Re: [Pharo-project] {Spam?} Names for the pharo scripting syntax
Stef, My first reaction is "why is it not Smalltalk?" Not the name, but the language itself. Is there something I missed/should read to understand it? Bill Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D. University of Florida Department of Anesthesiology PO Box 100254 Gainesville, FL 32610-0254 Email: bschwab@anest.ufl.edu Tel: (352) 273-6785 FAX: (352) 392-7029
stephane.ducasse@inria.fr 01/19/09 4:16 PM >>> hi guys
gwenael is polishing the scripting syntax of pharo (was called in another world sapphir). Now we are looking for a new for such a syntax. If you have ideas please let us know. Ideally we would like to have a connection with the sea/nature (peace and love sarcasm). I was thinking about zephir, thunder, storm, wave, wale, orcal, Maikai to be well, fine, in a state of goodness in hawaian MAILA : mÄ*ila (stative) to be clear, as of the sea atoll, maibai
- Similar words used to describe coastlines are nice as well: "Tombolo" (my favorite and not a common word), "Lagoon", "Cover", "Cliff" and "Bay".
from lukas I like atoll :) since faro is an atoll But I like Tombolo too. stef _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
2009/1/20 Bill Schwab <BSchwab@anest.ufl.edu>:
Stef,
My first reaction is "why is it not Smalltalk?" Not the name, but the language itself. Is there something I missed/should read to understand it?
+1 , i don't understand too, what makes 'scripting' in smalltalk too different than writing in smalltalk :)
Bill
Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D. University of Florida Department of Anesthesiology PO Box 100254 Gainesville, FL 32610-0254
Email: bschwab@anest.ufl.edu Tel: (352) 273-6785 FAX: (352) 392-7029
stephane.ducasse@inria.fr 01/19/09 4:16 PM >>> hi guys
gwenael is polishing the scripting syntax of pharo (was called in another world sapphir). Now we are looking for a new for such a syntax. If you have ideas please let us know. Ideally we would like to have a connection with the sea/nature (peace and love sarcasm).
I was thinking about zephir, thunder, storm, wave, wale, orcal, Maikai to be well, fine, in a state of goodness in hawaian MAILA : mÄ*ila (stative) to be clear, as of the sea atoll, maibai
- Similar words used to describe coastlines are nice as well: "Tombolo" (my favorite and not a common word), "Lagoon", "Cover", "Cliff" and "Bay".
from lukas
I like atoll :) since faro is an atoll But I like Tombolo too.
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On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 00:47, Igor Stasenko <siguctua@gmail.com> wrote:
My first reaction is "why is it not Smalltalk?" Not the name, but the language itself. Is there something I missed/should read to understand it?
+1 , i don't understand too, what makes 'scripting' in smalltalk too different than writing in smalltalk :)
Smalltalk only has syntax for method bodies, it lacks a (practical) one for declaring packages/classes/categories/method declarations in a single block of text. -- Damien Pollet type less, do more [ | ] http://people.untyped.org/damien.pollet
2009/1/20 Damien Pollet <damien.pollet@gmail.com>
On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 00:47, Igor Stasenko <siguctua@gmail.com> wrote:
My first reaction is "why is it not Smalltalk?" Not the name, but the language itself. Is there something I missed/should read to understand it?
+1 , i don't understand too, what makes 'scripting' in smalltalk too different than writing in smalltalk :)
Smalltalk only has syntax for method bodies, it lacks a (practical) one for declaring packages/classes/categories/method declarations in a single block of text.
Ok, you add some convenience methods in order to declare packages/classes/ ... more easily, but the syntax is still the same ? -- Serge Stinckwich IRD - UR 079 Geodes, MSI Team, Hanoi, Vietnam Smalltalkers do: [:it | All with: Class, (And love: it)] http://doesnotunderstand.org/
2009/1/20 Serge Stinckwich <serge.stinckwich@doesnotunderstand.org>:
2009/1/20 Damien Pollet <damien.pollet@gmail.com>
On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 00:47, Igor Stasenko <siguctua@gmail.com> wrote:
My first reaction is "why is it not Smalltalk?" Not the name, but the language itself. Is there something I missed/should read to understand it?
+1 , i don't understand too, what makes 'scripting' in smalltalk too different than writing in smalltalk :)
Smalltalk only has syntax for method bodies, it lacks a (practical) one for declaring packages/classes/categories/method declarations in a single block of text.
