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Class comments need review (English speakers welcome)
by Cyril Ferlicot Delbecque March 27, 2016

March 27, 2016

Hi! I begun to improve the comments of Collection Sequenceable's classes. I would like the community to review few things: - The English! Since I learned English on video games let's say that my level in far from been perfect :) I most probably made mistakes and I would like English speakers to review that part. - The content. Maybe I wrote bad/useless informations? Maybe I forgot something? Maybe there is an implementation detail you know and that deserve to be in the comment? Maybe you have a cool example to add? - I did not improved the comment of some classes because I don't have enough knowledge on them. (Mostly SharedQueue, SparseLargeTable, SparseLargeArray) It would be welcome that people improve those comments. Or if you don't want to do it you can send me a message with a description of the class and example of usages in the system (since I think that they are used by the core of Pharo). I mostly changed those classes comment: - Interval - LinkedList - OrderedCollection - SortedCollection - OrderedDictionary - OrderedIdentityDictionary If you want to help you can merge this slice from Pharo50Inbox: Name: SLICE-Issue-16945-Improve-Collection-Sequenceable-comments-CyrilFerlicot.3 Author: CyrilFerlicot Time: 26 March 2016, 9:50:43.042998 pm UUID: 54adf1ee-27e4-49e3-ab07-2552486f5f62 Ancestors: SLICE-Issue-16945-Improve-Collection-Sequenceable-comments-CyrilFerlicot.2 Dependencies: Collections-Sequenceable-CyrilFerlicot.238 add example to OrderedIdentityDictionary Thank you in advance for your help! Let's make Pharo a user friendly environment. :) -- Cyril Ferlicot http://www.synectique.eu 165 Avenue Bretagne Lille 59000 France

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Because organization defeats time
by HernÃ¡n Morales Durand March 26, 2016

March 26, 2016

Some rules and policies of other big popular projects: Python ===== Voting Rules: https://www.python.org/psf/membership/ Membership roster: https://www.python.org/psf/members/ R = Release policies: http://r-pkgs.had.co.nz/release.html Ruby ==== https://www.ruby-lang.org/en/community/ruby-core/#coding-standards https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/projects/ruby/wiki/ReleaseEngineering Does Pharo have something similar? I am the only one who feel Pharo needs better rules/organization? Don't we have something to learn from other projects? HernÃ¡n

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[pharo-project/pharo-core] 073848: 50662
by GitHub March 26, 2016

March 26, 2016

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Fwd: Squeak 5 on Raspberry Pi
by Sean P. DeNigris March 26, 2016

March 26, 2016

> [Squeak 5 is] so *fast* (I have it running next to > Pharo, which is unusable slow as a GUI. Whereas Squeak 5 is zipping > along at Windows desktop speeds on the Pi (Model B). ----- Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Fwd-Squeak-5-on-Raspberry-Pi-tp4886416.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

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GTExample support is pretty cool!
by Alexandre Bergel March 26, 2016

March 26, 2016

hi! Not sure if some of you are aware of it. Stefan has been working on a support for example. Examples are accessible only by inspecting a class. Try to inspect Dictionary and you will see a tab examples. Inspect RTDSM (when you have Roassal loaded) to have graphical example. For the GT team: it would be great to have a better management of the Tab for classes. Currently it is a mess :-) Anyway, this example support is pretty cool! Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

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some news from the other front :)
by stepharo March 26, 2016

March 26, 2016

Hi we will run a beta of the mooc. We are nearly there. - I should finish to work on updated Pharo by Example - redo a pass on tiny blog to check what luc did and translate everything in english - do a pass on the lan exercise to include it in the Mooc USB Starter Kit and after that we will get done :) Of course we will have to package it and do more but we will be able to do something else

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[pharo-project/pharo-core]
by GitHub March 26, 2016

March 26, 2016

Branch: refs/tags/50662 Home: https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core

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[pharo-project/pharo-core]
by GitHub March 26, 2016

March 26, 2016

Branch: refs/tags/50661 Home: https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core

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[pharo-project/pharo-core] e6b9ee: 50661
by GitHub March 26, 2016

