'quit out of Squeak.'} }. ^ menu

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[Pharo-project] [update] #10335
by Marcus Denker June 11, 2009

June 11, 2009

#10335 ====== Issue 645: Project exportSegmentWithChangeSet:fileName:directory: calls: writeStackText:in:registerIn: Issue 642: Project enterAsActiveSubprojectWithin: calls: okayToEnterProject Issue 644: Project displayZoom: calls: playProjectTransitionFrom:to:entering: Issue 641: Debugger abandon: calls: controller Issue 646: Parser parse:class: calls: parseError Issue 702: check Preferences overrides from closure changes Issue 746: missing package for Closure and friends Issue 878: fixes for newparser parsability -- Marcus Denker - http://marcusdenker.de PLEIAD Lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile

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[Pharo-project] #IdentityIncludes: for FloatArray
by Cyrille Delaunay June 11, 2009

June 11, 2009

try to inspect: (FloatArray new:1)at: 1 put: 2.5 ; yourself and print: self identityIncludes: self anyOne It returns false. Is it a 'normal' comportment ?

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June 11, 2009

> "SpaceTally new printSpaceAnalysis: 1 on: 'space.txt'".

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[Pharo-project] Fwd: First try of Pharo
by Torsten Bergmann June 11, 2009

June 11, 2009

Andres wrote: > Starting the image would give the error attached in the > screenshot. I tried moving the image to be in the same folder as the > VM with no luck. The *.source file is missing. Download the file from [1] and extract it where the VM is located. You can also use the prepackaged Installer for Windows (containing anything you need, so pharo shows up in the start menu) - see [2] to download the setup.exe Use this and tell us how it goes. Take care: your files with the *.image extension are still associated with the other VM that you installed. Bye Torsten BTW: If you are afraid of the traffic on the mailinglist just subscribe but set option to not get emails. Then you can browse the archive to read but still post questions. See [3] [1] http://pharo-project.org/download [2] https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/22410/setup_pharo_0.0.0.3.exe [3] http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/pipermail/pharo-project/2009-June/009617.html -- GMX FreeDSL Komplettanschluss mit DSL 6.000 Flatrate und Telefonanschluss fÃ¼r nur 17,95 Euro/mtl.!* http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/dsl02

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[Pharo-project] [FIX] Issues 686+877
by Serge Stinckwich June 11, 2009

June 11, 2009

To integrate in Pharo : http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=686 http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=877 -- Serge Stinckwich UMI UMMISCO 209 (IRD/UPMC), Hanoi, Vietnam Smalltalkers do: [:it | All with: Class, (And love: it)] http://doesnotunderstand.org/

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