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Re: [Pharo-project] [Vm-dev] hampering the desire of the VM and image to visit every object at startup time (multiple times)
by John M McIntosh April 14, 2009

April 14, 2009

Yes, so WikiServer ( http://www.mobilewikiserver.com ) is an image file of 10.5 MB. As startup only 4.5 MB of OOPS memory is faulted in, and about 700K of memory is altered, which reduces initial memory use by 6MB and reduces the startup time by 3+ seconds. Given the slow speed of the iPhone, and the fact I've a 64MB limit, 6MB is a lot, and 3 seconds is welcome. Unfortunately a full GC will fault all that 10.5 MB in, however by doing some GC tuning one can avoid a full GC until things are quite stressed. I note on os-x desktop machines the entire 10.5MB is read in and the pages marked as non-referenced, but obviously the rules for the virtual memory subsystem are different. First let me suggest we change writeImageFileIO /* header size in bytes; do not change! */ headerSize = 64; f = sqImageFileOpen(imageName, "wb"); from 64 bytes to 4096 bytes, if possible. Now let's explore why, and what is going on. on unix if you decide to use mmap versus malloc to allocate storage for oops space it does #define MAP_PROT (PROT_READ | PROT_WRITE) #define MAP_FLAGS (MAP_ANON | MAP_PRIVATE) mmap(0, heapLimit, MAP_PROT, MAP_FLAGS, devZero, 0) where heapLimit is usually 1GB, start location zero. This returns a start location somewhere in memory, never zero, and generally we have to swizzle all the object pointer. On a save and restart of the squeak app the address you get back *maybe* the same address, if it is the same we don't need to swizzle pointers, however OpenBSD based systems likely will always give a different location for security reasons. I had then set a start location of 128MB, but found on os-x as the number of apps goes up you don't get 128MB, so I settled on 500MB which seems ok. 8GB pro macs running 52 applications fail at 500MB, but the failure is it chooses it's own address, so we don't care... Well yes that limits your squeak image to 3.5GB but it's doubtful that a 32bit system will let you allocate a contiguous chunk of memory > 2 GB anyway. Now the next issue was the original memory allocation logic would give you the 1GB, and you would read the entire image into that memory area. In thinking about this I thought why can't you mmap to the image file for the size of the file rounded up to the page size, then mmap after that memory to anonymous memory upto the desired heapsize. So two mmaps, one for the file, followed by another for young space. I implemented this for the os-x vm and the iPhone VM. In testing with a 500 Mhz powerpc laptop, I found the startup time was reduced by 30% because it would fault in say a 20MB page by page as it did the needless flush primitive calls logic, versus reading the 20mb into memory, the virtual memory pager was just more efficient at pullling in the data either by better I/O processing, or faster logic in finding the free pages. Problems: It turns out there is a flaw in the OS-X BSD mmap logic when you mmap files on NFS drives, it hangs, and some people with I think overstressed systems reported issues with the first mmap failing. Because of this I reverted back to the old logic by default, and put a flag in the info.plist SqueakUseFileMappedMMAP to enable the new logic. Obviously for Linux you have to decide if this flaw exists and has not been fixed? Now the problem with headerSize In the file mmap case the entire file is mapped into memory at 500MB, but the oops space starts at 64 bytes, so memory is at 500MB+64 In the anonymous mmap case memory starts at 500MB, but the oops space starts at 0, so memory is at 500MB. If the headersize was 4096 we could mmap the file at 500MB-4096, Or alter the anonymous case we could allocate at 500MB but stick the oops space at 500MB +64 (header size). However by using a headerSize of 4096 we can then get the oops space to start on a page boundary, which may or may not have implications. Anyway it would be good to resolve this bit of tricky logic. I stuck the following code into ioRelinquishProcessorForMicroseconds() since ioRelinquishProcessorForMicroseconds will only get triggered once the image finishes all it's startup logic and becomes *idle*. So that I could determine how each page was viewed by the virtual memory subsystem. xtern unsigned char *memory; extern usqInt sqGetAvailableMemory(); extern size_t fileRoundedUpToPageSize; size_t pageSize= getpagesize(); size_t vmpagesize=sqGetAvailableMemory()/pageSize + 1; char *what = malloc(vmpagesize); int err = mincore(memory, sqGetAvailableMemory(), what); int countRef=0, countMod=0,countZero=0, countOne=0, i; for (i=0;i<fileRoundedUpToPageSize/pageSize;i++) { if(what[i] == 0) countZero++; if(what[i] == 1) countOne++; if(what[i] == 3) countRef++; if(what[i] == 7) countMod++; {break for debugging here} } free(what); On 14-Apr-09, at 1:58 AM, Bert Freudenberg wrote: > > On 14.04.2009, at 07:26, John M McIntosh wrote: > >> I created a pharo entry to track the problem the VM & image has in >> wanting to visit every smalltalk object multiple times at startup >> time. >> Athought this behavior is masked by Gigaherz processors, it's very >> evident as a problem on the iPhone. Fixing it results in reducing >> MB of RAM memory usage and saves actual "seconds* of clock time at >> startup. >> >> http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=737&colspec=ID%20Type%20Sta… > > Very nice. We experimented in that direction for OLPC which also is > comparatively slow CPU wise, and even slower loading the whole image > from the flash disk (which involves decompressing). Mmapping only > the pages needed should give a considerable boost. > > Do we have evidence that an mmap base address of 500 MB works across > platforms? > > - Bert - > -- = = = ======================================================================== John M. McIntosh <johnmci(a)smalltalkconsulting.com> Corporate Smalltalk Consulting Ltd. http://www.smalltalkconsulting.com = = = ========================================================================

