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Is variable shadowing a feature or a bug?
by Benjamin Dec. 13, 2013

Dec. 13, 2013

I just discovered that in Pharo 3 you can do: [ :bool | self logCr: bool. bool := false. self logCr: bool. ] value: true Is this a bug or a feature ? I am fighting with this every day in javascript, and I do not know about to feel about this :s Ben

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Re: [Pharo-dev] Which tests should be run in CI?
by Stephan Eggermont Dec. 13, 2013

Dec. 13, 2013

Doru wrote: >This is clearly an issue of Grease. And it is not essential either as there are no senders to it. There are senders in Seaside. They look not so difficult to change. >So, I see no reason not to rename it in Grease. It is a compatibility layer, so you wouldn't be able to know looking only from Pharo. Stephan

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[pharo-project/pharo-core] a368f5: 30641
by GitHub Dec. 13, 2013

Dec. 13, 2013

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Version summary for FogBugz
by Pavel Krivanek Dec. 13, 2013

Dec. 13, 2013

Hi, what about to add to the World menu - System an item that will display some information about image version, platform, dirty packages list etc. Plus some button that will copy this text to the clipboard. The goal is to provide simple way how to get this standard information that should contain most of the FogBugz issue reports and the reporter could simply paste it there. Cheers, -- Pavel

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[pharo-project/pharo-core]
by GitHub Dec. 13, 2013

Dec. 13, 2013

Branch: refs/tags/30641 Home: https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core

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Versionner Impressions
by Sean P. DeNigris Dec. 13, 2013

Dec. 13, 2013

Wow, it's light years ahead of where I last saw it! It is already much better than writing configs by hand. I was able to do about 75% via the UI to go from nothing, to an initial commit with a baseline including dependent projects and my packages. A few notes. It would be nice to be able... â¢ to specify other repos for dependent project â¢ to select the project's repo from a list if it's already known by the system instead of having to type Bugs: â¢ I added BabyMock as a dependent project, Versionner showed "(stable)" in the UI, but when it added it to the baseline, it was loading bleeding edge â¢ Added packages were a mixture of strings and symbols i.e. 'FMOD', #FMODSpecification, 'BabyMock-Core' â¢ I added a main repository to Versionner, but it didn't appear in baseline when clicked "update dev" â¢ If you accidentally navigate away from the version you're viewing, e.g. by clicking on another version, all changes are lost without warning Keep up the great work. This is a very important tool! ----- Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Versionner-Impressions-tp4726902.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

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MooseDay schedule
by Marcus Denker Dec. 13, 2013

Dec. 13, 2013

>> De : Anne Etien <anne.etien(a)univ-lille1.fr> >> >> Hi, >> >> Please find bellow the schedule of the MooseDay >> http://www.lifl.fr/~etien/MooseDay.html >> The idea is really to present works developed on top of (or around) Moose and to have fruitful discussions. So I planned 30 mn per topic, but the schedule is quite flexible. Lot of time is foreseen for discussions. >> >> 10h: welcome >> 10h30: APIEvolutionMiner - Andre Hora >> 11h: FamixDiff - Nicolas Anquetil >> 11h30: Orion - Jannik Laval and Anne Etien >> >> 12h: Lunch offered by ESUG. >> >> 14h: First works on Version - Yuriy Tymchuk >> 14h30: Roassal - Alexandre Bergel >> >> 15h-15h30 break >> >> 15h30: GraphET - Alexandre Bergel >> 16h: Use of GraphET - Serge Stinckwich >> 16h30: Around tests - Alain Plantec >> >> Reminder, the MooseDay will take place in Inria B building room B31. Directions to come can be found there (http://www.inria.fr/en/centre/lille/overview/locations) >> >> See you next week in Lille ;o) >> >> Anne >>

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Re: [Pharo-dev] Tell me about your workflow
by GOUBIER Thierry Dec. 13, 2013

