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Re: [Pharo-project] Xtreams port to Squeak - second wave
by mkobetic＠gmail.com Oct. 11, 2010

Oct. 11, 2010

"Sven Van Caekenberghe"<sven(a)beta9.be> wrote: > I tried to follow your different releases in Pharo 1.1.1, right now I have 433 tests, 3 failures (#testReadWriteLargeAmount), 11 errors (#..base64 and #..multipleBufferSize). If will send you the report. > > I have been trying some of the examples from the doc pages (google code project), this simple one still fails: > > ((1 to: 10) reading collecting: [:x | x * x]) rest Ah, that's because of the use of #cull: like semantics with exception handlers in some places, mostly ... on: Incomplete do: #count. We can certainly replace all those with regular block style. > The readline example is using the non-existing #slicer: method, this simpler version seems to work: > > |text| > text := 'line1\line2\line3\line4' withCRs reading. > text := text ender: [ :char | char = Character cr ]. > text collect: [ :line | line rest ]. > > That is a documentation bug though. Hm, odd, this is fixed in the package comments, but looks like I failed to regenerate the project pages properly. I'll review the comments again and update the site. Thanks!

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[Pharo-project] Xtreams was Re: Unit Tests on Pharo 1.1.1
by Sven Van Caekenberghe Oct. 11, 2010

Oct. 11, 2010

Nicolas, On 11 Oct 2010, at 22:35, Nicolas Cellier wrote: > Yes, that was expected. > > With latest versions, the Base64 encoding/decoding now pass. > Beware, I moved everything to http://www.squeaksource.com/Xtreams.html > > Cheers > > Nicolas > > 2010/10/11 Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)beta9.be>: >> Nicolas, >> >> Here is the unit test report I promised: OK, thanks, I moved to the new SS project. I commited some changes: replacing on: XTIncomplete do: #count with on: XTIncomplete do: [:exception | exception count] as suggested by Martin Kobetic Now, this works: ((1 to: 10) reading collecting: [:x | x * x]) rest and I think more tests succeed, but I am not sure since I forgot how many failed before. Sven

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Re: [Pharo-project] MicroSqueak Was: Re: [update 1.2] #12188
by StÃ©phane Ducasse Oct. 11, 2010

Oct. 11, 2010

>> > > Ah, good to know. I will be very happy to someday take a 50k input, and > a script.st file containing a ConfigurationOfXXX load sentence and get a > fully featured custom image. > Keep the good job. I hope :) and ideally I would like to have binary loading instead of having the compiler loaded first :) but it takes time.

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Re: [Pharo-project] how to get the diff on commit on the pharo source?
by StÃ©phane Ducasse Oct. 11, 2010

Oct. 11, 2010

> It is not the mailing list that is the problem, it is the >> squeaksource.com server that is. It takes several minutes to calculate >> a simple diff of a single version and that just kills responsiveness >> at the current rate of commits. > > That seems to be a really high number. I just compared a version of the > CollectionTests package in Squeak 4.2 with a Pharo version. The two are totally different, there are 2002 changes. Parsing both packages and creating the diffs takes less than a second with Cog. So it's probably less than 3 seconds with the standard VM. And this is an edge case. > this is true that squeaksource is central and we should get it faster not slower. :-/ Stef

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Re: [Pharo-project] how to get the diff on commit on the pharo source?
by StÃ©phane Ducasse Oct. 11, 2010

Oct. 11, 2010

Ok I see INRIA told us that they will allocate some time of their busy engineer for the web-dav server. Once we have that we could host any pharo/squeak projects. Now we will not have squeaksource.... :( But for pharo we need a scriptable interface because we are losing time moving package around. Stef > On 11 October 2010 17:49, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >> I would really like to have the same behavior than the squeak system ie having the source modification >> send to the list. I could not see how to set it up on squeaksource. >> May be this is not the same version running. > > It is disabled because of the excessive processing power that this > requires. And the server is already at the limit. Ok this is sad because I would like that people can see published code. > > Lukas > > -- > Lukas Renggli > www.lukas-renggli.ch > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

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Re: [Pharo-project] Hallo Pharoers.. namespaces in the system level ?
by StÃ©phane Ducasse Oct. 11, 2010

Oct. 11, 2010

On Oct 11, 2010, at 6:02 PM, James Foster wrote: > > On Oct 11, 2010, at 8:07 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > >> Hi guys >> >> there is a HUGE HUGE HUGE difference between >> (1) namespace at the language level and we do not want that the way german did it. > > StÃ©phane, > > Are you suggesting that the approach GermÃ¡n Leiva demonstrated at ESUG last month is "at the language level"? Could you elaborate? no time to elaborate sorry I have boring documents to write. Now this is at the language level because as a programmer I have to write it when I write my class. Look at point 2 items: you as a nice programmer do not care that your class is defined in bootstrap or normal. Stef > > James > >> Give us some times and we will try different solutions and see what come out >> (2) systemDictionary at the infrastructure level. >> We are working on that since Squeak Kernel Cleaning Project >> here we want the tools to be able to use another environment so that we can >> - bootstrap the compiler with itself >> - load different version of code (for Moose) to build report on Pharo 1.2 from pharo 1.1 >> - bootstrap the kernel >> - build atomic loading. >> We are working on 2 and this is what nick needs. >> I will not talk about namespace at the lnaguage level. No time for that. >> >> Stef >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

