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immediateByteSubclass: ?
by Stephane Ducasse May 12, 2017

May 12, 2017

Hi with guille we are working on a class parser and our game is to make sure that we can parse all the crazy class definitions among which variableWordSubclass: ephemeronSubclass: weakSubclass: variableByteSubclass: variableSubclass: immediateSubclass: subclass: aSubclassSymbol layout: And we found this method definition and it has no senders and we wonder if it is just plain deadcode? immediateByteSubclass: className instanceVariableNames: instvarNames classVariableNames: classVarNames package: package "Added to allow for a simplified subclass creation experience. " ^ self immediateSubclass: className instanceVariableNames: instvarNames classVariableNames: classVarNames package: package S & G

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Re: [Pharo-dev] [ann] bloc & cairo+morphic
by Tudor Girba May 12, 2017

May 12, 2017

Hi, It seems that my initial message generated a misunderstanding. My original blog post was meant to communicate two things: 1. That the known Bloc project has received a new feature that the community raised as a problem (i.e., host & backend). 2. Address the other concern that the community raised: how to sustain the Bloc development in terms of engineering effort. This is why we announced the financial support for the work of Alex that is valid from this point on. The post was certainly not intended to overlook the people that contributed to the overall project. I apologize if it looked like this. To clarify the historical perspective, we now added an explicit history page on the official project page: https://github.com/pharo-graphics/Bloc/blob/master/HISTORY.md I also changed the blog post to more clearly communicate the intent: http://www.humane-assessment.com/blog/bloc-flexible-backends-hosts/ I hope this addresses the concerns. I am really excited that Alain joined and that we can get even more traction around Bloc. Cheers, Doru > On May 12, 2017, at 7:56 AM, Stephane Ducasse <stepharo.self(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > BTW for an historical perspective > > RMoD me and igor were also involved far less than the effort of alain but as he mentioned it we collaborated on it. I spent time on documenting several versions and I stopped disgusted to see the total lack of attention for comments. > Then Rmod paid nearly a year of effort on Athens, SDL20 support, a year on TxText. I find really strange that we are not even mentioned in any support. > > Stef > > > On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 8:12 PM, Stephane Ducasse <stepharo.self(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Doru can you change the humane assessment blog post? > > > On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 8:07 PM, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: > Hi, > > Indeed, this is wonderful news that you will rejoin your baby project :). > > Cheers, > Doru > > > > On May 11, 2017, at 6:40 PM, Alexandre Bergel <alexandre.bergel(a)me.com> wrote: > > > > Hi Alain! > > > > Thanks for the mail (even if the historial part has always been pretty clear to me). > > We miss you! Be back soon! > > > > Cheers, > > Alexandre > > -- > > _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: > > Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu > > ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > > > > > > > >> On May 11, 2017, at 12:36 PM, Alain Plantec via Pharo-dev <pharo-dev(a)lists.pharo.org> wrote: > >> > >> > >> From: Alain Plantec <alain.plantec(a)yahoo.com> > >> Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] [ann] bloc & cairo+morphic > >> Date: May 11, 2017 at 12:36:36 PM GMT-3 > >> To: Pharo Development List <pharo-dev(a)lists.pharo.org> > >> Cc: Alain Plantec <alain.plantec(a)yahoo.com>, Moose-related development <moose-dev(a)list.inf.unibe.ch>, Any question about pharo is welcome <pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org> > >> > >> > >> Hello Doru, all, > >> > >> Iâm really happy to see Bloc progresses. > >> Even Iâm not active since more than one year, Bloc is still an important project for me. > >> > >> but let me complete this short historical presentation a little bit. > >> > >> Bloc is a project that I initiated in 2013 in collaboration with RMOD following experiments made around the ROME project. > >> The idea was to completely revisit the 2D framework of Pharo to address Morphic limits. > >> Following an invitation of the Software Composition Group (thanks to Oscar Nierstrasz and to Doru here), > >> I presented the first version of Bloc at Bern (March, 2015), then Doru and Aliaksel joined the project. > >> One year ago, during his PhD at Brest, Glenn Cavarle produced a new version of the Bloc infrastructure that is now the > >> one used together with the layouting system that was implemented by Aliaksel. > >> > >> Please, do not use the humane assessment web site but the github project one instead. > >> > >> I will restart working on Bloc/Brick soon in the context of a project that we recently signed with the Thales company. > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Cheers > >> > >> Alain > >> > >> > >>> On 8 mai 2017, at 23:00, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: > >>> > >>> Hi, > >>> > >>> We are happy to announce that based on the work of Glenn, Alex extended Bloc (Sparta) to work directly in the Morphic world using Cairo as a backend. > >>> > >>> Cairo is less powerful than Moz2D (see the screenshot below for an example), but the implementation addresses a concern that the community raised regarding a perceived increased liability due to the dependency to Moz2D. Essentially this means that Bloc can be treated as another graphical library that can coexist with Morphic without requiring any external VM plugin. > >>> > >>> <bloc-two-backends-morphic-host-figures.png> > >>> > >>> I would also like to point out that adding a new backend and host was possible because of the many iterations (including throwing away whole implementations) that Alex and Glenn went through. I think they did an amazing job. > >>> > >>> You can find a bit more details about Bloc here: > >>> http://www.humane-assessment.com/blog/bloc-flexible-backends-hosts/ > >>> > >>> Another issue raised regarding Bloc was that of the engineering effort required to make it a reality. That is why I would also like to announce that Alex joined feenk.com where he is primarily working on the graphical stack for Pharo. > >>> > >>> Cheers, > >>> Doru > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> www.tudorgirba.com > >>> www.feenk.com > >>> > >>> "To lead is not to demand things, it is to make them happen." > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Moose-dev mailing list > > Moose-dev(a)list.inf.unibe.ch > > https://www.list.inf.unibe.ch/listinfo/moose-dev > > -- > www.tudorgirba.com > www.feenk.com > > "Yesterday is a fact. > Tomorrow is a possibility. > Today is a challenge." > > > > > > > -- www.tudorgirba.com www.feenk.com "Presenting is storytelling."

