October 2008 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

[Pharo-project] Fwd: [squeak-dev] Fully Relicensed version of mainstream Squeak
by StÃ©phane Ducasse Oct. 23, 2008

Oct. 23, 2008

Begin forwarded message: > From: Yoshiki Ohshima <yoshiki(a)vpri.org> > Date: October 23, 2008 2:24:58 AM CEDT > To: The general-purpose Squeak developers list <squeak-dev(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org > >, etoys(a)lists.laptop.org > Subject: [squeak-dev] Fully Relicensed version of mainstream Squeak > Reply-To: The general-purpose Squeak developers list <squeak-dev(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org > > > > Hello, > > First of all, thank you for all the people who spend great deal of > time on fixing our server. I've been watching the IRC log > (http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/squeak/) and was admiring the work! > > As mentioned in the leadership discussion minutes from Craig, the > plan now is as follows: > > - Make Squeak version 4.0. This is based on the 3.11 effort but > get rid of or rewrite code that are not relicensed and make a > fully relicensed version relatively conservatively. Etoys 4.0 is > now fully relicensed, and we can bring the removal and rewrite > changesets from that stream. > > - Craig continue to work on the Spoon based system. It is dubbed > Squeak 5.0. (My personal opinion is that because it is fairly > different, it could have a different name, but...) > > BTW, during the Etoys' relicensing effort, I made a little web app > that lets you view *all history* from Squeak V1 to the latest version: > > http://tinlizzie.org:8080/seaside/examples/authorship2 > > I can make a similar page for 3.10 or such, and also give a tool to > check the unlicened code in a particular code base. > > Ken and Mathew, how does it sound? > > -- Yoshiki > >

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[Pharo-project] Server down ?
by Frederic Pluquet Oct. 23, 2008

Oct. 23, 2008

Hello, I couldn't access to the http://gforge.inria.fr/ server. Is it down ? FrÃ©d -- FrÃ©dÃ©ric Pluquet UniversitÃ© Libre de Bruxelles (ULB) Assistant http://www.ulb.ac.be/di/fpluquet

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[Pharo-project] Issue 260 cleanup hasLiteralThorough
by Gwenael Casaccio Oct. 23, 2008

Oct. 23, 2008

Hello, I've renamed hasLiteralThorough: to #referesToLiteral: (cf http://www.squeaksource.com/PharoInbox/SLICE-cleanup-hasLiteralThorough-G.C…) . And I've also signed the license agreement if you can add me. Cheers, Gwenael Casaccio

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Re: [Pharo-project] OB annotation icons
by Lukas Renggli Oct. 22, 2008

Oct. 22, 2008

>> "Icons that show different concepts (and calling >> super and overriding a method are entirely different concepts, as well >> as putting a breakpoint or deprecating a method) and that hide each >> other are evil." > > Absolutely agree, hence that design. And in any case calling super is a > stupid indicator, especially when you know that it doesn't check that the > super call is a) to the same method or b) on every call path. The indicator > actually means 'might call some method declared in a superclass', which of > course you can easily do by calling a method that isn't overridden in the > declaring class, so what the hell use is that? Thank you for expressing it that clearly ;-) > OB is a good prototype, although IMO I disagree. I exclusively use OB in productive development on a daily bases for over 2 years now. > b) shouldn't include any action abstraction because that's best > handled in a completely different and system-wide fashion; I disagree. OB provides this system-wide abstraction. It is the fault of the other tools that don't use these abstractions. For example, I've written a process browser, debugger, inspector and several other tools in OB and they all benefit from the commands that already exist and that other people write as extensions (e.g. open a hierarchy browser from within the debugger). I agree that the abstraction is not optimal in all cases (e.g. text commands, applicability tests, ...), but it is definitely better than anything else I've seen so far. > different and system-wide fashion; c) is too messily tied to Morphic, with a > number of hacks; and relatedly, d) shouldn't extend existing Morphic > controls (such as lists) because they come with too much baggage (i.e. being > all things to all people). Earlier versions of OB were entirely separated from Morphic. Unfortunately it was tied to morphic over time as more and more people joined the development. I guess this happend due to laziness and lack of documentation and knowledge. Along the same lines: Every line of the model and view used to be tested with in-depth SUnit-Tests. Unfortunately that is not the case anymore either. People add features without writing tests. This is what happens, when an appealing and widely adapted projects entirely lacks a form of leadership. At some point there was an AJAX based web view and a XUL interface. I think somebody even made GTK view. Earlier versions of OB run in GemStone, with the view running in Squeak Morphic. There is an ongoing port for GST. Cheers, Lukas -- Lukas Renggli http://www.lukas-renggli.ch

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[Pharo-project] OB annotation icons
by Torsten Bergmann Oct. 22, 2008

Oct. 22, 2008

>use a strikethrough font style? +1 For icons: why not reuse some of the Eclipse icons. As far as I know they are free to use and some developers might be familiar with them [1]. Would also be good to work with small overlays/decorators as Eclipse does [2]. Bye Torsten [1] http://www.nur-scheuer.de/archives/243-Eclipse-Icons.html [2] http://www.eclipse.org/articles/Article-Decorators/decorators.html -- Ist Ihr Browser Vista-kompatibel? Jetzt die neuesten Browser-Versionen downloaden: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/browser

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[Pharo-project] OB annotation icons
by Dan Corneanu Oct. 22, 2008

Oct. 22, 2008

Does OB have any icon associated with deprecated methods?

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[Pharo-project] Looking for ImageSegment tests
by StÃ©phane Ducasse Oct. 22, 2008

Oct. 22, 2008

Hi all if by any chance you have some code that could be turned into tests, or some tests or some time to write tests for image segments this would be great because etoy is really deep inside image segment and I would really like to keep this beautiful idea working :) You see not everything is bad in Squeak :) Stef

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[Pharo-project] 10095: questions
by Alexandre Bergel Oct. 22, 2008

Oct. 22, 2008

Dear List, I just tried Pharo 10095. It looks very clean. I like that. Why is there only a simple change browser. Why not the double one? I always found the simple one less useful. How can I update Pharo ? Before the 'load update' in the left-hand flap provided it. Cheers, Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

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[Pharo-project] New pharo dev [10101]
by Damien Cassou Oct. 22, 2008

Oct. 22, 2008

New pharo-dev available at http://code.google.com/p/pharo/wiki/Downloads?tm=2. It only contains the packages you want (http://code.google.com/p/pharo/wiki/Packages) -- Damien Cassou Peter von der AhÃ©: Â«I'm beginning to see why Gilad wished us good luckÂ». (http://blogs.sun.com/ahe/entry/override_snafu)

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[Pharo-project] [ANN] Pharo Sprint, 26.10
by Marcus Denker Oct. 22, 2008

Oct. 22, 2008

Hi, We are organizing a Pharo Sprint (that is: a hacking session) about Pharo this Sunday. Date: 26.10 Time: Starting 11h Where? Lille, France Depending on how many people want to come. Likely it will be at Stef's place. Please send me an email ASAP if you want to join. Then we decide about the place and organize some food. Marcus -- Marcus Denker -- denker(a)iam.unibe.ch http://www.iam.unibe.ch/~denker

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