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[Pharo-project] About licenses
by StÃ©phane Ducasse July 15, 2009

July 15, 2009

Hi guys I'm currently scanning all the licenses and making sure we have a clear list and backup. I will update also the list on the web with the last one Boland, Heeck, Leidig, Marshal, Miranda, Schwarz, Tween Thanks guys!

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[Pharo-project] Once upon a time, in a code forest ...
by Guido Stepken July 15, 2009

July 15, 2009

[That phrase made me think: "we will remove BookMorph because it is a giant huge terrible mess. Now if you want multimedia publishing or creation have you look at openSophie? Stef"] ... some funny looking dwarfs were busy removing code ... That's like walking through a wonderful forest and randomly removing trees or branches, just because the aren't pretty enough or their "copyright" is unclear. Now you have removed many trees in the forest and replaced them by perfectly looking houses. And you have chased away all that funny animals, that were living in that forest, playing around within that unperfect, wild nature, therefore being motivated to participate to help making wood glades or creating funny things ... Now, thanks to some replacements of that old roots, the perfect looking houses can move as triple as fast in the wind, which even can blow much faster now, but the rest of the plants in this forest can't compete the wind, so it is planned to remove them completely. And - yes, the copyright of those new houses is much clearer now. But the wild bear, the badger, the lynx, they still prefer to live in their old caves, giving a shit on who created them in former times, completely ignoring those nice and perfectly looking houses .... that - by the way - can be found everywhere else outside this forest - bigger, greater, much nicer looking and even storm proofed. And the animals in this forest - being a bit sad about those happenings, they lived happily ever after, hopefully. Have fun! Tnx for reading, Guido Stepken

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Re: [Pharo-project] feedback
by Alexandre Bergel July 15, 2009

July 15, 2009

I read Stef comment before trying it out. I agree with Stef. Few additional comments: - When I develop an application, which pane should be the default one? Package or Group? Group I feel. Maybe a different ordering will make this clearer. Group, Hierarchy, Packages. - I feel the word Group a bit misleading. It does not say much actually, especially since I am intended to use it all the time. No better name to propose although. - Going from Group to hierarchy, and hierarchy -> Group does not preserve the selection. This is a crucial point in my opinion. - I feel the browser is a bit slower than before Good job! Cheers, Alexandre On 12 Jul 2009, at 18:42, stephane ducasse wrote: > > > Begin forwarded message: > >> From: StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> >> Date: July 12, 2009 6:42:00 PM CEDT >> To: David RÃ¶thlisberger <roethlis(a)iam.unibe.ch> >> Cc: Oscar Nierstrasz <oscar(a)iam.unibe.ch> >> Subject: feedback >> >> could you name it in the menu >> >> OB Package Browser and not AdaptorBrowere >> >> Apparently I can get a space in the in the working set >> >> >> > <Picture 1.png> >> >> >> >> >> here is some feedback >> >> I would not hardcode - working set - >> because you can have multiple ones >> -> you have that already with group (a working set is just a group) >> so I would not make any distinction (just stress the current one >> may be with a star or bold). >> >> From a vocabulary standpoint I would use smart groups everywhere >> (it fits the button labeling) >> >> I'm not sure that I would make a distinction between selected by >> hand and recently modified. >> there are the same: create a focus. Here is what I propose >> >> - the recently modified should go to the current smart group. >> - I can select an item and move to current smart group or drag it >> to the group I want >> - I can select a group and mark it as current. >> - I can delete a smart group >> - then you have the results and this is ok (cannot be current), >> - then when I create a new smart group I must give it a name (so >> no --working sets --) >> >> Stef >> >> >> >> >> >> > -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

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[Pharo-project] Problem with encoding and double quotes
by Mariano Martinez Peck July 15, 2009

July 15, 2009

Hi! I am having a problem with encoding and I am not sure if it is a bug or if it is correct. I copy Pier and Pharo mailing list. I am in Linux and when I write a double quote I write something like this: "Muelle Almirante Storni" If I write in OpenOffice, when I type the double quote key, OpenOffice writes something like this: âMuelle Almirante Storniâ Notice that the quotes are these last ones are twisted and the first were straight. If I copy paste "Muelle Almirante Storni" in a workspace of Pharo, it is perfectly understood. But if I paste I get: ?Muelle Almirante Storni? Now...I am developing a pier application my main problem is that my "functional information" is in .doc so they that the twisted ones. As they are put in the image trought Pier and a KomEncoded, there is not problem....until I try to search on the string. If I evaluate: ' âMuelle Almirante Storniâ' findString: 'esquel' startingAt: 1 caseSensitive: false This has a problem (index out of range) because internaly it tries to ask the asciiValue and this answers 2881 -> absurd Now, my solution is everytime I copy paste the text from a .doc to a Pier page I have to replace those twisted quotes for the straight ones. Is this a bug? or it is just like this ? thanks mariano