Dec. 13, 2013

However, for the fun, it seems browsing the Roassal git commit with gitg (coded with Gtk/C) is killing gitg :). gitk was Ok. Roassal test: Pharo OK, Gitk OK (I believe it's coded in tcl/tk), Gitg(C) Fail (> 10 minutes at full power to get the file list in the commit). Use C, it's faster, mate :):):) Thierry ________________________________ De : Pharo-dev [pharo-dev-bounces(a)lists.pharo.org] de la part de GOUBIER Thierry Date d'envoi : vendredi 13 dÃ©cembre 2013 10:00 Ã : Pharo Development List Objet : [PROVENANCE INTERNET] Re: [Pharo-dev] Tell me about your workflow Bad news. Roassal package directory has 355 entries (343 classes + a few extensions) and I don't see much of a slow down (on 3.0). It's not instantaneous, but with a bit of feedback, it doesn't seems long. I'll do some profiling. Thierry ________________________________ De : Pharo-dev [pharo-dev-bounces(a)lists.pharo.org] de la part de GOUBIER Thierry Date d'envoi : jeudi 12 dÃ©cembre 2013 17:07 Ã : Pharo Development List Objet : [PROVENANCE INTERNET] Re: [Pharo-dev] Tell me about your workflow Thanks for the pointers. I'll look at Seaside/Moose/Mondrian and Roassal, because I need code I can load and save in an image without destroying the very image I use to test (which would happen if I load Pharo10 stuff in a 3.0 image ;) ). Thierry ________________________________ De : Pharo-dev [pharo-dev-bounces(a)lists.pharo.org] de la part de Yuriy Tymchuk [yuriy.tymchuk(a)me.com] Date d'envoi : jeudi 12 dÃ©cembre 2013 16:24 Ã : Pharo Development List Objet : Re: [Pharo-dev] Tell me about your workflow So if you want something big and with a lot of commits you can use Pharo* in general. Pharo10 has the most versions and Pharo30Inbox is the largest one. If you want some other projects then you heve to take a look at Seaside30, Mondrian, Moose, Glamour or Roassal. Uko On 12 Dec 2013, at 16:20, Yuriy Tymchuk <yuriy.tymchuk(a)me.com<mailto:yuriy.tymchuk@me.com>> wrote: Pharo10 on SmalltalkHub is humongous. You can definitely do a stress test with it :) Uko On 12 Dec 2013, at 15:43, GOUBIER Thierry <thierry.goubier(a)cea.fr<mailto:thierry.goubier@cea.fr>> wrote: I would need a large project, composed of one or more packages, with more than 150~200 classes, which triggers the slow read and writing times Sebastian experience. And, probably, to be complete, a long and complex commit history in git (> 100 commits). I'll keep in mind the idea of creating one randomly ;) Thierry ________________________________ De : Pharo-dev [pharo-dev-bounces(a)lists.pharo.org<mailto:pharo-dev-bounces@lists.pharo.org>] de la part de Yuriy Tymchuk [yuriy.tymchuk(a)me.com<mailto:yuriy.tymchuk@me.com>] Date d'envoi : jeudi 12 dÃ©cembre 2013 15:37 Ã : Pharo Development List Objet : Re: [Pharo-dev] Tell me about your workflow Are you interested in a package or a project? I can provide you information based on size, etcâ¦ Uko On 12 Dec 2013, at 15:30, GOUBIER Thierry <thierry.goubier(a)cea.fr<mailto:thierry.goubier@cea.fr>> wrote: I gave up running gitfiletree on 1.4 :( It's possible to use gitfiletree from a 2.0 or a 3.0 image to browse your git repository, but testing the writing will be an issue. My best chance would be to find a large enough package I can use on 2.0 or 3.0 to test and profile. Does anybody has a large enough package which could fit? Anything that doesn't require a NDA to read it, of course. Is Roassal large enough? Thierry ________________________________ De : Pharo-dev [pharo-dev-bounces(a)lists.pharo.org<mailto:pharo-dev-bounces@lists.pharo.org>] de la part de Sebastian Sastre [sebastian(a)flowingconcept.com<mailto:sebastian@flowingconcept.com>] Date d'envoi : jeudi 12 dÃ©cembre 2013 12:12 Ã : Pharo Development List Objet : Re: [Pharo-dev] Tell me about your workflow gee the big code package is airflowing which I have, quite conservatively, running on #14438 images I load filetree like this: Gofer new url: 'http://ss3.gemstone.com/ss/FileTree'; package: 'ConfigurationOfFileTree'; load. ((Smalltalk at: #ConfigurationOfFileTree) project version: #'stable') load. and it never complained let me know On Dec 12, 2013, at 3:53 AM, GOUBIER Thierry <thierry.goubier(a)cea.fr<mailto:thierry.goubier@cea.fr>> wrote: If you would be ready to profile a package save on your repository, it would be great. In the mean time, I'll make available a special gitfiletree package to test. Which version of Pharo you are using? 2.0 or 3.0? Regards, Thierry ________________________________ De : Pharo-dev [pharo-dev-bounces(a)lists.pharo.org<mailto:pharo-dev-bounces@lists.pharo.org>] de la part de Sebastian Sastre [sebastian(a)flowingconcept.com<mailto:sebastian@flowingconcept.com>] Date d'envoi : mercredi 11 dÃ©cembre 2013 17:09 Ã : Pharo Development List Objet : Re: [Pharo-dev] Tell me about your workflow ok, if saving is dumping all, then 3 is confirmed? After the first commit, I'd say so. about 2, I don't know. I'm available to make tests and measure results have a nice trip, keep us tuned about any progress On Dec 11, 2013, at 2:09 PM, Goubier Thierry <thierry.goubier(a)cea.fr<mailto:thierry.goubier@cea.fr>> wrote: Yes, you're right in the general case. But a solution to that general problem will take time to be implemented (time I lack at the moment, sadly) and if the main gain is a few % because it's writing the version file and the metadata for methods which are the "slow" factors, then we'll have worked hard for nothing. If you want to help, I'd really like to see either 2- or 3- confirmed. I can produce a special gitfiletree to remove writing the metadata, that you can try on a large project temporary copy; if the slow writing (and reading) is confirmed, then this is 3- (But I'm leaving on a trip tomorrow early, so I have no idea of when I'll have the time to do that :( ). Thierry Le 11/12/2013 16:44, Sebastian Sastre a Ã©crit : Without