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Re: [Pharo-project] {Spam?} Names for the pharo scripting syntax
by Bill Schwab Jan. 20, 2009

Jan. 20, 2009

Stef, My first reaction is "why is it not Smalltalk?" Not the name, but the language itself. Is there something I missed/should read to understand it? Bill Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D. University of Florida Department of Anesthesiology PO Box 100254 Gainesville, FL 32610-0254 Email: bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu Tel: (352) 273-6785 FAX: (352) 392-7029 >>> stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr 01/19/09 4:16 PM >>> hi guys gwenael is polishing the scripting syntax of pharo (was called in another world sapphir). Now we are looking for a new for such a syntax. If you have ideas please let us know. Ideally we would like to have a connection with the sea/nature (peace and love sarcasm). I was thinking about zephir, thunder, storm, wave, wale, orcal, Maikai to be well, fine, in a state of goodness in hawaian MAILA : mÄ*ila (stative) to be clear, as of the sea atoll, maibai >> - Similar words used to describe coastlines are nice as well: >> "Tombolo" (my favorite and not a common word), "Lagoon", "Cover", >> "Cliff" and "Bay". from lukas I like atoll :) since faro is an atoll But I like Tombolo too. stef _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

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[Pharo-project] call for help for test
by StÃ©phane Ducasse Jan. 20, 2009

Jan. 20, 2009

Hi all we have some work to do about tests - long - interactive .... If you can/want help please let me know. I see two kinds of actions - having a look at Keith Unit extensions to see how we can fix the current situation - fixing current situation Stef

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Re: [Pharo-project] {Spam?} Names for the pharo scripting syntax
by Bill Schwab Jan. 20, 2009

Jan. 20, 2009

Damien, Stef, You guys are smart - ok, so that's an understatement. If you say we need a scripting language, we need one. However, I urge you to consider a chain of doits, maybe some cascades thrown in, and facades involving class methods. It seems that would provide a LOT of functionality if done with a mix of care, pragmatism, and directed laziness. If you can tell us about (or point us to existing descriptions of) the goals, I will gladly take a look with an eye toward saving you some work. Bill Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D. University of Florida Department of Anesthesiology PO Box 100254 Gainesville, FL 32610-0254 Email: bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu Tel: (352) 273-6785 FAX: (352) 392-7029 >>> damien.pollet(a)gmail.com 01/19/09 7:10 PM >>> On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 00:47, Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> My first reaction is "why is it not Smalltalk?" Not the name, but the language itself. Is there something I missed/should read to understand it? > > +1 , i don't understand too, what makes 'scripting' in smalltalk too > different than writing in smalltalk :) Smalltalk only has syntax for method bodies, it lacks a (practical) one for declaring packages/classes/categories/method declarations in a single block of text. -- Damien Pollet type less, do more [ | ] http://people.untyped.org/damien.pollet _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

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[Pharo-project] [ANN] 10209 Watchit integration
by StÃ©phane Ducasse Jan. 19, 2009

Jan. 19, 2009

Thanks for watchit. Now it is nicely integrated in pharo. Stef

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[Pharo-project] Names for the pharo scripting syntax
by StÃ©phane Ducasse Jan. 19, 2009

Jan. 19, 2009

hi guys gwenael is polishing the scripting syntax of pharo (was called in another world sapphir). Now we are looking for a new for such a syntax. If you have ideas please let us know. Ideally we would like to have a connection with the sea/nature (peace and love sarcasm). I was thinking about zephir, thunder, storm, wave, wale, orcal, Maikai to be well, fine, in a state of goodness in hawaian MAILA : mÄÊ»ila (stative) to be clear, as of the sea atoll, maibai >> - Similar words used to describe coastlines are nice as well: >> "Tombolo" (my favorite and not a common word), "Lagoon", "Cover", >> "Cliff" and "Bay". from lukas I like atoll :) since faro is an atoll But I like Tombolo too. stef

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[Pharo-project] mac carbon vm 3.8.21beta1U ships
by John M McIntosh Jan. 19, 2009

