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[Pharo-project] Another video tutorial
by Lawson English Jan. 31, 2012

Jan. 31, 2012

Latest squeak tutorial. Connectors how-to: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1LveflchAU as an aside, it seems to me that Connectors should be ported back to Pharo, because it can be very useful I am finding. Lawson

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Re: [Pharo-project] Enthousiasm is the main currency among developers
by Marcus Denker Jan. 31, 2012

Jan. 31, 2012

On Jan 27, 2012, at 6:13 AM, dimitris chloupis wrote: > This article is really encapsulates the attitude and what is wrong with programming in general. The attitude of superiority and intelligence that seems to plague coders and being the biggest obstacle to progress. Yes! The "Everyone is dumb but me" phenomenon... What those "intelligent" people don't get is that complexity is inherently exponential. So even if you are 10 times more intelligent than me (very well possible), it is *completely* irrelevant considering that complexity grows non-linearly. If you combine this with the notion of Evolution: that it is impossible to creat "the perfect" out of nothing, yet entropy grows when you incrementally improve things... than this has some very serious consequences. > For me the main problem with is the whole aura of "elitism" , what better example than Lisp, where beginners are attacked and be excluded. We had the same effect in Squeak at the end. No progress, every improvement was actively fighted against, if needed with the nice argument that one can do it even better, and only "the best" is worth for Squeak. Another thing that "intelligent" people don't get is that critizising is trivial: You can *always* do better, there is no perfection. It's an endless process. This implies that one has to accept and embrace imperfection if one wants to have a future. Else you end up never finishing anything, the death of any incremental progress. Pharo was started with the explicit goal to do as many mistakes as possible, as fast as possible. Marcus -- Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de

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Re: [Pharo-project] Which COG VM?
by Marcus Denker Jan. 31, 2012

Jan. 31, 2012

On Jan 22, 2012, at 10:50 AM, Johan Brichau wrote: > > I think somebody that maintains the website needs to replace the VM that is linked on the download page with the latest VM built in Jenkins. > > I had the same issues but when I switched to the latest built on Jenkins, I had no issues anymore. > We need to once and for all finish to have a *complete* continous integration setup... we really should push towards that, else the on-click will be always out of date. Now there are lots of tiny trivial unimportant steps to go there that somehow never get done... I have put this on my TODO list, but it will take a while, sadly. Marcus -- Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de

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Re: [Pharo-project] Enthousiasm is the main currency among developers
by Marcus Denker Jan. 31, 2012

Jan. 31, 2012

On Jan 31, 2012, at 12:10 PM, Frank Shearar wrote: > On 31 January 2012 14:44, S Krish <krishnamachari.sudhakar(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> I agree whole heartedly after a month of Pharo being used as a tool for >> newbies. >> >> a) Crashes... Make sure to run an up-to-date vm and image (and yes, the downloads are not up to date...) And it's important that people report problems. If problems are not reported, it is as if they would not exist. >> b) Bugs in basic functionality: Morphic as well as in other places Morphic is just crap. But what can we do else than slowly fixing what we see? >> c) The User Guide is not in synch with the current stable Pharo.. in simple >> images of browsers.. We just can't update pharo by example for every release... the day has just 24 hours. But it is true that the version right now is far too old. (based on a horibly slow 1.0 with a completely different browser...) In general there are two options: -> give up and do something else -> fix the problems, step by step. -- Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de

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Re: [Pharo-project] OneClick on website's first page?
by Marcus Denker Jan. 31, 2012

Jan. 31, 2012

On Jan 26, 2012, at 2:01 PM, Janko MivÅ¡ek wrote: > Hi guys, > > For newcommers it would be really good to put a "Stable Pharo OneClick" > on the first place of Downloads section on first page at > http://www.pharo-project.org. > But that we have? No? http://www.pharo-project.org/pharo-download -- Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de

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Re: [Pharo-project] Future of SCM (was Smalltalk for small projects only?)
by Janko MivÅ¡ek Jan. 31, 2012

Jan. 31, 2012

Hi guys, This idea about realtime non-invasive notifications of others activity in the group is actually interesting and quite close what we are seeing in realtime web apps recently. I namelly see the Facebook-like business collaboration as a growing trend and one of more interesting innovations there is how to get notified without being disturbed, non-invasive therefore. I think we can copy some ideas from there to our tools too. Janko S, GÃ¶ran Krampe piÅ¡e: >>> - Real time collaboration. If we can sit in a shared (in some >>> controlled fashion) development environment in some kind >>> of real time model, then lots of merging and conflicts would just say >>> PUFF and go up in smoke. We are beginning to see >>> this now with the new IDEs running "on the web" because suddenly it >>> gets very natural to experiment in that direction. >> Real-time collaboration in the sense of getting code updates from >> other developers immediatedly is probably not very >> helpful, as it would distract a lot. > Code changes is one thing you probably want to *control* (which is why I > wrote "in some controlled fashion") but some examples of stuff you > really would like to get "immediately" are: > > - Developer X is modifying "your" code. No, not committed yet - but > perhaps you should talk to X :) > > - Visual queue/notification that developer X just managed to break your > unit tests > > - Developer X is right now writing new code that references classes that > you in turn have modified in your uncommitted code... or sending > messages whose implementations you in turn have modified in your > uncommitted code. > > ...and so on, there are numerous "tell tales" that there will be > interesting issues down the road - and these signals could be exposed to > the developers in various ways. Open your mind - it is not all about > sharing commits of code :) -- Janko MivÅ¡ek Aida/Web Smalltalk Web Application Server http://www.aidaweb.si

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[Pharo-project] Artifacts Mirroring
by Camillo Bruni Jan. 31, 2012

Jan. 31, 2012

hi everyone, I thought about mirroring the fresh artifacts from our jenkins server to the google-code site. Like this we would have at least a second place to download fresh builds even if the jenkins site is down again. What do you think?

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[Pharo-project] End of startup script behavior
by Sven Van Caekenberghe Jan. 31, 2012

Jan. 31, 2012

Guys, Maybe I missed this, but did something change with the behavior at the end of a startup script between 1.3 and 1.4 ? It used to be that the image kept on running unless you asked it to quit explicitly, now it seems that the image automatically quits unless you keep it busy. Can someone confirm this ? Was this intentional ? What would be the recommended way to keep the image open ? Somehow something like [ (Delay forDuration: 1 hour) wait ] repeat. seems so silly, but it works. Thx, Sven

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Jan. 31, 2012

Hi I would like to write some tests about MethodContext and BlockClosure activation. To start I wanted to write a simple invocation and step in from context to context. I could manually annotate the code with thisContext and store the resulting contexts somewhere. But does anybody has some magic information so that I can reuse the debugger logic? Stef

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[Pharo-project] Help with markdown is coming...
by Igor Stasenko Jan. 31, 2012

Jan. 31, 2012

a bit messy, because Camillo is a bad guy! ;) -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko.

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