Ok, you add some convenience methods in order to declare packages/classes/ ... more easily, but the syntax is still the same ?
what is surprising in this, that i first found smalltalk when was looking for a simple yet powerful dynamic language to use for scripting. And now, i hear that its not suited well for scripting..
-- Serge Stinckwich IRD - UR 079 Geodes, MSI Team, Hanoi, Vietnam Smalltalkers do: [:it | All with: Class, (And love: it)] http://doesnotunderstand.org/
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-- Best regards, Igor Stasenko AKA sig.
We want a real scripting syntax not with !! I will not reopen the story: wait and see. This is since two years that we have that nearly ready but never suceeded to release it. On Jan 19, 2009, at 11:23 PM, Bill Schwab wrote:
Stef,
My first reaction is "why is it not Smalltalk?" Not the name, but the language itself. Is there something I missed/should read to understand it?
Bill
Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D. University of Florida Department of Anesthesiology PO Box 100254 Gainesville, FL 32610-0254
Email: bschwab@anest.ufl.edu Tel: (352) 273-6785 FAX: (352) 392-7029
stephane.ducasse@inria.fr 01/19/09 4:16 PM >>> hi guys
gwenael is polishing the scripting syntax of pharo (was called in another world sapphir). Now we are looking for a new for such a syntax. If you have ideas please let us know. Ideally we would like to have a connection with the sea/nature (peace and love sarcasm).
I was thinking about zephir, thunder, storm, wave, wale, orcal, Maikai to be well, fine, in a state of goodness in hawaian MAILA : mÄ*ila (stative) to be clear, as of the sea atoll, maibai
- Similar words used to describe coastlines are nice as well: "Tombolo" (my favorite and not a common word), "Lagoon", "Cover", "Cliff" and "Bay".
from lukas
I like atoll :) since faro is an atoll But I like Tombolo too.
stef _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
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Hi guys, sorry to be blunt but I will ***NOT*** discuss this topic on this list. I'm tired. We are a couple that want to write ruby-like script in pharo with a smalltalk syntax but we want something else that !! as delimiter. So we have a first version and we will use it for our scripting wishes. We will learn from it and may be adpat it a bit in the future but first we will use it and not discuss endlessly. Stef I do not want to write but you can: 'From Pharo0.1 of 16 May 2008 [Latest update: #10201] on 30 December 2008 at 7:27:25 pm'! "Change Set: M7256-SmallDictionary-capacity-Test Date: 30 December 2008 Author: nice This is a non regression test for http://bugs.squeak.org/view.php?id=7256 "! TestCase subclass: #SmallDictionaryTest instanceVariableNames: '' classVariableNames: '' poolDictionaries: '' category: 'CollectionsTests-Unordered'! !SmallDictionaryTest methodsFor: 'testing' stamp: 'nice 12/30/2008 19:26'! testCapacity "this is a non regression test for http://bugs.squeak.org/view.php?id=7256 " self shouldnt: [SmallDictionary new capacity] raise: Error! ! !SmallDictionaryTest reorganize! ('testing' testCapacity) ! On Jan 19, 2009, at 11:23 PM, Bill Schwab wrote:
Stef,
My first reaction is "why is it not Smalltalk?" Not the name, but the language itself. Is there something I missed/should read to understand it?
Bill
Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D. University of Florida Department of Anesthesiology PO Box 100254 Gainesville, FL 32610-0254
Email: bschwab@anest.ufl.edu Tel: (352) 273-6785 FAX: (352) 392-7029
stephane.ducasse@inria.fr 01/19/09 4:16 PM >>> hi guys
gwenael is polishing the scripting syntax of pharo (was called in another world sapphir). Now we are looking for a new for such a syntax. If you have ideas please let us know. Ideally we would like to have a connection with the sea/nature (peace and love sarcasm).
I was thinking about zephir, thunder, storm, wave, wale, orcal, Maikai to be well, fine, in a state of goodness in hawaian MAILA : mÄ*ila (stative) to be clear, as of the sea atoll, maibai
- Similar words used to describe coastlines are nice as well: "Tombolo" (my favorite and not a common word), "Lagoon", "Cover", "Cliff" and "Bay".
from lukas
I like atoll :) since faro is an atoll But I like Tombolo too.
stef _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
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+1 I would pick something that meant free (liberated) or light weight. I can't think of many at the moment but how about wisp or crest (of a wave) Mike On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 7:48 AM, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr> wrote:
We want a real scripting syntax not with !! I will not reopen the story: wait and see. This is since two years that we have that nearly ready but never suceeded to release it.