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Re: [Pharo-dev] Missing plugins to make the vmProfiler work on Pharo
by csrabak＠bol.com.br May 12, 2017

May 12, 2017

On Thu, 11 May 2017 11:34:47 +0200, Cl?ment Bera <bera.clement(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Wed, May 10, 2017 at 8:12 PM, Esteban A. Maringolo > <emaringolo(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > 2017-05-10 13:38 GMT-03:00 Cl?ment Bera <bera.clement(a)gmail.com>: > > > On Wed, May 10, 2017 at 5:28 PM, Esteban A. Maringolo < > > emaringolo(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > >> If it is a plug-in, why does it need VM recompilation? > > > Internal plugins require VM recompilation. Only external plugins > > > do not. > > It was more of a semantic question, I'd expect a plug-in to be > > that, pluggable, as you say external plugins are. Or what is the > > "pluggability" of such plugins? > > > I would say there is 3 levels of pluggability: 1 non optional > internal plugin, pluggable because it can be replaced by another > internal plugin implementing the same API at VM compilation time. > Used for modularity of specific aspects of the VM. 2 optional > internal plugin, pluggable because it can be removed / added / > replaced at VM compilation time. Used to improve performance over > external plugin or to access VM functions not exposed to external > plugins. 3 external plugin, pluggable because it can be removed / > added / replaced after the VM is compiled. Used for all other > plugins. > So they're all pluggable in some way. > I'm on this vital industry for 45+ years and I already learned that words and names have usages and except when standarized via certains bodies aimed specifically the meaning can vary even within the same realm of the art. That written, and without attempting to start a semantic discussion, however feeling a contribution may be useful, I would say that the 'levels' one and two described above would better called "modules" instead of plugins. In my way of understanding this non mother tongue "compile time plugins" seem to be more a figure of speech than the offering of 'plugability' which plugins offer, or perhaps, in my humble perception ought to offer. Also, I think it would be less surprising for most people when exposed to the subject (module == compiling, plugin == run time). Just my 0,0199999.... -- Cesar Rabak