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[Pharo-project] Fwd: [squeak-dev] Re: Usability and look-and-feel (was Re: The future ofSqueak & Pharo (was Re: [ANN] Pharo MIT licenseclean))
by Damien Cassou July 14, 2009

July 14, 2009

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Andreas Raab <andreas.raab(a)gmx.de> Date: Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 5:40 PM Subject: [squeak-dev] Re: Usability and look-and-feel (was Re: The future ofSqueak & Pharo (was Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN] Pharo MIT licenseclean)) To: The general-purpose Squeak developers list <squeak-dev(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org> [ToolSet default browse: Behavior selector: nil] timeToRun. On my box this takes 506 msecs in Squeak 3.10, using Pharo it's at 5020 msecs. That's 10x slower. -- Damien Cassou http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st "Lambdas are relegated to relative obscurity until Java makes them popular by not having them." James Iry

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[Pharo-project] Graphical Objects
by Brad Fuller July 14, 2009

July 14, 2009

Hi All, I just looked at Pharo and it's nice and organized. Wow! I was wondering if anyone has ported the graphical objects window from mainline squeak - the selection from the main menu "objects" which creates a morph of a variety of objects to choose for drawing, scripting and displaying (with Rectangles, Book, Image, Text, Multimedia submenu, etc.) -- Brad Fuller +1 (408) 335-0112

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[Pharo-project] Fwd: Cleanups?
by StÃ©phane Ducasse July 14, 2009

July 14, 2009

Begin forwarded message: > From: pharo-project-owner(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > Date: July 14, 2009 12:06:37 PM CEDT > To: stephane.ducasse(a)free.fr > Subject: Cleanups? > > You are not allowed to post to this mailing list, and your message has > been automatically rejected. If you think that your messages are > being rejected in error, contact the mailing list owner at > pharo-project-owner(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr. > > > From: stephane ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)free.fr> > Date: July 14, 2009 12:06:29 PM CEDT > To: Pharo Development <Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> > Subject: Cleanups? > > > which reminds me that I want to integrate the "cleanUp" freespace > methods of keith. > > Stef > > > From: Ken G. Brown <kbrown <at> mac.com> > Subject: Re: image maintenance & cleanup methods > Newsgroups: gmane.comp.lang.smalltalk.squeak.general > Date: 2009-07-14 01:02:12 GMT (9 hours and 1 minute ago) > Have any more cleanup methods been added to this list? > I was just adding some things to <http://installer.pbworks.com/FreeSomeSpace > > > > Ken G. Brown > > At 4:01 AM -0800 2/12/09, squeak-dev-request <at> > lists.squeakfoundation.org apparently wrote: > >Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 21:13:50 -0800 > >From: John M McIntosh <johnmci <at> smalltalkconsulting.com> > >Subject: Re: [squeak-dev] ditching Monticello objects. > >To: Keith Hodges <keith_hodges <at> yahoo.co.uk> > >Cc: The general-purpose Squeak developers list > > <squeak-dev <at> lists.squeakfoundation.org> > >Message-ID: > > <B07FF75B-07C4-4C3F-ABB9-E6397B70AC73 <at> smalltalkconsulting.com> > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes > > > >Ok, well I did > > > >I've been collecting lists of pruning methods so.. > > > > ScrollBar initializeImagesCache. > > GradientFillStyle initPixelRampCache. > > NaturalLanguageFormTranslator classPool at: #CachedTranslations put: > >nil. > > NaturalLanguageTranslator resetCaches. > > PartsBin clearThumbnailCache. > > PaintBoxMorph classPool at: #ColorChart put: nil. > > PaintBoxMorph classPool at: #Prototype put: nil. > > ImageMorph classPool at: #DefaultForm put: (Form extent: 1 <at> 1 > depth: 1). > > Utilities classPool at: #ScrapsBook put: nil. > > Project allInstancesDo: [ :each | each setThumbnail: nil ]. > > ScriptingSystem stripGraphicsForExternalRelease. > > ProjectHistory currentHistory initialize. > > Utilities zapUpdateDownloader. > > Smalltalk forgetDoIts. > > Behavior flushObsoleteSubclasses. > > CommandHistory allInstancesDo: #initialize. > > ChangeSorter removeChangeSetsNamedSuchThat: [ :each | true ]. > > ChangeSet resetCurrentToNewUnnamedChangeSet. > > MethodChangeRecord allInstancesDo: [ :x | x noteNewMethod: nil ]. > > RequiredSelectors initialize. > > ProvidedSelectors initialize. > > LocalSends initialize. > > SendCaches initializeAllInstances. > > Utilities cleanseOtherworldlySteppers. > > Smalltalk organization removeEmptyCategories. > > Browser initialize. > > SMSqueakMap default purge. > > SystemBrowser removeObsolete. > > TheWorldMenu removeObsolete. > > AppRegistry removeObsolete. > > FileServices removeObsolete. > > MCFileBasedRepository flushAllCaches. > > MCDefinition clearInstances. > > Undeclared removeUnreferencedKeys. > > Smalltalk flushClassNameCache. > > 3 timesRepeat: [ Smalltalk garbageCollect. Symbol > compactSymbolTable ]. > > Set rehashAllSets. > > Smalltalk garbageCollect. > > > > > > > >I added these ones. > > > > ChangeSorter initializeChangeSetCategories. > > MCWorkingCopy inspect. > > MCRepositoryGroup inspect. > > MCCacheRepository inspect. > > > >and cleaned up the class instance variables & any class vars via the > >inspect. > > > >That removed all the MC packages and MC http repositories from the MC > >Browser > > > >gave me back 4 megabytes of image space. > > > >Well brute force, still 4 mb wonderful to get back this late in the > >project. > > > > > >On 11-Feb-09, at 6:18 PM, Keith Hodges wrote: > > > >> John M McIntosh wrote: > >>> I'm building an image for a limited memory hardware platform. > >>> > >>> At the point here where I want to *deploy* things and I can see > that > >>> various parts of Monticello > >>> are consuming well over a megabyte of memory to retain > MCVersionInfo > >>> instances, MCMethodDefinition(s), time stamps, uuids, etc etc > >>> > >>> I'm wondering if anyone has some code to strip all that out thus > >>> returning I suspect a couple of MB back for more constructive > usage? > >> You may want to look into the cleanUp/freeSomeSpace conventions. > MC1.5 > >> has a few implemented. There are many more available from > >> http://bugs.squeak.org/view.php?id=7244 > >> > >> Keith > > > >-- > >= > >= > >= > > > = > = > ====================================================================== > >John M. McIntosh <johnmci <at> smalltalkconsulting.com> > >Corporate Smalltalk Consulting Ltd. http://www.smalltalkconsulting.com > >= > >= > >= > > > = > = > ====================================================================== > > > >

