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[pharo-project/pharo-core] e8b5c6: 50631
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March 8, 2016

Branch: refs/heads/5.0 Home: https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core Commit: e8b5c6249e646b6a982b6eda9d21a2d744b49c07 https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core/commit/e8b5c6249e646b6a982b6eda… Author: Jenkins Build Server <board(a)pharo-project.org> Date: 2016-03-08 (Tue, 08 Mar 2016) Changed paths: R Graphics-Fonts-Tests.package/StandardSystemFontsTest.class/README.md R Graphics-Fonts-Tests.package/StandardSystemFontsTest.class/definition.st R Graphics-Fonts-Tests.package/StandardSystemFontsTest.class/instance/utilities/assert_familyName_pointSize_.st R Graphics-Fonts-Tests.package/StandardSystemFontsTest.class/instance/utilities/saveStandardSystemFontsDuring_.st M Graphics-Tests.package/PointTest.class/instance/tests-converting/testAsFloatPoint.st M Graphics-Tests.package/PointTest.class/instance/tests-converting/testAsIntegerPoint.st A Graphics-Tests.package/PointTest.class/instance/tests-truncation and roundoff/testIsFloatPoint.st A Kernel.package/Behavior.class/instance/testing/isEphemeronClass.st A Kernel.package/Behavior.class/instance/testing/isImmediateClass.st M Kernel.package/Point.class/instance/converting/asFloatPoint.st M Kernel.package/Point.class/instance/converting/asIntegerPoint.st A Kernel.package/Point.class/instance/testing/isFloatPoint.st M Kernel.package/Point.class/instance/testing/isIntegerPoint.st M Kernel.package/Rectangle.class/instance/rectangle functions/areasOutside_.st M Kernel.package/Rectangle.class/instance/transforming/centeredBeneath_.st M Kernel.package/Rectangle.class/instance/truncation and roundoff/ceiling.st M Kernel.package/Rectangle.class/instance/truncation and roundoff/floor.st M Kernel.package/Rectangle.class/instance/truncation and roundoff/isIntegerRectangle.st R ScriptLoader50.package/ScriptLoader.class/instance/pharo - scripts/script50630.st A ScriptLoader50.package/ScriptLoader.class/instance/pharo - scripts/script50631.st R ScriptLoader50.package/ScriptLoader.class/instance/pharo - updates/update50630.st A ScriptLoader50.package/ScriptLoader.class/instance/pharo - updates/update50631.st M ScriptLoader50.package/ScriptLoader.class/instance/public/commentForCurrentUpdate.st M System-SessionManager.package/StartupUIManager.class/instance/error handling/handleError_log_.st Log Message: ----------- 50631 17766 StandardSystemFontsTest is either unfinised or obsolete https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/17766 17736 Growl raise debugger instead of a popup at startup https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/17736 17758 Rectangle>>#areasOutside: inconsistent return value https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/17758 17752 Point>>#asFloatPoint and Point>>#asIntegerPoint should not create new instances all the time. Add Point>>#isFloatPoint https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/17752 http://files.pharo.org/image/50/50631.zip

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[pharo-project/pharo-core]
by GitHub March 7, 2016

March 7, 2016

Branch: refs/tags/50630 Home: https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core

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[pharo-project/pharo-core] b2b8f7: 50630
by GitHub March 7, 2016