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[pharo-project/pharo-core]
by GitHub May 12, 2017

May 12, 2017

Branch: refs/tags/60486 Home: https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core

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[pharo-project/pharo-core] 4778e8: 60486
by GitHub May 12, 2017

May 12, 2017

Branch: refs/heads/6.0 Home: https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core Commit: 4778e8f6a49f99d25ca2860d8e36d4f08d545211 https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core/commit/4778e8f6a49f99d25ca2860d… Author: Jenkins Build Server <board(a)pharo-project.org> Date: 2017-05-12 (Fri, 12 May 2017) Changed paths: M BaselineOfIDE.package/BaselineOfIDE.class/instance/actions/additionalInitialization.st M BaselineOfIDE.package/BaselineOfIDE.class/instance/baseline/baseline_.st M BaselineOfIDE.package/BaselineOfIDE.class/instance/baseline/groups_.st M BaselineOfMorphic.package/BaselineOfMorphic.class/instance/actions/postload_package_.st M Glamour-Morphic-Brick.package/GLMHorizontalLinearLayout.class/instance/width/widthParentDependency_.st M Glamour-Morphic-Brick.package/GLMLinearLayout.class/instance/testing/hasWidthRestrictions_.st M Glamour-Morphic-Brick.package/GLMTabSelectorBrick.class/instance/actions/updateTabs.st R ScriptLoader60.package/ScriptLoader.class/instance/pharo - scripts/script60485.st A ScriptLoader60.package/ScriptLoader.class/instance/pharo - scripts/script60486.st R ScriptLoader60.package/ScriptLoader.class/instance/pharo - updates/update60485.st A ScriptLoader60.package/ScriptLoader.class/instance/pharo - updates/update60486.st M ScriptLoader60.package/ScriptLoader.class/instance/public/commentForCurrentUpdate.st Log Message: ----------- 60486 20050 Theme must be reset at the end of BaselineOfIDE loading https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/20050 20051 Tab labels in Glamour should not shrink if there is available space https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/20051 20049 TravisIntegrationHelp is not loaded into the bootstrapped image https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/20049 http://files.pharo.org/image/60/60486.zip

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Re: [Pharo-dev] [Pharo-users] [ann] bloc & cairo+morphic
by Alexandre Bergel May 11, 2017