entering in details, a cause for slow package write is dumping all every time. For that strategy, we already have the image save which is magically fast. So, if we make something to scan the code and write only when it's different from what's on disk, then we would be preventing tons of redundant writes sebastian <https://about.me/sebastianconcept> o/ On Dec 11, 2013, at 1:43 PM, Goubier Thierry <thierry.goubier(a)cea.fr<mailto:thierry.goubier@cea.fr> <mailto:thierry.goubier@cea.fr>> wrote: Le 11/12/2013 16:27, Esteban Lorenzano a Ã©crit : ah, and IMHO the problem is not about reading... is about writing (if it has to write the metadata each time...). But, personnaly, I don't know if this is the reason for the lack of performance... I have three hypothesis for Sebastian problem: 1 - Slow read time for version metadata - Confirmed because of the 16 seconds wait time for reading the package metadata in the repository browser. 2 - Slow metadata write 3 - Slow package write I have an implemented solution for 1-, a very easy to implement for 2-, and none yet for 3- So I'd really like to check if 3- is confirmed ;) Thierry Esteban On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 4:24 PM, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com<mailto:estebanlm@gmail.com> <mailto:estebanlm@gmail.com> <mailto:estebanlm@gmail.com>> wrote: Thierry, I know there is a working version... let me search... (5 mins later) here: https://github.com/rjsargent/CypressReferenceImplementation Dale says Richard made a metadata-less version. We should take a look at that. Esteban On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 4:28 PM, Goubier Thierry <thierry.goubier(a)cea.fr<mailto:thierry.goubier@cea.fr> <mailto:thierry.goubier@cea.fr><mailto:thierry.goubier@cea.fr>> wrote: Esteban, Sebastian, In the filetree code, you will find a format without metadata, but it's not in use anymore. If you use gitfiletree, it will write the metadata for compatibility reasons with filetree, but it will never read it back. I'm pushing code to make filetree robust to absence of metadata, but I haven't worked on it for a while. gitfiletree has solved the problem of a slow metadata read. It does not solve any performance problem associated with writing, yet. Thierry Le 11/12/2013 16:12, Esteban Lorenzano a Ã©crit : I know there is a version of filetree without metadata (more compelling for projects that will never use other formats). Dale told me that there was a preview somewhere, but I didn't tested yet (lack of time) and now I cannot find the mail... Dale, can you re-send the link? cheers, Esteban On Wed, Dec 11, 2013 at 4:08 PM, Sebastian Sastre <sebastian(a)flowingconcept.com<mailto:sebastian@flowingconcept.com> <mailto:sebastian@flowingconcept.com> <mailto:sebastian@flowingconcept.com> <mailto:sebastian@__flowingconcept.com <mailto:sebastian@flowingconcept.com>>> wrote: I should breath before I type, but you probably already got that I meant /redundant writes/ (not reads)... Anyway.. I was talking with Esteban and he mentions some kind of compatibility metadata. If I'm going to give a leap of faith to filetree repos to save code why should I care about mcz compatibility? Paying a toll for no reason is evil. Maybe we could make that optional so those who don't extract value from that feature can opt-out? sebastian <https://about.me/__sebastianconcept <https://about.me/sebastianconcept>> o/ On Dec 11, 2013, at 12:44 PM, Sebastian Sastre <sebastian(a)flowingconcept.com<mailto:sebastian@flowingconcept.com> <mailto:sebastian@flowingconcept.com> <mailto:sebastian@flowingconcept.com> <mailto:sebastian@__flowingconcept.com <mailto:sebastian@flowingconcept.com>>> wrote: Hi Thierry On Dec 11, 2013, at 12:43 PM, Goubier Thierry <thierry.goubier(a)cea.fr<mailto:thierry.goubier@cea.fr> <mailto:thierry.goubier@cea.fr> <mailto:thierry.goubier@cea.fr> <mailto:thierry.goubier@cea.fr <mailto:thierry.goubier@cea.fr>__>> wrote: I have packages (in the order of hundreds of classes) and save delays and package click delays are starting to demand patience in a way that doesn't feel like the right path Which operations ? I didn't remember noticing much with 179 classes on a laptop without a SSD. choose one. Just for clicking the package that will should you UUID, version and author I need to wait ~16 seconds. Sounds like a lot of overhead for reading a small .json file. But the write is the most worrisome All that is with a SSD disk, otherwise save delays would be /way/ beyond unacceptable I'd like to know more, and understand the reason, for sure. As far as I know, filetree will rewrite the whole package to disk everytime... and maybe optimising that could be the solution. Well, that explains a lot. Writing all every time is the lazy thing that's okay for a prototype and temporary code in a proof of concept but that massive redundant reads certainly doesn't sounds like pro software. Specially for SSD's which has a limited quantity of writes Thierry sebastian <https://about.me/__sebastianconcept <https://about.me/sebastianconcept>> o/ -- Thierry Goubier CEA list Laboratoire des Fondations des SystÃ¨mes Temps RÃ©el EmbarquÃ©s 91191 Gif sur Yvette Cedex France Phone/Fax: +33 (0) 1 69 08 32 92 <tel:%2B33%20%280%29%201%2069%2008%2032%2092> <tel:%2B33%20%280%29%201%2069%__2008%2032%2092> / 83 95 -- Thierry Goubier CEA list Laboratoire des Fondations des SystÃ¨mes Temps RÃ©el EmbarquÃ©s 91191 Gif sur Yvette Cedex France Phone/Fax: +33 (0) 1 69 08 32 92 <tel:%2B33%20%280%29%201%2069%2008%2032%2092> / 83 95 -- Thierry Goubier CEA list Laboratoire des Fondations des SystÃ¨mes Temps RÃ©el EmbarquÃ©s 91191 Gif sur Yvette Cedex France Phone/Fax: +33 (0) 1 69 08 32 92 / 83 95 -- Thierry Goubier CEA list Laboratoire des Fondations des SystÃ¨mes Temps RÃ©el EmbarquÃ©s 91191 Gif sur Yvette Cedex France Phone/Fax: +33 (0) 1 69 08 32 92 / 83 95