March 7, 2016

Branch: refs/heads/5.0 Home: https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core Commit: b2b8f7b1c7086433863158beb2d3255673cd6162 https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core/commit/b2b8f7b1c7086433863158be… Author: Jenkins Build Server <board(a)pharo-project.org> Date: 2016-03-07 (Mon, 07 Mar 2016) Changed paths: M ConfigurationOfUnifiedFFI.package/ConfigurationOfUnifiedFFI.class/instance/symbolic versions/stable_.st A ConfigurationOfUnifiedFFI.package/ConfigurationOfUnifiedFFI.class/instance/versions/v0%5F14%5F2_.st M Nautilus.package/NautilusUI.class/class/keymapping/buildHistoryShortcutsOn_.st A Reflectivity.package/extension/ClassVariable/instance/astNodes.st A Reflectivity.package/extension/GlobalVariable/instance/astNodes.st A Reflectivity.package/extension/Slot/instance/astNodes.st A Reflectivity.package/extension/TemporaryVariable/instance/astNodes.st M RingChunkImporter.package/RingChunkImporter.class/instance/private/msgClassComment_with_.st R ScriptLoader50.package/ScriptLoader.class/instance/pharo - scripts/script50629.st A ScriptLoader50.package/ScriptLoader.class/instance/pharo - scripts/script50630.st R ScriptLoader50.package/ScriptLoader.class/instance/pharo - updates/update50629.st A ScriptLoader50.package/ScriptLoader.class/instance/pharo - updates/update50630.st M ScriptLoader50.package/ScriptLoader.class/instance/public/commentForCurrentUpdate.st R Slot.package/ClassVariable.class/instance/as yet unclassified/astNodes.st R Slot.package/GlobalVariable.class/instance/queries/astNodes.st R Slot.package/Slot.class/instance/queries/astNodes.st R Slot.package/TemporaryVariable.class/instance/queries/astNodes.st M UnifiedFFI.package/FFIUInt32.class/instance/private/basicHandle_at_.st A UnifiedFFI.package/extension/ByteArray/instance/rollAsDoubleToArity_.st A UnifiedFFI.package/extension/ByteArray/instance/rollAsFloatToArity_.st A UnifiedFFI.package/extension/ExternalAddress/class/fromAddress_.st A UnifiedFFI.package/extension/ExternalAddress/instance/fromAddress_.st Log Message: ----------- 50630 17761 move #astNodes messages to the Reflectivity package https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/17761 17763 RingChunkImporter>>#msgClassComment:with: still uses Text for class comments https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/17763 17747 Nautilus history navigation hotkeys prevent entering square brackets on german/spanish Mac OS X https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/17747 17764 Update UFFI https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/17764 http://files.pharo.org/image/50/50630.zip

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[pharo-project/pharo-core]
by GitHub March 7, 2016

March 7, 2016

Branch: refs/tags/50629 Home: https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core

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[pharo-project/pharo-core] 806e9c: 50629
by GitHub March 7, 2016

March 7, 2016

Branch: refs/heads/5.0 Home: https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core Commit: 806e9c045788b45d43e023febb323e9c99b6f7e6 https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core/commit/806e9c045788b45d43e023fe… Author: Jenkins Build Server <board(a)pharo-project.org> Date: 2016-03-07 (Mon, 07 Mar 2016) Changed paths: M AST-Core.package/RBParser.class/instance/private-parsing/parseLiteralByteArrayObject.st M BaselineOfQualityAssistant.package/BaselineOfQualityAssistant.class/instance/api projectSpec/baseline_.st M ConfigurationOfQualityAssistant.package/ConfigurationOfQualityAssistant.class/instance/symbolic versions/development_.st M ConfigurationOfQualityAssistant.package/ConfigurationOfQualityAssistant.class/instance/symbolic versions/stable_.st R ConfigurationOfQualityAssistant.package/ConfigurationOfQualityAssistant.class/instance/versions/pre2%5F4%5F0_.st A ConfigurationOfQualityAssistant.package/ConfigurationOfQualityAssistant.class/instance/versions/pre2%5F5%5F0_.st A 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Spotter and parent file directory
by stepharo March 7, 2016

March 7, 2016

Hi Doru/Andrei I just produced a video on using spotter for files/dir navigation. Cool Here is my feedback - why don't we get dir when we request files? - I tried ./../ #files :) Would be nice to have it - I'm spoiled with Spotter I tried to navigate a mcz file :) any taker to get the contents of the file displayed Stef

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For future version of Spotter
by stepharo March 7, 2016

March 7, 2016

Add a menu doing GTSpotter cleanUp. GTSpotter dontShowPreview Stef

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[ANN][Bloc] February report
by Aliaksei Syrel March 6, 2016

March 6, 2016

Hi all Today is sunday meaning that we should make a monthly report on what happened in Bloc in February. - BlLinearLayout (stack layout + proportional layout) - Uses gtExample for examples and tests: BlLinearLayoutExamples - Has extensive class docs and method docs. Still some methods are missing docs. - Has "book" chapter (more info below) - Integration with OS-Window - Finally works, really fast. - Events do not work as expected because of https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/17757 - Unified shape scaling behaviour. - By default shape scales to fill BlElement's extent. - Supports different resizing strategies. - Started "book" chapter - Added documentation to various parts of Bloc - Still there are a lot of places not covered with docs. - Also we auto-generate "book" chapters from bloc example classes. In attachment you can find linear-layout and not finished shape chapter. *Future* - Bloc presentation on PharoDays2016 <http://pharodays2016.pharo.org> - 01 April 2016 - 11:05â11:25 Bloc: Towards a vector-based GUI - Working on - Grid layout (all rules above apply, docs + tests + chapter) - Bloc tests - Documentation Cheers, Alex

