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[Pharo-project] Keeping track of external issues
by Norbert Hartl July 9, 2008

July 9, 2008

I played a little with the squeak and the mantis tickets. First, I decided to use the usual way to indicate a mantis bug number: M1234. This way it is easily distinguishable from other version numbers. Then I changed the title of the mantis tickets to follow the number convention. M6355: [ENH] Lots of tests for Collections I started to change the squeak issues to include the mantis numbers in the title. It is in () at the end of the title. E.g. 7073 CollectionAndCollectionTest (M3574 M5700 M6367 M6777) So, if you are looking for a mantis number just search for Mantis and Squeak Tickets: http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/list?can=1&q=label%3AType-Mantis +OR+label%3AType-Squeak You get a page with all mantis numbers on it. I think this way it is not too hard to keep track. If you have a shell und you love nasty one liners you can do: wget -O - "http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/list?q=label:Type-Mantis%20OR% 20label:Type-Squeak&can=1" | perl -ne 'while(m/(M[0-9]+)/g) { print "$1 \n"; }' | sort which outputs: M2446 M3568 M3574 M4654 M5251 M5392 M5567 M5619 M5641 M5700 M5704 M6070 M6355 M6367 M6402 M6405 M6520 M6702 M6711 M6777 M7090 M7107 hope you like it, Norbert

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[Pharo-project] compiler fixing _ -> :=
by StÃ©phane Ducasse July 8, 2008

July 8, 2008

marcus math could'nt you fix the compiler to read := _ and generate := ? Stef

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[Pharo-project] Re: Pharo Smalltalk
by StÃ©phane Ducasse July 8, 2008

July 8, 2008

>>> Couldn't you do this on Squeak? >> > > So, couldn't you continue on Squeak? Because - 1 we need freedom. We do not want to maintain: etoy, nebraska, alice and the like. We do not want to have other people putting stress and their dreams on us. We did that for 3.9 and people pissed on us (random refactorers...) complained that we pushed traits in Squeak..... read the archives of the mailing-list everything is there. - 2 people said that we did not have a process, that social engineering was the solution (which is true when you apply it). - 3 we proposed a 3.10 roadmap and people complained. - 4 we proposed our help to 3.10 but it was declined. - 6 after the sad adventure of 3.10 and the lack of reaction of people we decided that we did our best. in 3.9 we harvested 625 bugs fixed but apparently this was not valuable. We think that 3.9 was a positive experience even if marcus got sick and burnt out. - 7 The squeak model is flawed. We do not want a model were consumers can put exigences on producers. Even if good customers are important and this is why we want to have Aida/Seaside and a lot of cool projects to run on pharo. - 8 I'm sick of opening squeak and having to turn my eyes from problems. After a certain point we should learn and take decision even if they are not easy. > I can't understand why you forked the project instead of improving it. Because we do not want to have complain all the times. We want to be able to invent the future, rethink design decision, apply good practices but not maintain the cool but old features and experiments of others. Sorry but we did that and now this is over. We are also sorry but we do not believe in big bang changes and we waited too much after spoon. So may be we are wrong, probably but again we had to do something for ourselves. >> I do not know. >> FunSqueak ;D > > So you quit Squeak... Not really. We will work on a new Volume Two and we did not renamed yet our book Pharo by Example :) May be pharo will be a cool squeak distribution or something else. For now our focus is getting things done. > I still can't see a valid reason for this fork. There are plenty of them but may be you are not in the right places to understand them. Here is an extra one. I have no choice this is pharo or ruby and I'm not joking. I was terribly sad when I see people willing to go back to 3.8! We spent a lot of energy to make sure that the forks could reunite but now this is over. We tried to really make a better Squeak and got sick, burnt and more. So now if I do not want to destroy the little flame we have for Smalltalk we **must** do pharo, because this is like new dry wood that you put on the fire place. It brings exciting future. Stef

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[Pharo-project] pharo website proposal
by Samuel MORELLO July 8, 2008

July 8, 2008

Hi all, Please find a proposal for the pharo website. The example text is from the iolanguage website because i like this site and the way they present the language and the content. (structure and clarity) I know that the stained texture can seems strange, may be at first, but this allow to bring colors and a nice texture like water or stars with imagniation ;-) http://www.ouvanous.com/images/pharo/pharo-ws-design-0.1.png and a new version of the logo http://www.ouvanous.com/images/pharo/ppharo-0.8.0.pdf Hope you will like it Regards, Samuel

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[Pharo-project] Just a game?
by Norbert Hartl July 8, 2008