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[pharo-project/pharo-core]
by GitHub Dec. 13, 2013

Dec. 13, 2013

Branch: refs/tags/30640 Home: https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core

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[pharo-project/pharo-core] f9874f: 30640
by GitHub Dec. 13, 2013

Dec. 13, 2013

Branch: refs/heads/3.0 Home: https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core Commit: f9874f20e39b4c7b91bb409d052753d24981e798 https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core/commit/f9874f20e39b4c7b91bb409d… Author: Jenkins Build Server <board(a)pharo-project.org> Date: 2013-12-13 (Fri, 13 Dec 2013) Changed paths: A Deprecated30.package/extension/TBehavior/instance/methodDictionary.st A Deprecated30.package/extension/TBehavior/instance/methodDictionary_.st M KernelTests.package/AdditionalMethodStateTest.class/instance/running/setUp.st M Nautilus.package/AbstractNautilusUI.class/instance/buttons behavior/instanceButtonLabel.st A ScriptLoader30.package/ScriptLoader.class/instance/pharo - scripts/script295.st A ScriptLoader30.package/ScriptLoader.class/instance/pharo - updates/update30640.st M ScriptLoader30.package/ScriptLoader.class/instance/public/commentForCurrentUpdate.st A System-Platforms.package/MacOSPlatform.class/instance/accessing/lineEnding.st A System-Platforms.package/OSPlatform.class/instance/accessing/lineEnding.st A System-Platforms.package/UnixPlatform.class/instance/accessing/lineEnding.st A System-Platforms.package/Win32Platform.class/instance/accessing/lineEnding.st R Traits.package/TBehavior.class/instance/accessing method dictionary/methodDictionary.st R Traits.package/TBehavior.class/instance/accessing method dictionary/methodDictionary_.st Log Message: ----------- 30640 12417 Introduce lineEnding on OSPlatform https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/12417 12371 Deprecated #methodDictionary and #methodDictionary: https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/12371 http://files.pharo.org/image/30/30640.zip

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