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[Pharo-project] Fwd: [Traits] Re: Overring trait methods
by StÃ©phane Ducasse Oct. 14, 2009

Oct. 14, 2009

Here is a report of traits use in perl and this sounds really cool. I think that smalltalkers did not get totally the power of traits. Stef > > I gave a presentation on this at a Lisbon conference. I have brief > slides at: > > http://www.slideshare.net/Ovid/inheritance-versus-roles > > And a longer write-up at (you can download the PDF if you have a > free account with them): > > http://www.slideshare.net/Ovid/inheritance-versus-roles-1799996 > > > However, those are rather introductory and target a Perl audience. > > For specific write-ups on the "class silently wins" issue: > > http://use.perl.org/~Ovid/journal/38809 > > Much of the debate has focused around our seeing (loosely) traits as > fulfilling two needs: interface *and* implementation. If you > primarily use roles as Java-style interfaces, then silently > discarding the role methods is a win. However, if you're like the > BBC and you use roles to provide implementation, silently discarding > the role methods is a loss. So just as classes used for two > different purposes (responsibility and code reuse) causes a bit of a > problem, roles used for two different purposes causes another issue > -- albeit, one not as severe as the problem they're intended to solve. > > Cheers, > Ovid > -- > Buy the book - http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/perlhks/ > Tech blog - http://use.perl.org/~Ovid/journal/ > Twitter - http://twitter.com/OvidPerl > Official Perl 6 Wiki - http://www.perlfoundation.org/perl6 > > _______________________________________________ > Traits mailing list > Traits(a)iam.unibe.ch > https://www.iam.unibe.ch/mailman/listinfo/traits

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[Pharo-project] String = Symbol
by Nicolas Cellier Oct. 13, 2009

Oct. 13, 2009

For the sake of curiosity, I gave a try to: http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=331 Instead of breaking the image, or tracking the senders of = (not my cup of tea), I simply instrumented my image with a Notification, and caught it with a MessageTally. This showed that String = Symbol is used in the #intern: / #lookup: process These are the method that check if such a Symbol equal to that String already exist or not, so as to guarantee uniqueness of Symbol. This is the first equality to be cleaned up before making any other change in the image. Beware, implementation of such core method should care of speed ! (See issue 331) If anyone one else wanna report other String=Symbol use case, welcome, the instrumentation is available in 331. Nicolas

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[Pharo-project] ODBCWarning
by Schwab,Wilhelm K Oct. 13, 2009

Oct. 13, 2009

The porting continues... It is getting closer to doing something. It just raised an ODBCWarning about the server changing the language to us_english. Any ideas? Either I do not care or should set it up front?? One thing really surprised me, and note that I might have brought this on myself (though I think that is unlikely) by messing with startup and shutdown: the ODBCLibrary was stubbornly clinging to the Linux library from my home machine. I finally used ODBCLibrary default initialize. which seemed to put an end to the separation anxiety. Is there a better fix? I suppose I should try this in a clean image to see if there is really a problem therein, but that will be a little hard to do without a lot of my code, almost any of which either depends on changes I have made or could have caused the problem. Maybe I should ask whether some of you use ODBC on Windows and Linux and have no problems moving between the machines. Bill

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[Pharo-project] Preparing the sprint
by StÃ©phane Ducasse Oct. 13, 2009

Oct. 13, 2009

Hi guys I would like to have several kinds of tasks so that people can pick up Now let me know if you have other points - fixing stuff for 1.0 - integrating pending for 1.1 - OB related UI - fixing more elaborated points for 1.1 - package structure - improving the system (smalllint?) - Popup discard - TextEditor from Squeak/CUIS - ToolBuilder changes - checking squeak fixes - Preparing release candidate - fixing _ - free fonts - Dreaming about the future - filesystem? Rio/ - newcompiler - true package - management of noncore packages - browsers - release/integration process BTW what is costing me most of my time is cleaning the inbox. Can we script that because moving these files is a pain. Syeg

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[Pharo-project] Preparing the sprint
by Torsten Bergmann Oct. 13, 2009

Oct. 13, 2009

Stef wrote: >For example I tried to check the SUnitextensions and I could not >find them. http://www.squeaksource.com/SUnitExtensions ?! Bye T. -- Neu: GMX DSL bis 50.000 kBit/s und 200,- Euro Startguthaben! http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/dsl02

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[Pharo-project] FilePliugin???
by StÃ©phane Ducasse Oct. 13, 2009

Oct. 13, 2009

Hi when trying to build the dev image I systematically get a DNU primGetPosition: id "Get this files current position." <primitive: 'primitiveFileGetPosition' module: 'FilePlugin'> self primitiveFailed and I do not have the FilePlugin in the resources VM folder. I checked the web site of john but could not find an explanation. Stef

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[Pharo-project] Pharo Linux and Russian
by ÐÐ°Ð¼ÐµÐ½ÐµÐ² ÐÐ»ÐµÐºÑÐµÐ¹ ÐÐ¸ÐºÐ¾Ð»Ð°ÐµÐ²Ð¸Ñ Oct. 13, 2009

Oct. 13, 2009

Hello ! Some body know where to read about Russification (input+output+copy+paste) of Pharo (http://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/24185/pharo1.0-10466-BETAweb09.10.1…) On linux box (fc11 or ubuntu 9.4) Best regards Kamenew Alexey

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Re: [Pharo-project] [Seaside] Komanche ?
by Ramiro Diaz Trepat Oct. 12, 2009