May 11, 2017

Hi Alain! Thanks for the mail (even if the historial part has always been pretty clear to me). We miss you! Be back soon! Cheers, Alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;. > On May 11, 2017, at 12:36 PM, Alain Plantec via Pharo-dev <pharo-dev(a)lists.pharo.org> wrote: > > > From: Alain Plantec <alain.plantec(a)yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] [ann] bloc & cairo+morphic > Date: May 11, 2017 at 12:36:36 PM GMT-3 > To: Pharo Development List <pharo-dev(a)lists.pharo.org> > Cc: Alain Plantec <alain.plantec(a)yahoo.com>, Moose-related development <moose-dev(a)list.inf.unibe.ch>, Any question about pharo is welcome <pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org> > > > Hello Doru, all, > > Iâm really happy to see Bloc progresses. > Even Iâm not active since more than one year, Bloc is still an important project for me. > > but let me complete this short historical presentation a little bit. > > Bloc is a project that I initiated in 2013 in collaboration with RMOD following experiments made around the ROME project. > The idea was to completely revisit the 2D framework of Pharo to address Morphic limits. > Following an invitation of the Software Composition Group (thanks to Oscar Nierstrasz and to Doru here), > I presented the first version of Bloc at Bern (March, 2015), then Doru and Aliaksel joined the project. > One year ago, during his PhD at Brest, Glenn Cavarle produced a new version of the Bloc infrastructure that is now the > one used together with the layouting system that was implemented by Aliaksel. > > Please, do not use the humane assessment web site but the github project one instead. > > I will restart working on Bloc/Brick soon in the context of a project that we recently signed with the Thales company. > > Thanks, > Cheers > > Alain > > >> On 8 mai 2017, at 23:00, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> We are happy to announce that based on the work of Glenn, Alex extended Bloc (Sparta) to work directly in the Morphic world using Cairo as a backend. >> >> Cairo is less powerful than Moz2D (see the screenshot below for an example), but the implementation addresses a concern that the community raised regarding a perceived increased liability due to the dependency to Moz2D. Essentially this means that Bloc can be treated as another graphical library that can coexist with Morphic without requiring any external VM plugin. >> >> <bloc-two-backends-morphic-host-figures.png> >> >> I would also like to point out that adding a new backend and host was possible because of the many iterations (including throwing away whole implementations) that Alex and Glenn went through. I think they did an amazing job. >> >> You can find a bit more details about Bloc here: >> http://www.humane-assessment.com/blog/bloc-flexible-backends-hosts/ >> >> Another issue raised regarding Bloc was that of the engineering effort required to make it a reality. That is why I would also like to announce that Alex joined feenk.com where he is primarily working on the graphical stack for Pharo. >> >> Cheers, >> Doru >> >> >> -- >> www.tudorgirba.com >> www.feenk.com >> >> "To lead is not to demand things, it is to make them happen." >> >> >> >> > > > >

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Re: [Pharo-dev] [Pharo-users] [ann] bloc & cairo+morphic
by Stephane Ducasse May 11, 2017

May 11, 2017

Hi alain This is great to know that you can now work officially on Bloc and I really hope that your project with Thales will succeed. We need a strong Pharo. After more than 5 years of discussions with Thales I'm happy to see coming truth. People do not imagine the amount of energy we can spend sometimes :) And indeed you are right! I was sad to see that you are not even part of the github team after all the effort you spent on Bloc (and Miro and Miro2). I think that I was just the guy asking stupid questions but indeed this is true that it was in collaboration with Rmod, thank to mention it. I also agree with you that this is important that your work is respected and acknowledged and indeed I do not see how it relates to humane assessment. Stef On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 5:36 PM, Alain Plantec via Pharo-dev < pharo-dev(a)lists.pharo.org> wrote: > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Alain Plantec <alain.plantec(a)yahoo.com> > To: Pharo Development List <pharo-dev(a)lists.pharo.org> > Cc: Alain Plantec <alain.plantec(a)yahoo.com>, Moose-related development < > moose-dev(a)list.inf.unibe.ch>, Any question about pharo is welcome < > pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org> > Bcc: > Date: Thu, 11 May 2017 17:36:36 +0200 > Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] [ann] bloc & cairo+morphic > Hello Doru, all, > > Iâm really happy to see Bloc progresses. > Even Iâm not active since more than one year, Bloc is still an important > project for me. > > but let me complete this short historical presentation a little bit. > > Bloc is a project that I initiated in 2013 in collaboration with RMOD > following experiments made around the ROME project. > The idea was to completely revisit the 2D framework of Pharo to address > Morphic limits. > Following an invitation of the Software Composition Group (thanks to Oscar > Nierstrasz and to Doru here), > I presented the first version of Bloc at Bern (March, 2015), then Doru and > Aliaksel joined the project. > One year ago, during his PhD at Brest, Glenn Cavarle produced a new > version of the Bloc infrastructure that is now the > one used together with the layouting system that was implemented by > Aliaksel. > > Please, do not use the humane assessment web site but the github project > one instead. > > I will restart working on Bloc/Brick soon in the context of a project that > we recently signed with the Thales company. > > Thanks, > Cheers > > Alain > > > > On 8 mai 2017, at 23:00, Tudor Girba <tudor(a)tudorgirba.com> wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > We are happy to announce that based on the work of Glenn, Alex extended > Bloc (Sparta) to work directly in the Morphic world using Cairo as a > backend. > > > > Cairo is less powerful than Moz2D (see the screenshot below for an > example), but the implementation addresses a concern that the community > raised regarding a perceived increased liability due to the dependency to > Moz2D. Essentially this means that Bloc can be treated as another graphical > library that can coexist with Morphic without requiring any external VM > plugin. > > > > <bloc-two-backends-morphic-host-figures.png> > > > > I would also like to point out that adding a new backend and host was > possible because of the many iterations (including throwing away whole > implementations) that Alex and Glenn went through. I think they did an > amazing job. > > > > You can find a bit more details about Bloc here: > > http://www.humane-assessment.com/blog/bloc-flexible-backends-hosts/ > > > > Another issue raised regarding Bloc was that of the engineering effort > required to make it a reality. That is why I would also like to announce > that Alex joined feenk.com where he is primarily working on the graphical > stack for Pharo. > > > > Cheers, > > Doru > > > > > > -- > > www.tudorgirba.com > > www.feenk.com > > > > "To lead is not to demand things, it is to make them happen." > > > > > > > > > > > >

