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[Pharo-project] Re-Invention of Smalltalk
by Geert Claes Feb. 3, 2009

Feb. 3, 2009

I fully agree with StÃ©phane that it is time to re-invent Smalltalk! Smalltalk could once again allow someone to invent the future. Pharo could become some sort of "Smalltalk in the cloud", which in the true spirit of Smalltalk would include: - a common language; - an integrated development environment and; - shared open source packages/classes. The main challenges for Pharo are probably: Step 1. to make the development environment more intuitive (remove all non-core packages); Step 2. to simplify collaborating on a project online and; Step 3. to make sharing and distributing non-core packages transparent. Pharo currently seems to be focussing mainly on Step 1. I believe Pharo is on the right track because a bigger active community will maximise innovation, and to get more people involved, the environment will need to be more intuitive. For Step 2 and 3 Pharo may need to have a look at some sort of integrated Monticello, SqueakMap, Package Universe mix in the form of a Pharo GitHub? Anyway, as it is now Pharo is still a bit too complex for me, but I will keep a close eye on Pharo! On a side note: Electronic mailing lists have been around - and have been very effective - long before there were any online discussion forums. As a project promoting innovation, I believe that project members should be able to read, post and subscribe to project related discussions on the project website without having to subscribe to a mailing list (and sorry but gmane sucks). Cheers, Geert

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[Pharo-project] Questions, Ideas, suggestions?
by Geert Claes Feb. 2, 2009

Feb. 2, 2009

First of all I have to say that I really like the idea behind Pharo - especially the "Pharo wants to help people invent the future" one! I managed to find where to lodge issues but where should one submit questions, ideas and/or suggestions? I am not a bit fan of mailing lists so I was wondering if the mailing list will be available from Nabble? Since Google Code is used why not simply use Google Groups? The Pharo image already has a lot of UI improvements over the default Squeak image but I still think that the default (and only) font is an ugly font. The font in Ramon's customized Pharo image is a little better but his font is too big. Since the windowing looks like a Mac why not use a nice font too? Anyway, a nice default font would be nice.

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Re: [Pharo-project] Questions, Ideas, suggestions?
by Bill Schwab Feb. 2, 2009

Feb. 2, 2009

Others can correct/amend as appropriate, but a few answers: Mailing lists have long been used for Squeak, and it is part of the culture. One good thing is that they are archived and searchable, IF you know where to look. If you can tolerate some link-rot, you can start here: http://www.anest.ufl.edu/users/wschwab/Squeak.htm to get to archives of the various lists. Re fonts, IIRC, more will come with time. A high priority is to clean up the licenses all around, and that includes the fonts. As "ugly" as they are, I like mono-space fonts for code. Bill Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D. University of Florida Department of Anesthesiology PO Box 100254 Gainesville, FL 32610-0254 Email: bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu Tel: (352) 273-6785 FAX: (352) 392-7029 Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D. University of Florida Department of Anesthesiology PO Box 100254 Gainesville, FL 32610-0254 Email: bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu Tel: (352) 273-6785 FAX: (352) 392-7029 >>> geert.wl.claes(a)gmail.com 02/01/09 8:50 PM >>> First of all I have to say that I really like the idea behind Pharo - especially the "Pharo wants to help people invent the future" one! I managed to find where to lodge issues but where should one submit questions, ideas and/or suggestions? I am not a bit fan of mailing lists so I was wondering if the mailing list will be available from Nabble? Since Google Code is used why not simply use Google Groups? The Pharo image already has a lot of UI improvements over the default Squeak image but I still think that the default (and only) font is an ugly font. The font in Ramon's customized Pharo image is a little better but his font is too big. Since the windowing looks like a Mac why not use a nice font too? Anyway, a nice default font would be nice.