Oct. 12, 2009

Ah, if Robert still has an image with the issue and if he does not mind giving it away for autopsy, maybe someone could look at it :)May be John Macintosh can help us. On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 3:49 PM, Robert Sirois <watchlala(a)hotmail.com>wrote: > I'm running the latest mac vm as well. I believe I attempted the same > things to no avail. > > RS > > > Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 16:39:37 +0200 > > > Subject: Re: [Seaside] Komanche ? > > From: renggli(a)gmail.com > > To: seaside(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org > > > > I use the same configuration with the 4.1.1beta2U VM. > > > > Lukas > > > > 2009/10/11 Ramiro Diaz Trepat <ramiro(a)diaztrepat.name>: > > > Correlation does not mean causality, I know. But in my case this > happened > > > right after saving my image, although I had saved it many times before > > > without issues. > > > Cheers > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 3:01 PM, Ramiro Diaz Trepat < > ramiro(a)diaztrepat.name> > > > wrote: > > >> > > >> Hi Lukas, > > >> I am using the latest Pharo, and I have loaded Seaside with > ScriptLoader > > >> loadSeaside30. I am using it on a Mac with Leopard. > > >> I have managed to reuse that port, with random tests and I do not > believe > > >> there may be causality here, but I will tell you anyway what I did. > > >> When this happens, I removed the problematic adaptor from the Seaside > > >> Control Panel and created a new one (on the same port), then I tried > closing > > >> the image and restarting and it did not fix the problem. Although > when I > > >> closed another non Seaside image I was running and then restarted the > > >> problematic image it worked. > > >> I wonder now if it is not a mac vm issue or socket issue. Robert, are > you > > >> also running on a mac? > > >> In spite I got the image working again, it is quite worring because we > > >> don't know the cause when an image stops answering requests (although > the > > >> image itself was not hanged at all and kept working fine), and, most > weird > > >> of all, there is no exception or trace of a fault happening. This is > really > > >> what is making me wonder if it is not a low level socket issue that > never > > >> gets to the image for it to throw an exception or anything at all. > > >> Cheers > > >> > > >> r > > >> > > >> ps: I'm cross posting to Pharo because I believe this is not a Seaside > > >> issue. > > >> > > >> On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 12:13 PM, Robert Sirois < > watchlala(a)hotmail.com> > > >> wrote: > > >>> > > >>> I'm using Pharo 1.0.10419, but I'm not sure how to check the other > two. I > > >>> think I'm still running 2.9 in the image I checked. > > >>> > > >>> RS > > >>> > > >>> > Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2009 12:30:37 +0200 > > >>> > Subject: Re: [Seaside] Komanche ? > > >>> > From: renggli(a)gmail.com > > >>> > To: seaside(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org > > >>> > > > >>> > I've never seen this problem before. > > >>> > > > >>> > What version of Pharo? Kom? Seaside? > > >>> > > > >>> > Lukas > > >>> > > > >>> > 2009/10/11 Robert Sirois <watchlala(a)hotmail.com>: > > >>> > > I've also had this problem for quite a while now and have not > found > > >>> > > any way to fix the problem either. > > >>> > > > > >>> > > RS > > >>> > > > > >>> > > Ramiro Diaz Trepat <ramiro(a)diaztrepat.name> wrote: > > >>> > > > > >>> > >>Something really strange happened to me more than once now.In a > > >>> > >> simple dev > > >>> > >>image (Pharo + Seaside3 + Kom on a Mac) after saving the image at > > >>> > >> some > > >>> > >>point, Komanche stops answering anything at all, althought the > port > > >>> > >> keeps > > >>> > >>listening (as listed on a terminal). > > >>> > >>No errors are displayed anywere but the port becomes unusable > from > > >>> > >> that > > >>> > >>point on. > > >>> > >>If I wish to continue using the same image I have to add another > > >>> > >> adaptor in > > >>> > >>the Seaside Control Panel and start again. > > >>> > >>The "dead" ports never become usable again, not even stopping and > > >>> > >> removing > > >>> > >>the adaptor and adding a new one. > > >>> > >>I am not even sure that this is a Komanche issue, as I said no > error > > >>> > >> of > > >>> > >>anykind is visible. > > >>> > >>Has anyone come across this before? > > >>> > >>_______________________________________________ > > >>> > >>seaside mailing list > > >>> > >>seaside(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org > > >>> > >> > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside > > >>> > > > > >>> > > _______________________________________________ > > >>> > > seaside mailing list > > >>> > > seaside(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org > > >>> > > > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > -- > > >>> > Lukas Renggli > > >>> > http://www.lukas-renggli.ch > > >>> > _______________________________________________ > > >>> > seaside mailing list > > >>> > seaside(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org > > >>> > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside > > >>> > > >>> ________________________________ > > >>> Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. Sign > up > > >>> now. > > >>> _______________________________________________ > > >>> seaside mailing list > > >>> seaside(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org > > >>> http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside > > >>> > > >> > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > seaside mailing list > > > seaside(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org > > > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Lukas Renggli > > http://www.lukas-renggli.ch > > _______________________________________________ > > seaside mailing list > > seaside(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org > > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside > > ------------------------------ > Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoftâs powerful SPAM protection. 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[Pharo-project] os process crash
by Michael Roberts Oct. 12, 2009

Oct. 12, 2009

folks, i'm trying to load OS Process into the latest pharo-core on my mac. it crashes the image when i try and run the tests. Does anyone have sucess on a recent pharo-core? thanks, Mike

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[Pharo-project] Issue 1292: Code Critics RBCollectionCopyEmptyRule has incorrect selector
by Stan Shepherd Oct. 12, 2009

Oct. 12, 2009

This rule is checking for method copyEmpty: instead of copyEmpty Revised version at http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=1292&sort=-id&colspec=ID%20… ...Stan -- View this message in context: http://n2.nabble.com/Issue-1292-Code-Critics-RBCollectionCopyEmptyRule-has-… Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

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