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[Pharo-project] Baseline test results
by Michael Roberts July 14, 2009

July 14, 2009

I have uploaded my cs to generate baseline test results here: http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=954 and linked it off the wiki http://code.google.com/p/pharo/wiki/BaselineTestResults. Anyone with write access to the wiki is welcome to run the tests in new images / updates and post the results. Anyone with time on their hands can also fill in the history! It is almost automated. See the issue for a todo list; you can also post comments there. If anyone is interested in reviewing or improving please do. Perhaps this could be run as new pre-built images are uploaded to the download area? thanks, Mike

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[Pharo-project] macintosh clipboard and images
by John M McIntosh July 14, 2009

July 14, 2009

A couple of years ago the Sophie team built out the logic to enable the cut/copy/paste of a tremendous amount of clipboard data types in and out of Squeak. For the macintosh this include image data, data from selections made in the finder, and oh I don't know it seemed like 42 flavours of Textual data. it seems a shame to let that go all to waste and let Pharo languish with UTF-8. The problem has always been Oh EToys won't support FFI so progress on this front seems dim. However I'm wondering if there is any interested if I port the Sophie clipboard work to Pharo? Using FFI for the macintosh & Windows, where windows requires QuickTime for Window. Note the Sophie team decided because Quicktime for Window was a pre- requirement for iTunes that well everyone has iTunes on windows now... PS I note there are some hassles, Microsoft word for example sticks both the TIFF for the page, the UTF-16, UTF-8, ascii, macroman etc. on the the clipboard for a page. Very difficult to figure out what to do for that, in that case we knew the target was either image data, or text data, since we knew what the target was, but for Pharo I"m not sure what the solution would be. -- = = = ======================================================================== John M. McIntosh <johnmci(a)smalltalkconsulting.com> Twitter: squeaker68882 Corporate Smalltalk Consulting Ltd. http://www.smalltalkconsulting.com = = = ========================================================================

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July 14, 2009

Hi all some of us want to organise a pharo sprint at ESUG and I think it would be great to kill bug entry. The sunday would be cool. Stef

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