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Call about Numerical Methods in Pharo :)
by Ben Coman March 6, 2016

March 6, 2016

On Sun, Mar 6, 2016 at 5:05 AM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: > >> On 05 Mar 2016, at 19:57, Ben Coman <btc(a)openinworld.com> wrote: >> >> On Sun, Mar 6, 2016 at 2:10 AM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: >>> >>>> On 05 Mar 2016, at 18:22, Eliot Miranda <eliot.miranda(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Stef, >>>> >>>> On Mar 5, 2016, at 12:10 AM, stepharo <stepharo(a)free.fr> wrote: >>>> >>>>> You probably leave in a protected environment but I do not live in the same. >>>>> Did you check numPy recently or R? momemtum? >>>>> Do you think that people do not know how to count? >>>>> In 1980 my students were not even born, so how can it be better than >>>>> python, java, c#, lua, ... >>>>> >>>>> Do you think that it makes me happy to see my old friends leaving our language and do node.js. >>>>> Seriously. >>>>> Why do you blame me? Frankly tell to leave Pharo and I will leave. I can tell you. >>>>> I think that I need a break in my life in this moment so it would be a good opportunity. >>>>> Because if each time I do something to improve the wealth and visibility of our system >>>>> I get such kind of feedback then may be this is the time to do something. >>>>> Afterall I may be wrong. >>>>> Seriously if you think that I'm not doing a good job and you want to stay with old friends >>>>> just let me know. but if I stay then do not tell me that I'm an asshole that does not want to >>>>> promote smalltalk. >>>> >>>> I do not blame you. I am offended by Pharo disavowing the Smalltalk name. I am offended when people state Pharo is not Smalltalk. I want to refute false assumptions about the name Smalltalk, such as the equating it with cobol. Instead of taking it personally why don't you address my points about older programming languages whose names (AFAICT) are not perceived negatively? >>>> >>>> >>>> I support this community and am excited to participate in it. I admire and respect your efforts, StÃ©phane, in developing, organizing and supporting this community. But that does not mean I will keep quiet about something I profoundly disagree with and think is wrong. And that thing is to deny Pharo is Smalltalk. >>>> >>>> And I do this not because I am a zealot, but because words meaning are important, because to understand each other we should call a spade a spade, and because I am grateful for and delighted by this thing called Smalltalk, and I will not support taking credit away from it. Ruby is inspired by Smalltalk. Pharo is the real thing. >>> >>> Pharo was started because a certain situation existed in the Squeak community that blocked progress for a group of people that had another vision. Pharo was started and exists to fulfil that grand vision, a vision that is clearly rooted in Smalltalk history, but goes beyond that. >>> >>> If you want to focus on words, your sentence 'Pharo is Smalltalk' is not so innocent or politically free, as you know very well, even if it looks like factually correct (it is BTW). >>> >>> We say it differently because of what I just wrote, because we want to be free of backwards compatibility (if necessary), because we want to have a larger future than maintaining something old (even though we absolutely respect and acknowledge it). Yes, it is a bit of a play of words, but not without reason. >>> >>> Here is one writeup that tries to describe the same idea: >>> >>> http://www.tudorgirba.com/blog/pharo-is-pharo >>> >>> But the best documents are the Pharo vision documents. >> >> >> The counter argument is that there was Smalltalk-71, -72, -76, -78, >> -80. Some of these were distinctly different from the last. So >> Smalltalk was an *evolving* system. Why can't it be so again!? and >> be Smalltalk-Renew, Smalltalk-Next, Smalltalk-Evolved, Smalltalk-16, >> Smalltalk-P16 or Smalltalk-P5 "Pharo 5". >> >> As long as the emphasis is on Pharo being an *evolution* of Smalltalk >> (which is not in doubt), I think we cover all bases - stimulating the >> interest of newcomers and/or detractors of old, as well as Smalltalk >> stalwarts without being constrained by the past. As much as we might >> want to promote Pharo being separate from Smalltalk (which I believe >> was a reasonable strategy to establish identity at the time of the >> fork from Squeak), Smalltalk is always going to be there for anyone >> who scratches beneath the surface and they end up thinking "Oh its >> *just* Smalltalk" anyway. So this remains the "elephant in the room", >> *subtly* undermining of our marketing. Its the sort of weakness that >> can be better to hit head on as "Smalltalk-Evolved" (since "Evolved" >> is a term with positive connotations in the gaming / sci-fi >> communities.) >> >> cheers -ben > > Really, Ben, are you suggesting we