March 26, 2016

Branch: refs/heads/5.0 Home: https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core Commit: e6b9ee071d8bd1eccac563b8ab0fce718f728d3c https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core/commit/e6b9ee071d8bd1eccac563b8… Author: Jenkins Build Server <board(a)pharo-project.org> Date: 2016-03-26 (Sat, 26 Mar 2016) Changed paths: R Keymapping-Tests.package/KMDispatcherTestCase.class/class/as yet unclassified/keymapEventBuilderClass.st R Keymapping-Tests.package/KMKeymapTest.class/class/as yet unclassified/keymapEventBuilderClass.st R Keymapping-Tests.package/KeymapBuilderTest.class/class/as yet unclassified/keymapEventBuilderClass.st M Nautilus.package/NautilusUI.class/instance/source code area/compileAMethodFromCategory_withSource_notifying_.st R ScriptLoader50.package/ScriptLoader.class/instance/pharo - scripts/script50660.st A ScriptLoader50.package/ScriptLoader.class/instance/pharo - scripts/script50661.st R ScriptLoader50.package/ScriptLoader.class/instance/pharo - updates/update50660.st A ScriptLoader50.package/ScriptLoader.class/instance/pharo - updates/update50661.st M ScriptLoader50.package/ScriptLoader.class/instance/public/commentForCurrentUpdate.st M Tool-Base.package/AbstractTool.class/instance/class/addClassIn_.st M Tool-Base.package/AbstractTool.class/instance/class/addTraitIn_.st R Tool-Transcript.package/extension/ThreadSafeTranscript/class/examples.st R Tool-Transcript.package/extension/ThreadSafeTranscript/class/examplesConcurrent.st R Tool-Transcript.package/extension/ThreadSafeTranscript/class/examplesForegroundUpdate.st Log Message: ----------- 50661 17891 creating of a new method in "no messages" category does not update methods list in Nautilus https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/17891 16309 ThreadSafeTranscript>>examples doesnt work anymore https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/16309 16922 Nautilus: Using class pane menu entry "Add class" can cause problems https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/16922 17878 KM calls to unimplemented methods https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/17878 http://files.pharo.org/image/50/50661.zip

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Re: [Pharo-dev] [squeak-dev] Re: [Vm-dev] I would be extremely grateful for a reproducible case for the following Socket issue
by Eliot Miranda March 26, 2016

March 26, 2016

Hi Levente, the first thing to report is that this isn't a Cog-specific bug. It also reproduces using the trunk VM sources (4.15.3) and a freshly built linux VM with a 4.6 image. On Thu, Mar 24, 2016 at 2:16 AM, Levente Uzonyi <leves(a)caesar.elte.hu> wrote: > Hi Eliot, > > The snippet below, evaluated from a workspace, triggered the issue in less > than a minute for me, three times in a row. > Both processes will halt if #sloppyWaitForDataIfClosed: doesn't return > within a second. If you send #dataAvailable to the socket, you'll find that > it has data ready to be read, but its readSemaphore has no signal. > > Levente > > > Socket compile: 'sloppyWaitForDataIfClosed: closedBlock > > [(socketHandle ~~ nil > and: [self primSocketReceiveDataAvailable: socketHandle]) ifTrue: > [^self]. > self isConnected ifFalse: > [^closedBlock value]. > self readSemaphore wait] repeat' > classified: 'waiting'. > > [ > listenerSocket := Socket newTCP. > listenerSocket listenOn: 0 backlogSize: 4 interface: #[127 0 0 1]. > clientSocket := Socket newTCP. > clientSocket connectTo: #[127 0 0 1] port: listenerSocket > localPort. > clientSocket waitForConnectionFor: 1. > self assert: clientSocket isConnected. > serverSocket := listenerSocket waitForAcceptFor: 1. > self assert: serverSocket isConnected ] > ensure: [ listenerSocket destroy ]. > > serverProcess := [ > | shouldRun buffer bytesReceived waitDuration | > shouldRun := true. > buffer := ByteString new: 10. > waitDuration := 1 second. > [ > [ serverSocket sloppyWaitForDataIfClosed: [ shouldRun := > false ] ] > valueWithin: waitDuration > onTimeout: [ self halt ]. > buffer atAllPut: (Character value: 0). > bytesReceived := serverSocket receiveDataInto: buffer. > self assert: bytesReceived = 4. > self assert: (buffer first: 4) = 'PING'. > serverSocket sendData: 'PONG' ] repeat ] newProcess. > clientProcess := [ > | shouldRun buffer bytesReceived waitDuration | > shouldRun := true. > buffer := ByteString new: 10. > waitDuration := 1 second. > [ > clientSocket sendData: 'PING'. > [ clientSocket sloppyWaitForDataIfClosed: [ shouldRun := > false ] ] > valueWithin: waitDuration > onTimeout: [ self halt ]. > buffer atAllPut: (Character value: 0). > bytesReceived := clientSocket receiveDataInto: buffer. > self assert: bytesReceived = 4. > self assert: (buffer first: 4) = 'PONG' ] repeat ] > newProcess. > clientProcess priority: 39; resume. > serverProcess priority: 39; resume. > > "Evaluate these after debugging: > clientSocket destroy. > serverSocket destroy." > > > > On Wed, 23 Mar 2016, Eliot Miranda wrote: > > Hi Levente, >> On Wed, Mar 23, 2016 at 11:31 AM, Levente Uzonyi <leves(a)caesar.elte.hu> >> wrote: >> Hi Eliot, >> >> What sort of reproducibility are you looking for? Is it enough if >> it happens once every few hours or do you need something that you can >> trigger on demand? >> >> >> I'll take every few hours, but I'd prefer "in under 30 minutes". Getting >> warm and fuzzy feelings when trying to prove a negative with something that >> takes hours to run is very difficult. Let's say you have >> a case which reproduces in 8 hours 50% of the time. To reach 99% >> confidence level in a fix I'd have to run it for 8 * (50 log: 2) hours >> without seeing it reproduce, right? That's nearly 2 days; it could >> take weeks to fix :-( >> >> Levente >> >> >> >> _,,,^..^,,,_ >> best, Eliot >> >> > > > -- _,,,^..^,,,_ best, Eliot

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