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[Pharo-project] Concerning issue #264
by Igor Stasenko Feb. 9, 2009

Feb. 9, 2009

Hi Markus, i have some comments about morphs :) To my personal feel, a drop shadow feature (and all what is connected with it) is quite controversial, i don't think its worth promoting hasDropShadow shadowOffset to ivars. Instead, i think its worth demoting these ones to a void! :) Can anyone tell me why morph (and moreover - canvas) should be aware of a shadows effect? And what if i want a glow effect instead? Will you extend/expand both morphs/canvas protocol to support it too? Will you sacrifice ivars for it? :) What if tomorrow i want another myCoolSpecialEffect to be there? Will you force a Morph and Canvas be aware of that? I think no. I think all special effects should be a) removed b) reintroduced using different means. No Morph (abstract class) should be aware of any special effects, like it currently hardcoded in #fullDrawOn: self hasDropShadow ifTrue: [self drawDropShadowOn: aCanvas]. (self hasRolloverBorder and: [(aCanvas seesNothingOutside: self bounds) not]) ifTrue: [self drawRolloverBorderOn: aCanvas]. i think such code is candidate for removal. Instead, if we need to, we could simply put: self drawSpecialEffectsOn: aCanvas. -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko AKA sig.

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[Pharo-project] [update] #10231
by Marcus Denker Feb. 9, 2009

Feb. 9, 2009

10231 ==== Small Etoy cleanup Class removed: Player Methods removed: SmallInteger #uniqueNameForReference PasteUpMorph #printScriptSummary SmartRefStream #restoreClassInstVars ScriptLoader #cleanUpEtoys Presenter #goButtonState: #reportPlayersAndScripts #startRunningScripts #startRunningScriptsFrom: #uniclassesAndCounts -- Marcus Denker -- denker(a)iam.unibe.ch http://www.iam.unibe.ch/~denker

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[Pharo-project] Fwd: warnIfNoSourcesFile doesn't work as desired
by StÃ©phane Ducasse Feb. 9, 2009

Feb. 9, 2009

> Gwenael > > can you look at http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=512&colspec=ID%20Type%20Sta… > > > Issue 512: warnIfNoSourcesFile doesn't work as desired > â¹ Prev 164 of 164 > 1 person starred this issue and may be notified of changes. Back > to list > Status: New > Owner: ---- > > > Add a comment and make changes below > > Reported by jmmcintosh, Today (2 hours ago) > > If you have the case where the sources file is not readable, when > the opensource file logic runs it > first attempts to find the file by reading the directory, it does > see the file name, but that is no guarantee the file is readable. > Then it attempts to open the file read only, this fails but causes > the FileDoesNotExistException to run that presents you with a list > of file names & cancel. > > However if you *had* warnIfNoSourcesFile set to false, now you are > being hassled with a prompt > when in fact you've said, no I don't want warnings if the source > file isn't there or unreadable. > > Stef > > > > > > >

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Re: [Pharo-project] Call for UI gripes
by Bill Schwab Feb. 9, 2009

Feb. 9, 2009

Damien, The pieces for themes are certainly present. Maybe we can excavate to find a Win98 SE box that still runs and take some notes. IIRC, there is a skin manager/loader for Squeak, and some of the skins it loaded were fairly tame. Depending on licensing, a simple member of that collection might be a good choice to copy to create a theme?? I am not suggesting that we ditch Polymorph, only that we might plagiarize some icons for a theme. I threw my speed comment out because Gary _did_ ask, and it is hard to tell how much of the hit is in Polymorph and how much is in OB. One older Pharo image that I use has some quirks that could be fixed by making some morphs ignore mouse interactions. It is probably my problem in this case, but I wonder how much of the IDE's lack of snappiness lurks in drawing more than is needed. Sig probably went a long way toward isolating that today. It's not really bad, I just think it should be quicker than it is. It is also true that I care a lot more about the speed available to my end users than I do about my IDE - at least to a point. Bill Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D. University of Florida Department of Anesthesiology PO Box 100254 Gainesville, FL 32610-0254 Email: bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu Tel: (352) 273-6785 FAX: (352) 392-7029 >>> damien.pollet(a)gmail.com 02/08/09 8:52 AM >>> On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 17:58, Bill Schwab <BSchwab(a)anest.ufl.edu> wrote: > I suppose I could suggest replacing some of the button bars with more compact iconic toolbars. Things like debugging over, into, etc. lend themselves well to that. The world menu will not make much sense if we ever get one window per shell. it was probably already said, but could the other buttons in the browser use the squarish buttons from the task bar rather than the current rounded ones that waste a bit of space ? > The biggest concern I have right now is speed. I'm not saying Pharo is too slow; I'm simply admitting that I do not know whether it is fast enough for some of the things I want to do. Agreed. Actually I'm wondering if a very sleek minimalistic theme would be nice* flat colors, simple lines, very limited complicated stuff like gradients or shaders* provided the typography, widget spacing, and color choices are done with taste, I think it can look quite nice, and would even be more usable than a more flashy theme. -- Damien Pollet type less, do more [ | ] http://people.untyped.org/damien.pollet _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