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[Pharo-project] MessageTally is not reentrant: I cannot RunProfiled some tests
by Nicolas Cellier April 14, 2009

April 14, 2009

Some Debugger tests will open a Debugger... This will open/close a MessageTally... This will nil out some MessageTally class vars... This will prevent me to run some tests with profiler (Run Profiled button). This is http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=739 Workaround in PharoInbox/System-Tools-nice.4 Nicolas

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[Pharo-project] Dear Santa please include ...
by Torsten Bergmann April 14, 2009

April 14, 2009

the new preference allowing one to set if the fonts will be updated at image startup (default) or not. See pharo inbox and http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=689 Bye T. -- Psssst! Schon vom neuen GMX MultiMessenger gehÃ¶rt? Der kann`s mit allen: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/multimessenger01

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[Pharo-project] It seems that Pharo 09.04.1 (with Seaside and Pier) broken
by Baskakov Daniel April 14, 2009

April 14, 2009

Hi, I've downloaded Pharo 09.04.1 (with Seaside and Pier) [http://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/20710/pharo0.1-10268web09.04.1.zip] and it fails to open on my Ubuntu 8.10 (same as in Windows Vista). I get the following error: This interpreter (vers. 6502) cannot read image file (vers. 6504). Press CR to quit... Any ideas?

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[Pharo-project] [ANN] 10277 curving out BookMorph, TrashMorph and friends.
by StÃ©phane Ducasse April 14, 2009

April 14, 2009

Hi I started to work on bookMorph removal. Please have a look. Stef

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[Pharo-project] It seems that Pharo 09.04.1 (with Seaside and Pier) broken
by Torsten Bergmann April 14, 2009

April 14, 2009

Just use the latest VM with closure support from http://pharo-project.org/download For windows this is http://squeakvm.org/win32/release/SqueakVM-Win32-3.11.2-bin.zip Bye T. -- Neu: GMX FreeDSL Komplettanschluss mit DSL 6.000 Flatrate + Telefonanschluss fÃ¼r nur 17,95 Euro/mtl.!* http://dslspecial.gmx.de/freedsl-surfflat/?ac=OM.AD.PD003K11308T4569a

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[Pharo-project] [ANN] 10276 postBlockCopy removal
by StÃ©phane Ducasse April 14, 2009

April 14, 2009

Now all the fixTemps senders should be fixed :) Thanks lukas for your lynx eyes Stef

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[Pharo-project] hampering the desire of the VM and image to visit every object at startup time (multiple times)
by John M McIntosh April 14, 2009

April 14, 2009

I created a pharo entry to track the problem the VM & image has in wanting to visit every smalltalk object multiple times at startup time. Athought this behavior is masked by Gigaherz processors, it's very evident as a problem on the iPhone. Fixing it results in reducing MB of RAM memory usage and saves actual "seconds* of clock time at startup. http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=737&colspec=ID%20Type%20Sta… -- = = = ======================================================================== John M. McIntosh <johnmci(a)smalltalkconsulting.com> Corporate Smalltalk Consulting Ltd. http://www.smalltalkconsulting.com = = = ========================================================================

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April 14, 2009

Hi all here is a better version of fixTemps (empty). I fixed some of the senders but not all. since apparently for some collections this is not immediate (postBlockCopy protocols). You are invited (lukas :)) to have a look at what I did :) Stef

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April 13, 2009

senders of scrapsBook :) Stef

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