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Re: [Pharo-project] DejaVu vs Bitmap DejaVu / missing fonts folder
by StÃ©phane Ducasse Oct. 9, 2010

Oct. 9, 2010

even better :) On Oct 9, 2010, at 8:51 AM, Alain Plantec wrote: > Le 08/10/2010 22:01, StÃ©phane Ducasse a Ã©crit : >> alain may be we should that as comments in one of the class of the package. >> >> > but this is already in the comment of the class (only one class in the package) :-)

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[Pharo-project] DejaVu vs Bitmap DejaVu / missing fonts folder
by Veronica Isabel Uquillas Gomez Oct. 9, 2010

Oct. 9, 2010

Hi, I would like to know if i am the only one having the indentation problem when using bitmap fonts. The Torch dashboard makes use of small and big DejaVu Sans fonts. For configuring it the fonts folder is needed (that now is gone in the last version pharo 1.1.1 dev, why?). Got the suggestion of using the new DejaVu package and I tried... However, they are Bitmap DejaVu fonts and I have the problem of text indentation. I show the changed source code in popup views. With DejaVu sans fonts the text appears as it is written (first image), but with Bitmap fonts not -- all is aligned to the left, and it is impossible to read a method like that (second image). Do I need to set something else for those fonts to work? Any idea why do I have this problem? Can the fonts folder be include again in the distribution? Best regards, Veronica Uquillas

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Re: [Pharo-project] XTream was Re: Ocean (was Re: Less plugins, more Smalltalk code!)
by StÃ©phane Ducasse Oct. 9, 2010

Oct. 9, 2010

On Oct 8, 2010, at 10:05 PM, mkobetic(a)gmail.com wrote: > I saw this thread on the pharo list and figured that a bit of feedback from Michael and myself might be helpful. Please, forgive the cross-posting, this concerns both dialects and I'd like to make this discussion visible on the VW side as well. > > First of all, let me thank everyone for the "xtreamly" positive feedback. It sure feels good to get a thumbs up once in a while. So, thanks! > > Since there was a question earlier about availability of my ESUG slides, I'll also add that a rather crude and plain but usable pdf export of those is available on the ESUG slideshare. I'd be happy to forward the pdf to anyone interested as well. It's full of examples and it certainly should be easier to copy those from there than from the video or memory :-). > > As far as the future plans for Xtreams go (at least on VW side), we'd primarily like to validate the design with actual use, and fix any outstanding issues of course. We are certainly open towards collaboration with others on further development or porting efforts. I'd be happy to help sort out any porting issues (at least from the VW side). > > Regarding the general direction of the project, we are skeptical about the possibility of maintaining backward compatibility with the classic streams and yet being able to make the kind of changes that we're experimenting with in Xtreams. At this point we believe that the only practical approach is to let them live side by side and let people chose whichever fits better their needs. If Xtreams ever do gain significant acceptance there certainly is a very real possibility that we'll end up having to live with both frameworks, maybe forever. But we don't think there's practical way to somehow evolve the classic streams into something like Xtreams without wreaking havoc. The best strategy. > That's also partly why we took the liberty of changing even the basic APIs. They don't behave quite the same way (intentionally) in a number of cases and given that the two will likely have to coexist in the same context, it might be actually beneficial to make them distinctly different, so that it's clear which one is used where. Anyway, what I'm getting at is that some of the choices we've already made with Xtreams might be hard for us to compromise on, but we can certainly discuss the options. On the other hand, implementation changes that aid portability and don't compromise the basic goals are certainly a fair game. Ideally we'll be able to agree on an arrangement that would allow the project to co-evolve on multiple-dialects without the need to effectively fork the code-base. That would certainly be worth-while and we're definitely interested in trying to achieve that. I'll be at the Smalltalks 2010 conference in november and would be happy to discuss any details if the > re are people interested in this. > > Obviously, given the license, people are free to fork the code or start from scratch or whatever and take it in whatever direction they see fit. I just want to make it clear that we are open to collaboration as long as we can agree on general direction. So, no hard feelings Nicolas :-), although we may want to sort out the naming eventually just for the sake of avoiding confusion in the Squeak and Pharo world (if Xtreams ever get traction there). + Yes Nicolas why not upstreams flow > > Anyway, I'm now subscribed to the pharo list so I'm reachable both there and on vwnc. > > Martin > > "Nicolas Cellier"<nicolas.cellier.aka.nice(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> Yes that's a correct description of the past and present. >> >> The futur is opened, and the main options for Squeak Xtream are: >> 1) change goals to get closer to VW - with a compatible API and lot of >> mud underneath to glue the implementation on squeak >> 2) stay at a proof of concept experimental level >> 3) continue developping independantly as a replacement for Stream >> >> There is a lot of buzz recently, and a renewed interest in VW Xtream. >> So there is a chance to gather enough force to attempt a squeak port, >> whether based on Squeak Xtream experiments or not. >> But it's not to me alone to answer this challenge. >> >> Nicolas >> >>> Sven >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