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[ann] bloc & cairo+morphic
by Tudor Girba May 11, 2017

May 11, 2017

Hi, We are happy to announce that based on the work of Glenn, Alex extended Bloc (Sparta) to work directly in the Morphic world using Cairo as a backend. Cairo is less powerful than Moz2D (see the screenshot below for an example), but the implementation addresses a concern that the community raised regarding a perceived increased liability due to the dependency to Moz2D. Essentially this means that Bloc can be treated as another graphical library that can coexist with Morphic without requiring any external VM plugin. I would also like to point out that adding a new backend and host was possible because of the many iterations (including throwing away whole implementations) that Alex and Glenn went through. I think they did an amazing job. You can find a bit more details about Bloc here: http://www.humane-assessment.com/blog/bloc-flexible-backends-hosts/ Another issue raised regarding Bloc was that of the engineering effort required to make it a reality. That is why I would also like to announce that Alex joined feenk.com where he is primarily working on the graphical stack for Pharo. Cheers, Doru -- www.tudorgirba.com www.feenk.com "To lead is not to demand things, it is to make them happen."

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Pharo-Jenkins github user
by Guillermo Polito May 11, 2017

May 11, 2017

Hi everybody, I wanted to create a github user to use for ci integration (pharo-ci), and while configuring it I saw there is already a Pharo-Jenkins user. https://github.com/Pharo-Jenkins Does somebody know who is the user? Guille -- Guille Polito Research Engineer French National Center for Scientific Research - *http://www.cnrs.fr* <http://www.cnrs.fr> *Web:* *http://guillep.github.io* <http://guillep.github.io> *Phone: *+33 06 52 70 66 13

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[Zinc] How do I set the entry limit for ZnMultiValueDictionary?
by Max Leske May 11, 2017

May 11, 2017

Hi, I'm performing a legal request that has more than 4000 parameters. This causes the Zinc server to return 400: Bad Request because ZnMultiValueDictionary is limited to 256 entries by default. The dictionary has the option to remove the limit or to adjust it with a dynamic variable. Unfortunately, I don't see any way to properly configure this without monkey patching Zinc. Ideally, I'd like to remove the limit (which can't be done through the dynamic variable by the way because when the dynamic variable answers nil, the default will be set to 256). The first thing that comes to mind is to move this setting to ZnConstants, but then I don't see any way to configure ZnConstants either (ZnConstants is referenced directly by its users). Maybe ZnConstants could be changed to hold a concrete constants class (itself by default). In any case, I think this setting should be configurable and the configuration should be possible through one single entry point, together with options like #codec. Thoughts? Cheers, Max

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