stop calling it Pharo ? > Come on, let's be serious. Thats not a serious question. Pharo could only be called Pharo. Now just to be clear, I sit in the middle on this. I never experienced the constraint felt before the fork from Squeak, and on the flip side I have no big history with Smalltalk. To me, Pharo is just Pharo and there is nothing to stop us developing the system how we like. However I see the attempt to distance Pharo from past problems by branding with a fresh coat of paint false economy. People *will* scratch beneath the surface and the only way to address their perceived problems with Smalltalk is to address them - one by one. The essence of dispute is: on the one hand... A1. Future development without outside constraint A2. Avoid the perception of being an antiquated system and on the other hand... B1. Stronger recognition of our Smalltalk lineage I just don't see these as incompatible. B1 might be addressed in a small way by a simple changing in language from "inspired by" to "derived from". I think its a premature optimisation to be concerned that this might impinge on A1. The Pharo "way" is well established. For A2, I read Stef's reply "we want that people that learned smalltalk in the 90 do not discard Pharo because..." and understand my view of this is limited from my corner of the world. But I contend that while you may get these people in through the door, when they look around their next thought is "Hey, this *is* Smalltalk" and all their old prejudices reassert and they walk away without a further thought. I just feel its better overall for us to be upfront and say "Historically Smalltalk didn't do XX very well, and here is how we've fixed it!" That way, their old prejudice is actually what hooks them to come have a look. To use a strange analogy, its like those superstars who screw up really badly, then > > What makes Pharo different is this: you (and so many others) came to this community as a stranger (for us), started contributing in various ways, we saw that you were serious/good and we accepted your work, letting you work on very fundamental code that had the potential to break everything. There is simply no way that you could have done or be allowed to do that in any other Smalltalk, let alone the place where we forked from. It is as simple as that. That is why it is called Pharo, why we say Pharo is yours. I'm glad to have had the opportunity to contribute. I'm very glad that Pharo is all that it is, but this openness is more about Pharo's vision and mission and less about its roots. But you should know, I came to Pharo because I was looking for Smalltalk (from the whisper of a taste 15 years ago.) If it wasn't for that, (to my detriment) I might never have arrived. Perhaps this colours my perspective. cheers -ben > >>>>> Stef >>>>> >>>>> Le 5/3/16 02:18, Eliot Miranda a Ã©crit : >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Mar 4, 2016 at 12:08 PM, stepharo <stepharo(a)free.fr> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> SciPharo? Not so great news from my POV. >>>>>>> What is so much pharo specific in this library? >>>>>>> Is Smalltalk scientific community large enough for yet another split? >>>>>> Split of what? Let us be tagged with a name of 1980 and die in peace. Yes this looks like a >>>>>> smart move. >>>>>> There are just Python and R and Javascript around (not talking about ruby and swift) >>>>>> so this is a great move. We are not the cobol of object-oriented programming!! >>>>>> >>>>>> When I read sentiments like this it makes me want to leave the community. I find it so offensive that the Pharo community uses Smalltalk but wants to distance itself. It feels like theft or massive disrespect for the inventors of the language, or a complete lack of gratitude. >>>>>> >>>>>> C is older than Smalltalk and no one says "C is the cobol of low-level imperative languages". List is much older than C but no one wants to rename Lisp because it is perceived as old. >>>>>> >>>>>> Smalltalk is a beautiful name, carefully chosen to differentiate and identify the system as different, not arrogant, not hieroglyphic. Further, Smalltalkl /is/ different and distinctive materially. Why anyone would be ashamed of that incredible heritage and pervasive influence is beyond me. >>>>>> >>>>>> Offended, >>>>>> Eliot > >

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Re: [Pharo-dev] Call about Numerical Methods in Pharo :)
by Nicolai Hess March 6, 2016

March 6, 2016

Thank you StÃ©phane Ducasse, thank you Eliot Miranda, and all other people of this community. I appreciate what all you are doing (as a teacher / developer / user / supporter) for <enter your favourite name for this great exceptional computing environment> and it is a pleasure for me to work with you. (this is all I have to say to this topic) Thanks ! And go one :-) nicolai

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