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Re: [Pharo-project] [ANN] Soap Webservices for pharo
by StÃ©phane Ducasse Oct. 9, 2010

Oct. 9, 2010

thanks guillermo May be it would be good to have a chapter on the collaboatve book? Stef On Oct 9, 2010, at 8:31 AM, Guillermo Polito wrote: > Ok, tests are green (except by one that fails because a particular problem in my machine's dnss, hehe). > > I've tested its examples in pharo 1.1 between two images my machine, and it works :). > > To download it: > > Gofer it > squeaksource: 'MetacelloRepository'; > package: 'ConfigurationOfSoapOpera'; > load. > > ConfigurationOfSoapOpera project lastVersion load > > To use it, look at the examples in the code and the doc in: http://www.mars.dti.ne.jp/~umejava/smalltalk/soapOpera/index.html. > > > Sleepy cheers :D, > Guille > > On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 1:02 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > cool! > > > A little of progress... > > > > I fixed the underscores assignments, and Preferences references. > > I built a first metacello configuration to download this package: > > > > Gofer it > > squeaksource:'MetacelloRepository'; > > package:'ConfigurationOfSoapOpera'; > > load > > > > ConfigurationOfSoapOpera project lastVersion load > > > > It depends on ConfigurationOfKomHttpServer (Komanche). > > I will enhance it in the future to make it depend in the Xml parser in XMLSupport. > > > > By now, in my 1.2 core image the tests are: 134 run, 121 passes, 0 expected failures, 2 failures, 11 errors, 0 unexpected passes. > > > > Cheers! > > > > 2010/10/4 Janko MivÅ¡ek <janko.mivsek(a)eranova.si> > > Hi guys, > > > > Nice to see that SOA Web Services in Squeak/Pharo is rolling on again. > > We really need that, if we want Pharo to be useful in commercial, > > specially in so called "enterprisely" world. Those who listen Andreas > > ThÃ¶nne's talk on ESUG, know what I mean. > > > > What we really need on SOA Web Services front: > > > > - WSDL support, > > - XML <-> Object mapping. > > - Tools > > > > Goal should be a "one-click" use of Web Services. From both client and > > server setup. As all Smalltalks support it, except Squeak/Pharo yet not. > > Look at excellent VW or VA Smalltlak WebServices suport for inspiration. > > > > Best regards > > Janko > > > > On 04. 10. 2010 16:21, Guillermo Polito wrote: > > > http://www.mars.dti.ne.jp/~umejava/smalltalk/soapOpera/soapCore.html > > > > > > So, we have some tasks now: > > > > > > - put it in squeaksource > > > - test it in pharo > > > - build a metacello config > > > - document it? > > > > > > Any help is really appreciated, since I don't have too much time. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Guille > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > > > From: *Masashi Umezawa* <umejava(a)mars.dti.ne.jp > > > <mailto:umejava@mars.dti.ne.jp>> > > > Date: Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 8:46 AM > > > Subject: Re: About SoapOpera and SoapCore > > > To: Guillermo Polito <guillermopolito(a)gmail.com > > > <mailto:guillermopolito@gmail.com>> > > > > > > > > > Hi Guillermo, > > > > > > I am happy to hear that SoapOpera and SoapCore would be useful for your > > > projects. Please feel free to reuse my Soap stuff. > > > Recently I do not have enough time to upgrade those packages. So I > > > really appreciate your offer. > > > > > > I hope SoapOpera and SoapCore will start growing again! > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > Guillermo Polito <guillermopolito(a)gmail.com > > > <mailto:guillermopolito@gmail.com>> wrote: > > >> Hi! > > >> > > >> My name's Guillermo and I'm from Argentina. I'm participating in the > > > pharo > > >> project (www.pharo-project.org <http://www.pharo-project.org>), and I > > > would love to integrate your soap > > >> package into our available packages :). > > >> I was wandering if you let us put it into squeaksource > > > (www.squeaksource.com <http://www.squeaksource.com>) > > >> and mantain it for our use, because pharo is growing very quickly and it > > >> needs this kind of really cool stuff :). Of course we will keep the MIT > > >> license. > > >> > > >> Thank you for your time and sorry for bothering :P! > > >> Guille > > > > > > --- > > > [:masashi | ^umezawa] > > > > > > -- > > Janko MivÅ¡ek > > AIDA/Web > > Smalltalk Web Application Server > > http://www.aidaweb.si > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-project mailing list > > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

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[Pharo-project] a real challenge for squeak xml-rpc and xml aprsing:
by Lawson English Oct. 9, 2010

