- Pharo-users - lists.pharo.org

if Pharo is key for you
by StÃ©phane Ducasse Jan. 18, 2015

Jan. 18, 2015

Hi guys if Pharo is key for you then you should ask yourself what you did for Pharo recently. Writing code, writing documentation helping closing bug entries, participating to the association, to the consortium... Pharo is not happening from spontaneous generation. Stef

4 6

Re: [Pharo-users] [Pharo-dev] InfoWorld on Redline Smalltalk
by Esteban A. Maringolo Jan. 17, 2015

Jan. 17, 2015

El ene 15, 2015 8:55 AM, "Sebastian Sastre" <sebastian(a)flowingconcept.com> escribiÃ³: > > >> On Jan 14, 2015, at 9:44 PM, Esteban A. Maringolo <emaringolo(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Shaking the hive can certainly have a positive outcome, but you can also get you bitten. :) > > > And whatâs the news on that? > > The world is full of people paralysed by fear. > > Scared people is not worth following (they are not going to invent any interesting future). > > The ones who dear to do different are way more interesting. > I totally agree with you. But the mentioned project was a viable option two years ago, when it was trying to get developer traction and the "runs on JVM" was a hyped feature (not to mention the bad experience almost everyone had with such things). Amber is, IMO, way more valuable and with a greater feature than Redline. And I never used any of them. I wouldn't do a PR campaign mentioning VW's Pollock UI, Pharo's Spec or any other abandoned project whatsoever. A different thing is a project of which you can expect to move at a slow pace, but uninterruptedly. Regards,

4 4

Seaside and JQuery/JQueryUI
by sergio_101 Jan. 17, 2015

Jan. 17, 2015

at one point, there was a section of seaside that demonstrated using jquery and jqueryui with seaside.. along with code examples. that was SUPER helpful. I can't seem to find that anywhere. does anyone know if it's still part of seaside? thanks!

3 3

Re: [Pharo-users] Manners on the list?
by Stephan Eggermont Jan. 17, 2015

Jan. 17, 2015

Hi Laura >It doesn't kind of feel right saying nothing when someone gives me >a rather lengthly answer, unless it was the tacit agreement. Feedback is appreciated. Thanks for asking. >So i'm facing questions whether or not to make a post, because i'm not sure which are the >right/usual manners for this particular mail-list form of communication. Every mailing list is slightly different. Some have many posts, some have little. Some are very focused, others less so. In general, the regulars will let you know if something doesn't fit well. You can see how that works in the pharo-dev list in the InfoWorld on Redline Smalltalk thread, where Marcus asks if he should create a pharo-talk mailing list. That was an indirect way to say that the discussion should probably move elsewhere. After repeating it and getting some support for it, the discussion started moving. >My questions boils down to : how/when to provide feedback? >If for example i ask a question and receive answers from three people. >Should i always answer back >...commenting whether if it worked or not? >...only if it didn't solve my problem or if i had something >useful for solving it to add? (like Stack Overflow) This is the list of an open source community. Open source thrives on appreciation. In SO, people can show appreciation by voting. The strict moderation makes it very difficult to create a community. You can see that in the meta site of SO. We have worldwide participants, so a hiatus of a day (or a weekend) in discussions is expected. We like feedback. Feedback motivates. >Should i answer back in a separate post to each of them or in a single post to all? >Are one-line smalltalk comments alright here or should i avoid them? If you can fit the response well in one post that is preferred, especially in longer discussions. Please cut down the quotations in your response to the relevant parts. One-line comments are fine. >Any other advice on manners is also welcome. A written manifest would be nice :) Most of Netnews Netiquette is still pretty useful. Cheers, Stephan Eggermont

1 0

Re: [Pharo-users] Could we keep Pharo-dev for Pharo-dev?
by Stephan Eggermont Jan. 16, 2015

Jan. 16, 2015

Blake wrote: >Looks like that SO question was re-opened. Maybe SO can be educated? Yes, but I'm not going to spend the time having a discussion on Meta each time a question should be reopened, especially as there are no signs of a solution. Stephan

1 0

Becoming proficient in Pharo
by nacho Jan. 16, 2015

Jan. 16, 2015

Hello, As I struggle, not without fun of course, to learn more about Pharo and its frameworks and idea came to my mind. We could put together some guidelines on how to become proficient in Pharo, and eventually come to be a power user and / or a developer. I read several of this recommendations on various list of other programming languages. Basically the idea is to have some sort of guide, with theoretical and practical stuff. For example: *Beginners.* Start by reading Pharo by Example for getting to know the system. On Agile development read XXXX book or article. On Object Oriented design and programming read this or that. For practice do this exercises from this book or site. For a background on Smalltalk read here or there Some stuff on algorithms. *Intermediate* Object Serialization read from here. The VM from here.. Building UIs Basic Frameworks Deep into Pharo Pharo for the Enterprise etc, etc, etc *Advanced* etc, etc, etc Like a road map to becoming a serious Pharo users and / or developer. I know this takes years but I think it would be very useful. Well at least for me. I sometimes get lost when I read things like serializing, marshalling, object memory, not to mention the internals of Pharo. Here is a link of something someone prepared for Haskell: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1012573/getting-started-with-haskell <http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1012573/getting-started-with-haskell> Just an idea, it will be collaborative. I volunteer to keep and maintain the list updated in a place where it will be available to anyone but of course can't contribute much besides doing that. Cheers Nacho ----- Nacho Smalltalker apprentice. Buenos Aires, Argentina. -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Becoming-proficient-in-Pharo-tp4799284.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

8 16

Pharo 3 error when loading Pharo Launcher
by nacho Jan. 16, 2015

Jan. 16, 2015

When I try to load Pharo Launcher from Metacello, I get the following error: The symbolic version #stable is EXPLICITY not defined in ConfigurationOfPharoLauncher for the current platform. I'm running Win 8.1 In my OSX machine works perfectly so I assume it has to be with Windows. best regards Nacho ----- Nacho Smalltalker apprentice. Buenos Aires, Argentina. -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-3-error-when-loading-Pharo-Launcher-tp4800079.h… Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

1 0

[ANN] A simple debugger for stepping though bytecodes.
by Andrei Chis Jan. 16, 2015

Jan. 16, 2015

Hi all, We've just made a simple debugger for stepping through bytecodes. It's still just the first version so a lot of things can still be improved. More info here: https://chisvasileandrei.wordpress.com/2015/01/15/a-bytecode-debugger/ Cheers, Andrei

6 9

passing json from seaside to javascript
by sergio_101 Jan. 16, 2015

Jan. 16, 2015

i am currently working on an app that uses a javascript library to render the state of an object inside seaside. i am trying to figure out the best way to transfer the state of object to javascript. the state of the machine changes via form inputs and ajax. i already have the code to convert the state of my object to json, so i am thinking i can do this one of two ways.. via ajax, inject the json code into a variable in a function that is fired off by ajax. i just am not sure how to inject this json string into the page where it would look like the contents of a variable. any ideas? or, i could make a component that just spits out the current state as a json string. this way, when the value of a form element changes, that value is sent over ajax to seaside, and seaside can answer back with the new state as a json string. i am just not sure how to implement this, either. any ideas? let me know if there is a better approach to this, also. thanks!

2 4

Could we keep Pharo-dev for Pharo-dev?
by stepharo Jan. 16, 2015

Jan. 16, 2015

Hi guys I will start to be picky about the mails to which I reply or even read. We should be more disciplined. Pharo-dev should be about Pharo-dev this is important for our concentration. I really like the other discussions but we should have them in Pharo-users. I think that it makes sense. Stef

9 10