Re: [Pharo-users] [Pharo-dev] InfoWorld on Redline Smalltalk
El ene 15, 2015 8:55 AM, "Sebastian Sastre" <sebastian@flowingconcept.com> escribió:
On Jan 14, 2015, at 9:44 PM, Esteban A. Maringolo <emaringolo@gmail.com>
wrote:
Shaking the hive can certainly have a positive outcome, but you can also
get you bitten. :)
And whatâs the news on that?
The world is full of people paralysed by fear.
Scared people is not worth following (they are not going to invent any interesting future).
The ones who dear to do different are way more interesting.
I totally agree with you. But the mentioned project was a viable option two years ago, when it was trying to get developer traction and the "runs on JVM" was a hyped feature (not to mention the bad experience almost everyone had with such things). Amber is, IMO, way more valuable and with a greater feature than Redline. And I never used any of them. I wouldn't do a PR campaign mentioning VW's Pollock UI, Pharo's Spec or any other abandoned project whatsoever. A different thing is a project of which you can expect to move at a slow pace, but uninterruptedly. Regards,
I donât know the entire context of the discussion (iâm not following Pharo-dev, where this came from apparently.) But I would like to point out that it is wrong to think of Spec as an abandoned project! Spec is here to stay, and hopefully for a very long time.
On Jan 15, 2015, at 09:08, Esteban A. Maringolo <emaringolo@gmail.com> wrote:
I wouldn't do a PR campaign mentioning VW's Pollock UI, Pharo's Spec or any other abandoned project whatsoever.
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Le 15/1/15 13:39, Johan Fabry a écrit :
I donât know the entire context of the discussion (iâm not following Pharo-dev, where this came from apparently.) But I would like to point out that it is wrong to think of Spec as an abandoned project! Spec is here to stay, and hopefully for a very long time.
On Jan 15, 2015, at 09:08, Esteban A. Maringolo <emaringolo@gmail.com <mailto:emaringolo@gmail.com>> wrote:
I wouldn't do a PR campaign mentioning VW's Pollock UI, Pharo's Spec or any other abandoned project whatsoever.
+1. Especially since we are in the period of the year where I'm much more important at planning budget and resources than anything else :)
I agree that Amber is important, given that client-side web development is the /fad du jour/. But having a Smalltalk on the JVM is also important if we want to penetrate the enterprise. JVM is the closest thing we have to a "standard" enterprise platform. Languages such as Scala and Groovy have had some measure of success on the JVM. I'd be happy if Smalltalk could achieve even this level of popularity! Generalissimo Esteban A. Maringolo wrote
El ene 15, 2015 8:55 AM, "Sebastian Sastre" <
sebastian@
> escribió:
On Jan 14, 2015, at 9:44 PM, Esteban A. Maringolo <
emaringolo@
> wrote:
Shaking the hive can certainly have a positive outcome, but you can also
get you bitten. :)
And whatâs the news on that?
The world is full of people paralysed by fear.
Scared people is not worth following (they are not going to invent any interesting future).
The ones who dear to do different are way more interesting.
I totally agree with you. But the mentioned project was a viable option two years ago, when it was trying to get developer traction and the "runs on JVM" was a hyped feature (not to mention the bad experience almost everyone had with such things).
Amber is, IMO, way more valuable and with a greater feature than Redline. And I never used any of them.
I wouldn't do a PR campaign mentioning VW's Pollock UI, Pharo's Spec or any other abandoned project whatsoever.
A different thing is a project of which you can expect to move at a slow pace, but uninterruptedly.
Regards,
-- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Re-Pharo-dev-InfoWorld-on-Redline-Smalltalk-tp4799686p... Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
If Redline is ready and good to build native (Java) Android apps with it, I'll be one of the first ones to try it. So I look forward to Redline 1.0 :) Esteban A. Maringolo 2015-01-17 13:46 GMT-03:00 horrido <horrido.hobbies@gmail.com>:
I agree that Amber is important, given that client-side web development is the /fad du jour/. But having a Smalltalk on the JVM is also important if we want to penetrate the enterprise. JVM is the closest thing we have to a "standard" enterprise platform.
Languages such as Scala and Groovy have had some measure of success on the JVM. I'd be happy if Smalltalk could achieve even this level of popularity!
Generalissimo
Esteban A. Maringolo wrote
El ene 15, 2015 8:55 AM, "Sebastian Sastre" <
sebastian@
> escribió:
On Jan 14, 2015, at 9:44 PM, Esteban A. Maringolo <
emaringolo@
> wrote:
Shaking the hive can certainly have a positive outcome, but you can also
get you bitten. :)
And whatâs the news on that?
The world is full of people paralysed by fear.
Scared people is not worth following (they are not going to invent any interesting future).
The ones who dear to do different are way more interesting.
I totally agree with you. But the mentioned project was a viable option two years ago, when it was trying to get developer traction and the "runs on JVM" was a hyped feature (not to mention the bad experience almost everyone had with such things).
Amber is, IMO, way more valuable and with a greater feature than Redline. And I never used any of them.
I wouldn't do a PR campaign mentioning VW's Pollock UI, Pharo's Spec or any other abandoned project whatsoever.
A different thing is a project of which you can expect to move at a slow pace, but uninterruptedly.
Regards,
-- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Re-Pharo-dev-InfoWorld-on-Redline-Smalltalk-tp4799686p... Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
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