Oct. 9, 2010

Which existing Squeak and/or Pharo classes can handle this and how? login xml-rpc command: http://www.morphle.org:8502/pier/xmlRPClogincommandforSecondLife output (needs extracting into relevant containers): http://www.morphle.org:8502/pier/sampleoutputfromsecondlife Thanks, Lawson

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Re: [Pharo-project] DejaVu vs Bitmap DejaVu / missing fonts folder
by StÃ©phane Ducasse Oct. 9, 2010

Oct. 9, 2010

alain may be we should that as comments in one of the class of the package. On Oct 8, 2010, at 6:41 PM, Alain Plantec wrote: > Le 08/10/2010 14:37, Veronica Isabel Uquillas Gomez a Ã©crit : >> Hi, >> >> I would like to know if i am the only one having the indentation problem when using bitmap fonts. >> >> The Torch dashboard makes use of small and big DejaVu Sans fonts. For configuring it the fonts folder is needed (that now is gone in the last version pharo 1.1.1 dev, why?). >> Got the suggestion of using the new DejaVu package and I tried... However, they are Bitmap DejaVu fonts and I have the problem of text indentation. >> I show the changed source code in popup views. With DejaVu sans fonts the text appears as it is written (first image), but with Bitmap fonts not -- all is aligned to the left, and it is impossible to read a method like that (second image). >> >> Do I need to set something else for those fonts to work? > Hi Veronica, > > After the loading, to install them: > DejaVuHolder installFull. > or > DejaVuHolder installSizes: #(5 7 8 9 10 11 24) > if you only want a subset > >> Any idea why do I have this problem? >> > I've tried with the 1.1.1 version on Linux and the indentation seems ok also with small fonts (5, 6, 7). > See the screenshot. > > Cheers > Alain > >> Can the fonts folder be include again in the distribution? >> >> Best regards, >> Veronica Uquillas >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > <allAvailablesSizes.png>_______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

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[Pharo-project] [update 1.2] #12187
by StÃ©phane Ducasse Oct. 9, 2010

Oct. 9, 2010

12187 ----- - Issue 2883: Anymorphic Style- Some parts of it. Does not work. - Issue 2947: SmalltalkEditor does not handle ESC key. Thanks Fernando Olivero.

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[Pharo-project] [ANN] New Reef page and Tutorial available
by Esteban Lorenzano Oct. 9, 2010

Oct. 9, 2010

Hi, As I promised at ESUG 2010, I created a page to keep Reef information and documentation... You can see it here: http://www.smallworks.com.ar/en/community/Reef Also, I began to write a tutorial for Reef, the first part is here: http://www.smallworks.com.ar/en/community/Reef/reefSimpleTutorialPart1 And the slides for the presentation is here: http://www.slideshare.net/EstebanLM/reef-esug-2010 Cheers, Esteban

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[Pharo-project] can I build a bundle from a package ?
by Johannes Rasche Oct. 9, 2010

Oct. 9, 2010

Hi all, for pricavy and security reason I would like to have some code not to be open. Any advice would be very welcome Johannes Johannes Rasche Hagelberger Str. 56 10965 Berlin ePost: Johannes.Rasche(a)ePost.de mail: johannesrasche(a)me.com skype: johannesrasche www: http://myNeat.de fon: +49-30-7469 4425 (skypeIn) fax: +49-30-315 66 821

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Oct. 9, 2010

- first having no bug - second make it better Stef On Oct 9, 2010, at 5:38 AM, Guillermo Polito wrote: > Here is the piece of code that's behaving weird > > TextEditor>>dispatchOn: > > ... > ... > char := aKeyboardEvent keyCharacter. > openers := '([{'. > closers := ')]}'. > ( closers includes: char) ifTrue: [ self blinkPrevParen: char ]. > result := self normalCharacter: aKeyboardEvent. > (self class autoEnclose and: [ openers includes: char ]) not ifTrue: [ ^ result ]. > suffix := closers at: (openers indexOf: char). > paragraph text append: suffix asString. > self moveCursor: [ : position | position ] forward: true specialBlock: [ : pos | "no special behavior" ] event: aKeyboardEvent . > self userHasEdited. > > ------------------------------------- > > So, if I evaluate "TextEditor autoEnclose: false", it is stops behaving like that :) > > What should be the desired behavior? Having it configurable as it is today but fix the strange bracket adding? remove this behavior? > I can't find now how ParagraphEditor did this. > > Guille > > On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 10:34 PM, Guillermo Polito <guillermopolito(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Yes, the issue can be reduced to: > > open parenthesis (or brackets), then something else (anywhere in the editor). > > 2010/10/6 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com> > > I detected a similar problem: > > once you type an opening parenthesis, and then something else, it adds a new one at the END of the code > > check http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=2939 > > 2010/10/6 Guillermo Polito <guillermopolito(a)gmail.com> > http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=3069 > > if you type: > > [] -> []] > > () -> ()) > > {} -> {}} > > > > Bye! > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

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