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[Pharo-project] Fwd: [ANN] update 10230
by StÃ©phane Ducasse Feb. 8, 2009

Feb. 8, 2009

> > > 10230 > Issue 506: fix: remove #baseUniclass > Issue 508: fix: clean StandardScriptingSystem more > Issue 507: remove #setNumericValue: > > stopping for now :) > > Stef > > >

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[Pharo-project] [ANN] 10229 Network reorganization
by StÃ©phane Ducasse Feb. 8, 2009

Feb. 8, 2009

Hi we harvested the network reorganization of mike (with MCConfig is was much easier than expected). So mike can you tell us if this is ok from your point of view. Stef and Marcus

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[Pharo-project] Presentation
by Alexandre Bergel Feb. 8, 2009

Feb. 8, 2009

Dear List, I made up few slides about Pharo. The goal is to give in less than 30 minutes the essence of Pharo. Please, shot at me, I like that :-) I provide the .keynote upon request. Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

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[Pharo-project] About the download page
by HernÃ¡n Morales Durand Feb. 8, 2009

Feb. 8, 2009

Let's suppose I'm a first visitor reading this page: http://code.google.com/p/pharo/wiki/Downloads?tm=2 " ... A link is given below to get the image ... " There are various links below, specifically what is that link? (Suggestion: anchor the link word) " ... You can either upgrade your image ... " Any hint or link explaining how? " ... The virtual machine may be downloaded from ... " Suggestion: " ... The virtual machine [for the X Operating System] may be downloaded from ... " and then "The virtual machine [for the Y Operating System] may be downloaded from ... " " ... The lastest VM available ... " " ... The latest VM available ... " (typo) " Pharo files are still hosted at the Pharo INRIA project site. " >From an user point of view I don't know why that would be relevant. " Please head over to http://gforge.inria.fr/frs/?group_id=1299 " To get the image ? the image and VM ? to choose downloading options ? (what I mean is that isn't clear the "image" reference at the beggining of page refers to this link or the "specific files" link below). " Here are some links to specific files: Pharo Core: Pharo0.1Core-10204.zip " Suggestion: " If you want to do/have/use X, you can download Pharo Core... " " If you want to do/have/use Y, you can download Pharo Developer... " etc. Final notes: -There is no "Installation instructions" guidelines or link, this commonly is: "When download is completed, uncompress.... get a mysterious .sources file, and then copy the .exe there......" -Still remain assumptions for a first visitor, like he already knows what is an image, a virtual machine. Many first visitors are outsiders and they download first, read later (show me don't tell me). My suggestion is to provide a link/page in key words "image", "virtual machine", I guess there are many sites where this is explained easily; and a reference link, to the SqueakByExample book for example, for people who wants to read more. Just a couple of suggestions. Cheers HernÃ¡n

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Feb. 8, 2009

10227 Some Etoy cleaning - ActorState removal - uniqueReferences... 10228 Monticello merged loader changes (mike rueger) MonticelloConfigurations merged with impara MonticelloConfigurations- jl.43 mainly adds "atomic" loading ScriptLoader adding configuration map loading support Stef, Marcus and Gwenael (sprinting at Stef's place)

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Feb. 8, 2009

Hi all I'm converting into issues all the problems I got when trying to remove etoy. So if you want to have a look you can now pick up an item and send fix :). Stef

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