July 8, 2008

Have a look at http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pharo It's in german but you can access the english version which is written "faro". If you translate the first paragraph from german to english (word by word) it reads as '...is a lottery card game with french playing cards" :) On the english site you can read that there were prominent faro dealers: Doc Holiday and Wyatt Earp. What a name you can get if you leave out a single letter. I didn't recognize that pharos is a lighthouse but pharo is not. Norbert

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[Pharo-project] testmail
by Norbert Hartl July 8, 2008

July 8, 2008

I have the impression that inria mails are not working. This is a test, please ignore! Norbert

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[Pharo-project] Fwd: [squeak-dev] All tests running green
by StÃ©phane Ducasse July 7, 2008

July 7, 2008

>> Damien Cassou wrote: >>> On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 10:56 AM, laurent laffont >>> <laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>>> I think the information we need looks like >>>>> http://speedy.cs.uiuc.edu/~johnson/testResults/3.10alpha.7105-none.html >>>>> . >>>>> Ralph Johnson wrote a tool to generate these reports but I don't >>>>> know >>>>> more than that. You can ask him. >>>>> >>>> Done. >>>> >>>> I think the way to do it is to periodically download last dev >>>> image, >>>> run the tests, output the results to a file and upload it to a >>>> webserver. I think we can do this with a simple bash script and a >>>> cron >>>> task. Is it possible to run all the Squeak tests from the command >>>> line ? >>>> >>> >>> Yes. First create a text file which contains the Smalltalk >>> instructions to run the tests you want. You might want to look at >>> classes TestCase and TestRunner to find what to write in this file. >>> >>> Then, you have to pass the full path of that file as the last >>> parameter to Squeak >>> >> There is a version of TestRunner in 'SUnit-improved' (however some >> needed code needs to be retrieved from the history) that takes >> parameters from the command line using Installer-Launcher (part of >> LPF) to invoke them. >> >> TestRunner can be configured to report its results using >> TestReporter generating results to files, which when served by an >> appropriately configured web server (apache + some icons) give you >> both a progress status and red/green/yellow pass indication in your >> web browser and a script to load into a fileList and re-run tests >> via doIts. >> >> TestReporter can be run standalone without TestRunner which runs >> the tests without an in image UI. >> >> This will all be a standard part of Sake/Bob, an auto image build/ >> testing tool built upon Sake. (Bob version 1 was written in ruby, >> so the ideas have been tested, we just await the smalltalk version. >> There is also a server ready to be put to work on this) >> >> regards >> >> Keith >> >> > > > >

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[Pharo-project] WideStringTest>>testSubstrings
by Norbert Hartl July 7, 2008

July 7, 2008

Stef, you propably missed my comment on the last SLICE. You need to do a String initialize to cope the changes. After that the test will succeed. Norbert

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July 7, 2008

Hi guys Here is the summary of the discussion we got with mike today. In the context of the ESUG sponsored effort mike and john will work on making the - VM sleeping correctly, - using a semaphore do avoid event polling and all the rest related to that. - fixing the event handling. Now the point is that mike will not change Morph, just clean what is needed so that the event system and the polling gets cleaned. The idea is that Morph cannot be cleaned. In parallel mike has been working on ySqueak and in this context he worked on a new morphic model. Now we should learn from squeak and make sure that we have an infrastructure that allows one to plug difference UI frameworks (no "Smalltalk isMorphic" in the future). In addition we want to make sure: - that we can plug different UIFrameworks (Miro, Morphic30, YSqueak or something else) - kernel class do not depend on UI. So mike based on his sophie experience designed a new event model based on Announcement which support well multiple input devices, different platform key, different windowing bindings for future native support. So the idea is the following: - let make Morphic smaller and cleaner but acknowledge that Morphic is not the long term future. - mike will produce a new event model, that the other UI frameworks could use and extend. He will ask fro feedback. - Agree that we use announcement as an infrastructural foundation. - make sure (with your help and feedback) that we can plug another UI framework (in particular in the event loop handler should support a registration mechanism. - It would be nice to see how miro can use the new event model and be plug in pharo as well as the ySqueak new model. I would like to lower the frustration of people. The point is not to chose a framework against another one but to make sure that we can load and plug different frameworks. So please comment. Stef

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[Pharo-project] Pharo Logo
by Lukas Renggli July 7, 2008

July 7, 2008

Where do I find the Pharo logo (that is now included in the latest images) as a PDF? Cheers, Lukas -- Lukas Renggli http://www.lukas-renggli.ch

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