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Re: [Pharo-project] Questions, Ideas, suggestions?
by Bill Schwab Feb. 2, 2009

Feb. 2, 2009

Others can correct/amend as appropriate, but a few answers: Mailing lists have long been used for Squeak, and it is part of the culture. One good thing is that they are archived and searchable, IF you know where to look. If you can tolerate some link-rot, you can start here: http://www.anest.ufl.edu/users/wschwab/Squeak.htm to get to archives of the various lists. Re fonts, IIRC, more will come with time. A high priority is to clean up the licenses all around, and that includes the fonts. As "ugly" as they are, I like mono-space fonts for code. Bill Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D. University of Florida Department of Anesthesiology PO Box 100254 Gainesville, FL 32610-0254 Email: bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu Tel: (352) 273-6785 FAX: (352) 392-7029 >>> geert.wl.claes(a)gmail.com 02/01/09 8:50 PM >>> First of all I have to say that I really like the idea behind Pharo - especially the "Pharo wants to help people invent the future" one! I managed to find where to lodge issues but where should one submit questions, ideas and/or suggestions? I am not a bit fan of mailing lists so I was wondering if the mailing list will be available from Nabble? Since Google Code is used why not simply use Google Groups? The Pharo image already has a lot of UI improvements over the default Squeak image but I still think that the default (and only) font is an ugly font. The font in Ramon's customized Pharo image is a little better but his font is too big. Since the windowing looks like a Mac why not use a nice font too? Anyway, a nice default font would be nice.

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[Pharo-project] MVCMenuMorph and Flaps status
by Alain Plantec Feb. 2, 2009

Feb. 2, 2009

Hi all, I'm on MVCMenuMorph removal (http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=197) I'm just trying to isolate all impacted classes and methods. In current pharo core, MVCMenuMorph has only 3 users. One of them is Flaps class>>addLocalFlap. Since they are no more reachable from menus (as far as I known), The question is what is the status of flaps ? Are they to be removed ? (i would vote yes) Project removal (if done) is also concerned because a lot of Project methods are related to flaps. thanks alain

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Re: [Pharo-project] [MC] [ANN] Sourcetalk
by Lukas Renggli Feb. 2, 2009

Feb. 2, 2009

The complete documentation on Sourcetalk of Andrea Quadri is now online. This includes technical documentation and a users guide: http://www.iam.unibe.ch/~scg/cgi-bin/scgbib.cgi?query=Quadri Cheers, Lukas -- Lukas Renggli http://www.lukas-renggli.ch

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[Pharo-project] [ANN] 10217 and 10218
by StÃ©phane Ducasse Feb. 1, 2009

Feb. 1, 2009

10217 Polymorph Small tweak to drop-list/expander up/down arrow. #taskbarLabel available to SystemWindow subclasses and models to provide potentially abbreviated label. PreferenceBrowser integration classes moved to Theme sub-package. Tweaks to Preference Browser. Cmd+W (in addition to Cmd+Delete) now closes system window with focus. #ByteArray support - literal byte arrays are now also parsed as part of a literal array without the hash #( [ 1 2 ] #[ 1 2 ] ) - hardened the tests - added support for literal byte arrays to the compiler - the implementation is compatible with GST and VW - added 6 tests for the new functionality - storeOn: + printOn: fixed #[1 2 3 ] -> #[1 2 3] 10218 isLiteral "so that #(1 #[1 2 3] 5) prints itself" ^ true Good night We should fix the tests! Stef

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Feb. 1, 2009

Hi lukas apparently there is a conflict on the method initialize of the character class as well as in atRandom. Can you check because I do not understand why I should get these conflicts. Stef

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[Pharo-project] .changes not found after a condenseChanges
by Alexandre Bergel Feb. 1, 2009

Feb. 1, 2009

Hi! After having done a "Smalltalk condenseChanges" changes, I got the following error: Cheers, alexandre -- _,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;: Alexandre Bergel http://www.bergel.eu ^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;._,.;:~^~:;.

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Feb. 1, 2009

Issue 443: Trait users identity set gets into inconsistent state - ClassBuilder fix for http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=443 - Fix ClassBuilder bug introduced by http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=246 - Adds TPureBehavior>>withAllSubclassesDo: to provide polymorphism between classes and traits'.

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