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[Pharo-project] Hello all
by Brian Brown July 29, 2008

July 29, 2008

I just joined the list and wanted to say hello :) I'm looking forward to what this project promises to create! - Brian

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[Pharo-project] Last release & ScriptLoader
by Alexandre Bergel July 29, 2008

July 29, 2008

The last release does not have the last version of ScriptLoader loaded. I think it is good to have always the last version of "infrastructural" packages in the image, like ScriptLoader. Cheers, Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

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[Pharo-project] About etoy removal
by StÃ©phane Ducasse July 29, 2008

July 29, 2008

Hi gary do you have some changesets for us :) Stef

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[Pharo-project] having apple-W to close the windows.
by StÃ©phane Ducasse July 29, 2008

July 29, 2008

May be we should have a look at one of the key mapper packages and provide a simple mapping. to close window for example. Stef

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[Pharo-project] sending messages through inspector menus
by cdrick July 27, 2008

July 27, 2008

Hi Could we have a way to send message to objects in the inspectors through the mouse menu. The way to do now is to access the object and them write message and accept them I find that could be useful to authorize some messages to be directly accessible. For instance we have an history object having a collection inst var to store its commands. To empty it we need to assign an empty collection to the var. But if accessible in the menu, it will be easier to do and feel more secure. The history object (parent) could have authorized the emptyCollection message. Maybe we could use pragma for that. Any tips or directions ? I think I'll try on OBTools. CÃ©drick

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[Pharo-project] Improving the GUI
by Adrian Lienhard July 26, 2008

July 26, 2008

Hi, I'd like to get your opinion about how we could improve the GUI. I believe that even a few small changes will make a significant difference, especially for new people that come to Pharo. Just the cleaned up world menu is such a relief... Here a three suggestions: Better fonts ---------------- I think the current code font is not a good one and it is too small (for today's screen resolutions). I like for example the font used in TextMate, which is Monaco 12, a monotype font. The page http://www.lowing.org/fonts/ gives some samples for good code fonts. I've tried out the other fonts in the Pharo image like the BitstreamVeraSansMono but they are all very blurry. Just not good enough. I'm not a font expert, so I don't know what the options for a better font are. Better menus ------------------------------- Current problems: - bad organization menus only work when you have learned where something is located - duplicated entries e.g., Appearance is both in the top level world menu and in the submenu Help - useless entries e.g., set font, set style etc. in the context menu are useless since code is never styled - defective entries: e.g., "Make project link" in the context menu does not work Larger windows ------------------------------- The default size of windows is usually too small. Often, after opening a window I have to resize it. For example the hierarchy browser shows only the 5 first classes. Any other ideas what could be improved in the short term? I'm looking for stuff that we can do now without having to rewrite the whole system... Cheers, Adrian ___________________ http://www.adrian-lienhard.ch/

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Re: [Pharo-project] Browser and shortcut(s)
by Bill Schwab July 25, 2008

July 25, 2008

Keyboard navigation would be great, but (unless I am missing something) tab already has a full calendar. As crazy as all the control/shift-tab, control-enter behavior might be, it's what users expect for moving between fields. Note the exceptions for multi-line edit fields, where tab and enter are of interest to the field itself (hence control-, etc.). I recommend grabbing a copy of Dolphin CE to see how its keyboard shortcuts work. Bill Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D. University of Florida Department of Anesthesiology PO Box 100254 Gainesville, FL 32610-0254 Email: bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu Tel: (352) 846-1285 FAX: (352) 392-7029 >>> damien.cassou(a)gmail.com 07/24/08 12:26 AM >>> On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 5:39 PM, cdrick <cdrick65(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, as here everithing seems possible, Ihave three points to discuss > > 1) would people like to have shortcut for accessing the different pane > of the browser ? Here is a mapping proposal: > > Esc to enter leave the mercury panel > > F1 Category/Package > F2 Classes > F3 method categories > F4 methods > ... > tab to change the swith (instances ? class for instance) > > Enter to go to the code pane. > > What do you think ? Not sure easily feasible though It would be a first interesting step. Please try. -- Damien Cassou Peter von der AhÃ©: Â«I'm beginning to see why Gilad wished us good luckÂ». (http://blogs.sun.com/ahe/entry/override_snafu)

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[Pharo-project] Browser and shortcut(s)
by cdrick July 25, 2008

July 25, 2008

Hi, as here everithing seems possible, Ihave three points to discuss 1) would people like to have shortcut for accessing the different pane of the browser ? Here is a mapping proposal: Esc to enter leave the mercury panel F1 Category/Package F2 Classes F3 method categories F4 methods ... tab to change the swith (instances ? class for instance) Enter to go to the code pane. What do you think ? Not sure easily feasible though 2) more simple What about having "browse class" (alt + shift + b) and "browse protocol" for an object (alt+shift+p) creates a link to a project but... 3) I think autoparens should go away and shiftEnclose:promoted ParagraphEditor>>shiftEnclose: These are far better, as it allows to remove properly enclosing characters. The only problem Ihad with that is it doesn't work properlyon AZERTY keybords (I had to make some small changes). But maybe Safaraa willreplace ParagraphEditor so... CÃ©drick

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July 25, 2008

Begin forwarded message: > From: David RÃ¶thlisberger <squeak(a)webcitas.ch> > Date: July 21, 2008 1:44:23 PM CEDT > To: OmniBrowser developers <ob-dev(a)wiresong.ca> > Subject: Re: Feedback > Reply-To: OmniBrowser developers <ob-dev(a)wiresong.ca> > > > >> could you publish a new complete list of packages and their versions? > > here it is: > > > Installer wiresong > project: 'ob'; > install: 'OmniBrowser-dr.413'; > install: 'OB-Morphic-dr.49'; > install: 'OB-Standard-dr.344'; > install: 'OB-Enhancements-dr.191'; > install: 'OB-Refactory-lr.85'. > > > David > _______________________________________________ > ob-dev mailing list > ob-dev(a)wiresong.ca > http://mail.wiresong.ca/mailman/listinfo/ob-dev >

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[Pharo-project] Improving the GUI
by Bill Schwab July 25, 2008

July 25, 2008

CÃ©drick, There is at least use for halos with browsers: figuring out how they were made. At times, I have resorted to see the types of morphs that were ignoring a customization I was trying to enforce. I would not suppress halos unless we have a tool along the lines of the following: http://www.idb.me.uk/idbsnoop.html Of course, one could compromise by toggling halos, perhaps based on the type of system window. Note that since SystemWindow is quite generic, we would either need to add sub-classes, or perhaps better some state to allow the test to work. Does that make any sense? Bill ========================== cdrick cdrick65 at gmail.com >> - do we really need those window controls, coming up with ctrl-left >> mouse? (rotate etc? halos?) > > Yes I always wanted to disable them. >> I find there are of no use for browsers... What I'd like instead of bringing halo is: -moving the browser (middle button), -change the size of the browser (bottom right expand) (CTRL-middle button) CÃ©drick Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D. University of Florida Department of Anesthesiology PO Box 100254 Gainesville, FL 32610-0254 Email: bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu Tel: (352) 846-1285 FAX: (352) 392-7029

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