Jan. 19, 2009

Based on feedback I've promoted 3.8.21beta1U to production, it can be found via links from http://smalltalkconsulting.com/squeak.html If someone can update ftp.squeak.org that would be helpful. Because of the following issues anyone using 3.8.20beta1U should upgrade. info.plist change: To turn on the mmap file mapping for the image loading, which can improve startup times alter the SqueakUseFileMappedMMAP setting to TRUE from the default value of false. Note the risk of turning this one appears to affect image saving where you experience: (a) lockups writing to images on NFS mounts (b) occasionally an image save to the local hard disk can fail. -- = = = ======================================================================== John M. McIntosh <johnmci(a)smalltalkconsulting.com> Corporate Smalltalk Consulting Ltd. http://www.smalltalkconsulting.com = = = ========================================================================

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[Pharo-project] Failed to write image file (disk full?)
by Lukas Renggli Jan. 19, 2009

Jan. 19, 2009

At seemingly random times I get the error message "Failed to write image file (disk full?)" when saving an image. My disk is certainly not full, there are over 200 GB free. It does not seem to be directly related to Pharo, it happens randomly with the latest Pharo images, with early Pharo images and even 3.9 images. The annoying thing is that the image on the disk ends up cropped to about 5 MB. Of course such a cropped image cannot be opened anymore. As a workaround I found that if I save the image while the VM is still open under a new name it works again. I suspect that this is a problem of the Mac VM I am using? I was using 3.8.20beta1U for a while now, but now I am back at 3.8.19beta2U. However the exactly same problem happens on that version of the VM. I think I have to go further back and try 3.8.18beta4U. I know that Philippe encounters these random problems as well. Any ideas? Any other experience reports? Cheers, Lukas -- Lukas Renggli http://www.lukas-renggli.ch

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[Pharo-project] Add a new package with OB
by Alexandre Bergel Jan. 19, 2009

Jan. 19, 2009

Hi David and others, I created a new package using the SuperOB browser. I added few classes in it. The package does not appear at the top of the package list. I was expecting my package to be listed under 'Recently Modified'. do I miss something? Cheers, Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

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[Pharo-project] Extracting methods to traits
by Alexandre Bergel Jan. 17, 2009

Jan. 17, 2009

Dear List, A method may be moved to a trait by pressing Cmd-e (or selecting the menu entry 'move method into a new trait'). This version contains an improvement of TOBCmdMoveToTrait. Before doing the refactoring, the method is checked first whether some instance variables are accessed. In that case, a popup window offers few options. A list of possible trait names are also offered to select the trait the method should be moved in. I think that if you execute any load*OB method, you will get this. Cheers, Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

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[Pharo-project] {Spam?} Re: AlignementMorphBob1 removed
by Bill Schwab Jan. 17, 2009

Jan. 17, 2009

Stef, There is nothing to stop us and others from having fun on top of a clean system with a user interface that can meet the expectations of users, paying and otherwise. The cleanup is long overdue and very much starting to show. Bill Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D. University of Florida Department of Anesthesiology PO Box 100254 Gainesville, FL 32610-0254 Email: bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu Tel: (352) 273-6785 FAX: (352) 392-7029 >>> stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr 1/15/2009 3:47:19 PM >>> :) Jannik understood today why we forked :) and why we were really thinking that people are not serious when they want to keep squeak as it was. We cannot attract all the smart guys we want with a system like that. So we are improving :) This is sad because there are so much fun stuff. But fun does not mean shitty. So we will rebuild them. I hope that people will have fun building cool new fun tools and apps in Pharo. The isKindOf: plague is also terrrrrrrible. I learned about the ownerThatIsA: today (arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh). Morphic is the proof that graph traversal as programming paradigm is doomed (cf. K. Lieberherr moto - I think all his queries are doomed too -ok you may get something more flexible, dynamic but at which price and for which real use case...) >> remove AlignmentMorphBob1 > > YES, a dream come true ;-) > > michael I'm sad but the next on my pirate boat board "planche" are - BookMorph and friends -- don't we like class depending on their subclasses - yeah. - Project (we will have to pay a bit more attention) Once etoy is finally removed, will restart to work on that and these freaks are out we will really be on a cleaner world. Stef _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

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