On Jan 19, 2009, at 11:23 PM, Bill Schwab wrote:
Stef,
My first reaction is "why is it not Smalltalk?" Not the name, but the language itself. Is there something I missed/should read to understand it?
Bill
Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D. University of Florida Department of Anesthesiology PO Box 100254 Gainesville, FL 32610-0254
Email: bschwab@anest.ufl.edu Tel: (352) 273-6785 FAX: (352) 392-7029
stephane.ducasse@inria.fr 01/19/09 4:16 PM >>> hi guys
gwenael is polishing the scripting syntax of pharo (was called in another world sapphir). Now we are looking for a new for such a syntax. If you have ideas please let us know. Ideally we would like to have a connection with the sea/nature (peace and love sarcasm).
I was thinking about zephir, thunder, storm, wave, wale, orcal, Maikai to be well, fine, in a state of goodness in hawaian MAILA : mÄ*ila (stative) to be clear, as of the sea atoll, maibai
- Similar words used to describe coastlines are nice as well: "Tombolo" (my favorite and not a common word), "Lagoon", "Cover", "Cliff" and "Bay".
from lukas
I like atoll :) since faro is an atoll But I like Tombolo too.
stef _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
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On Jan 20, 2009, at 9:06 AM, Michael Roberts wrote:
+1 I would pick something that meant free (liberated) or light weight. I can't think of many at the moment but how about wisp or crest (of a wave)
crest is nice :) Central Resistant Emancipating Smalltalk French: écume English: foam - froth - scum - surf Tombolo looks strange in french because of tombola = lottery
Mike
On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 7:48 AM, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr> wrote:
We want a real scripting syntax not with !! I will not reopen the story: wait and see. This is since two years that we have that nearly ready but never suceeded to release it.
On Jan 19, 2009, at 11:23 PM, Bill Schwab wrote:
Stef,
My first reaction is "why is it not Smalltalk?" Not the name, but the language itself. Is there something I missed/should read to understand it?
Bill
Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D. University of Florida Department of Anesthesiology PO Box 100254 Gainesville, FL 32610-0254
Email: bschwab@anest.ufl.edu Tel: (352) 273-6785 FAX: (352) 392-7029
stephane.ducasse@inria.fr 01/19/09 4:16 PM >>> hi guys
gwenael is polishing the scripting syntax of pharo (was called in another world sapphir). Now we are looking for a new for such a syntax. If you have ideas please let us know. Ideally we would like to have a connection with the sea/nature (peace and love sarcasm).
I was thinking about zephir, thunder, storm, wave, wale, orcal, Maikai to be well, fine, in a state of goodness in hawaian MAILA : mÄ*ila (stative) to be clear, as of the sea atoll, maibai
- Similar words used to describe coastlines are nice as well: "Tombolo" (my favorite and not a common word), "Lagoon", "Cover", "Cliff" and "Bay".
from lukas
I like atoll :) since faro is an atoll But I like Tombolo too.
stef _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
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I would pick something that meant free (liberated) or light weight. I can't think of many at the moment but how about wisp or crest (of a wave)
crest is nice :) Central Resistant Emancipating Smalltalk
French: écume
I like crest and écume Alexandre
Mike
On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 7:48 AM, Stéphane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse@inria.fr> wrote:
We want a real scripting syntax not with !! I will not reopen the story: wait and see. This is since two years that we have that nearly ready but never suceeded to release it.
On Jan 19, 2009, at 11:23 PM, Bill Schwab wrote:
Stef,
My first reaction is "why is it not Smalltalk?" Not the name, but the language itself. Is there something I missed/should read to understand it?
Bill
Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D. University of Florida Department of Anesthesiology PO Box 100254 Gainesville, FL 32610-0254
Email: bschwab@anest.ufl.edu Tel: (352) 273-6785 FAX: (352) 392-7029
stephane.ducasse@inria.fr 01/19/09 4:16 PM >>> hi guys
gwenael is polishing the scripting syntax of pharo (was called in another world sapphir). Now we are looking for a new for such a syntax. If you have ideas please let us know. Ideally we would like to have a connection with the sea/nature (peace and love sarcasm).
I was thinking about zephir, thunder, storm, wave, wale, orcal, Maikai to be well, fine, in a state of goodness in hawaian MAILA : mÄ*ila (stative) to be clear, as of the sea atoll, maibai
- Similar words used to describe coastlines are nice as well: "Tombolo" (my favorite and not a common word), "Lagoon", "Cover", "Cliff" and "Bay".
from lukas
I like atoll :) since faro is an atoll But I like Tombolo too.
stef _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project
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