Re: [Pharo-project] Enthousiasm is the main currency among developers
On Jan 31, 2012, at 12:10 PM, Frank Shearar wrote:
On 31 January 2012 14:44, S Krish <krishnamachari.sudhakar@gmail.com> wrote:
I agree whole heartedly after a month of Pharo being used as a tool for newbies.
a) Crashes...
Make sure to run an up-to-date vm and image (and yes, the downloads are not up to date...) And it's important that people report problems. If problems are not reported, it is as if they would not exist.
b) Bugs in basic functionality: Morphic as well as in other places Morphic is just crap. But what can we do else than slowly fixing what we see?
c) The User Guide is not in synch with the current stable Pharo.. in simple images of browsers.. We just can't update pharo by example for every release... the day has just 24 hours. But it is true that the version right now is far too old. (based on a horibly slow 1.0 with a completely different browser...)
In general there are two options: -> give up and do something else -> fix the problems, step by step. -- Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de
On 31 January 2012 16:16, Marcus Denker <marcus.denker@inria.fr> wrote:
On Jan 31, 2012, at 12:10 PM, Frank Shearar wrote:
On 31 January 2012 14:44, S Krish <krishnamachari.sudhakar@gmail.com> wrote:
I agree whole heartedly after a month of Pharo being used as a tool for newbies.
a) Crashes...
Make sure to run an up-to-date vm and image (and yes, the downloads are not up to date...)
And it's important that people report problems. If problems are not reported, it is as if they would not exist.
b) Bugs in basic functionality: Morphic as well as in other places Morphic is just crap. But what can we do else than slowly fixing what we see?
c) The User Guide is not in synch with the current stable Pharo.. in simple images of browsers.. We just can't update pharo by example for every release... the day has just 24 hours. But it is true that the version right now is far too old. (based on a horibly slow 1.0 with a completely different browser...)
In general there are two options:
    -> give up and do something else     -> fix the problems, step by step.
there's third option: - give up and fix problems step by step :) -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko.
On 31 January 2012 16:39, Igor Stasenko <siguctua@gmail.com> wrote:
there's third option: Â - give up and fix problems step by step :)
i think this option needs some explanation. as it happens to many of us i had a vision of making a super-project to rule'em all. but for that i were in need for having an ultimate and perfect tools to start with, and that's how squeak (and smalltalk in general) took my attention. but then i discovered that system in its current state is far from being perfect, and simply doesn't meets my criteria of "perfection". so i _gave up_ looking for perfect tool, because i came to understanding that there is no such thing. and instead i dedicated myself to making this tool better, so at some day, me (and others , of course) could make own project to rule'em all :) -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko.
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