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Re: [Pharo-project] Hallo Pharoers.. namespaces in the system level ?
by StÃ©phane Ducasse Oct. 11, 2010

Oct. 11, 2010

On Oct 11, 2010, at 5:53 PM, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote: > Nick, > > I'm certainly no expert on DST, but I will gladly help where I can. You're starting a PhD program? Is Stef your advisor? That would put you in good hands. noury luc and me :) Indeed nick you should ahve a look at VisualWorks Distributed Smalltalk. I remember now that in 3 min I could browse your browser from my machine wayback in 2002. Stef > > Bill > > > ________________________________________ > From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of Nick Papoylias [npapoylias(a)gmail.com] > Sent: Monday, October 11, 2010 11:43 AM > To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Hallo Pharoers.. namespaces in the system level ? > > I am currently concerned with remote programming (debugger, browser, compiler e.t.c) in Pharo from one image (or environment) to another, so that this infrastructure can be used in the field of autonomous robotics to ease the development cycle. > > So we should definitely exchange ideas ! Cause there surely is more than one way to go (plain sockets and API, rST, remote SystemDictionary and environment, to name a few..) > > We should keep in touch ! > > Nick > > On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 5:16 PM, Serge Stinckwich <serge.stinckwich(a)gmail.com<mailto:serge.stinckwich@gmail.com>> wrote: > 2010/10/11 Nick Papoylias <npapoylias(a)gmail.com<mailto:npapoylias@gmail.com>>: >> Hallo to all, >> >> I am starting my Ph.D on 'languages and environments for autonomous >> robotics' -- and pharo will be a huge part of it. > > Hi Nick, > > Great to see that another guy will work in the domain of embedded > systems&autonomous robots with Smalltalk ! > > I already talked with Noury or Luc about that. This is really > important to share code as we are a small community, especially code > to interface with existing robotics systems like ROS, OROCOS or > Player/Stage. I will start soon to work on how to integrate Smalltalk > with ROS: http://www.ros.org/wiki/ > > Regards, > -- > Serge Stinckwich > UMI UMMISCO 209 (IRD/UPMC), Hanoi, Vietnam > Every DSL ends up being Smalltalk > http://doesnotunderstand.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr<mailto:Pharo-project@lists.gforge.inria.fr> > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

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Oct. 11, 2010

On Oct 11, 2010, at 5:25 PM, Nick Papoylias wrote: > > > On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 5:11 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > > > > For example there currently exist a setter in the class side for 'migratting' in a new environment, that just alters the class knowledge about the new namespace and does not erase it's record from the old namespace. > where? > > Class>>environment: (as far as I understand the class changes it's environment, without erasing itself from the old one and adding itself to the new one) clearly a bug. Cna you open a ticket? if you could write a test it would be excellent. In fact this method was never build with multiple environment in mind :) > > Is this intented ? What is the underlying design ? Should we add an environment: setter in the subclass message, so that we integrate namespaces with the current Browser ? Should Behavior always return Smalltalk globals, or there should be a setter to be able to migrate a whole hierarchy of classes elsewhere ? > > Normally a class should be able to return its environment and it can be different to Smalltalk globals, for example > we want to have to environments so that we can load Opal in one to modify the other Opal compiler that we will running. > > Up to now marcus was using the old compiler to compile the new but in the future we only want one compiler and still been able to > change it. > > Stef > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

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Oct. 11, 2010

Ok for me do the simplest thing for you. This was just a meta remark. Stef On Oct 11, 2010, at 5:32 PM, Lukas Renggli wrote: >>> Excellent, can I also push the Seaside Book there? >> >> If you want. Now I do not see the interest of git when we use it as svn. And I would prefer to host the book on an inria server >> because I know that this is backup by someboyd else than me. >> and for a book I do not want to fork it (or people can fork it but I do not care of what they will do with their fork). > > The problem is that the sync with Pier does not work with SVN. You can > only update and backup by using Git with the SVN backend. > > Lukas > > -- > Lukas Renggli > www.lukas-renggli.ch > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

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[Pharo-project] Squeak/Pharo port of Xtreams moved
by Nicolas Cellier Oct. 11, 2010

Oct. 11, 2010

After Julian demand, I moved Squeak/Pharo port of Xtreams to http://www.squeaksource.com/Xtreams.html Sorry for the inconvenience, but it's better to do it now. Please update your links. Nicolas

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