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Re: [Pharo-project] bad bracket autocompletion in Pharo Core 1.2
by StÃ©phane Ducasse Oct. 19, 2010

Oct. 19, 2010

> > > On Sun, Oct 17, 2010 at 10:51 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > > I have a question: > > does shout support closing parenthesis behavior? > > > > > > > > I wonder the same. I don't see the difference between this and shout smart characters. > > so may be we could remove this and keep smart characters. > Now that there is a setting we could try and see. > > Do you know where/why/who added this? because I guess there is a reason that we don't see. In fact I do not understand :) since ithought that the code was coming from cuis and cuis does not implement it at all. may this is evil autogenerating code :) Stef

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[Pharo-project] SqueakSource are down
by Igor Stasenko Oct. 18, 2010

Oct. 18, 2010

Hello, :( Guys, are there a reason , why we can't address this problem once and for all? -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko AKA sig.

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[Pharo-project] Speeding up Pharo 1.1
by Bart Veenstra Oct. 18, 2010

Oct. 18, 2010

Hi list, I have been working with Pharo for almost a month now, and I suspect that the performance is degrading fast. UI tasks takes several seconds to react to my keyboard. At work we use VAST and I have experience with VW as well and those smalltaks react to my keyboard and mouse actions instantly. But Pharo works very sluggish. My image is about 130MB because I have loaded all dutch postcode in memory, but that should not affect the performance of general operations like typing with the keyboard. I am not a fast typer, but sometimes it takes seconds to show my keyboard input. I can't use the down key to select the right method from suggestions, because it seems to lockup completely. Are there ways to speedup Pharo? I would love to use cogVM but I haven't got gemtools working on it... Will upgrading to 1.1.1 fix these issues? Is my OS (Windows 7-64bit) causing these issues? Regards, Bart

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[Pharo-project] Some questions about pharo
by Adrien BARREAU Oct. 18, 2010

Oct. 18, 2010

Hello =) I have a few questions: - If I run a headless Pharo, is it possible to display the graphical interface after? (for example, if something raises an exception, I want to open the GUI and use the debugger) - I wanna run Pharo as a deamon; how can I interact with it after i launched it? (for example, if I want to give it a piece of code to execute). Adrien.

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[Pharo-project] A Lazy Inspector?
by Oscar E A Callau Oct. 18, 2010

Oct. 18, 2010

Hello all, I was wondering what actually the inspector does in the following case: When you explore (or inspect) the expression: Class environment you get all classes in the system dictionary. If you navigate inside a class, for example AColorSelectorMorph, you can see all its properties and one of them is environment, if you go inside it, you get again all classes in the system dictionary. So, you can repeat this infinitely (or until you get run out of memory, I guess) Is it the behavior of a lazy inspector? If true, why I cannot inspect a mutually-recursive class definition, like this: Object subclass: #Foo instanceVariableNames: 'bar' classVariableNames: '' poolDictionaries: '' category: '' Foo>>initialize bar:= Bar new Object subclass: #Bar instanceVariableNames: 'foo' classVariableNames: '' poolDictionaries: '' category: '' Foo>>initialize bar:= Foo new Thanks in advance. P.S.: How can I stop my execution in the pharo image when it is in a infinite loop? I can't remember what the shortcut was.

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[Pharo-project] call for scripting idea
by stephane ducasse Oct. 18, 2010

Oct. 18, 2010

Hi we would like to exercise a bit our scripting engine :) so if you have ideas of scripts that we should be able to write let us know. Stef

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Re: [Pharo-project] Some questions about pharo
by StÃ©phane Ducasse Oct. 18, 2010

Oct. 18, 2010

in this case we should focus on the next item and provide two images one for the debugging scenario and one for normal running of script. Stef On Oct 18, 2010, at 9:58 PM, Pavel Krivanek wrote: > On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 9:05 PM, Schwab,Wilhelm K <bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu> wrote: >> The Windows vm displays a system tray icon that allows the image to leave the headless state. It has been quite useful, but there should be (hopefully is) a way to prevent that. > > I think that someone asked on squeak-dev some time ago and Andreas > told that it is not possible with the standard VM. > > -- Pavel > > >> ________________________________________ >> From: pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr [pharo-project-bounces(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr] On Behalf Of Lukas Renggli [renggli(a)gmail.com] >> Sent: Monday, October 18, 2010 2:09 PM >> To: Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] Some questions about pharo >> >> See <http://book.seaside.st/book/advanced/deployment/maintaining/vnc>. >> >> Cheers, >> Lukas >> >> 2010/10/18 Adrien BARREAU <abarreau.dev(a)live.fr>: >>> Hello =) >>> >>> I have a few questions: >>> >>> - If I run a headless Pharo, is it possible to display the graphical >>> interface after? (for example, if something raises an exception, I want to >>> open the GUI and use the debugger) >>> >>> - I wanna run Pharo as a deamon; how can I interact with it after i launched >>> it? (for example, if I want to give it a piece of code to execute). >>> >>> Adrien. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Pharo-project mailing list >>> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >>> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Lukas Renggli >> www.lukas-renggli.ch >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

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Oct. 18, 2010

Now I could evaluate in the tiny screen DisplayScreen actualScreenSize 972@643 and I got which is the size of the large window. Stef On Oct 18, 2010, at 9:48 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > Hi adrien > > I did the following: > > I commented the method startup of DisplayScreen > saved the image > > then in a file I put > > Display setExtent: DisplayScreen actualScreenSize depth: Display nativeDepth. > Display beDisplay. > > > /Applications/Squeak/Squeak\ 4.2.3beta1U.app/Contents/MacOS/Squeak\ VM\ Opt PharoCore-1.2-12195.9.image display.st > > and it nearly worked :) > I could interact with the little part. I do not understand why DisplayScreen actualScreenSize does not return the correct size or why I only get that size > > when I open a image with a display I get correct size so probably that the vm returns a default value when the screen is not started? > John? > > > Now what I did was to use image with exactly the same size and use the size returned by DisplayScreen actualScreenSize > in one to open the other and I got the same problem > > Stef > > > <Screen shot 2010-10-18 at 9.42.27 PM.png>_______________________________________________ > Pharo-project mailing list > Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

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Oct. 18, 2010

Hi adrien I did the following: I commented the method startup of DisplayScreen saved the image then in a file I put Display setExtent: DisplayScreen actualScreenSize depth: Display nativeDepth. Display beDisplay. /Applications/Squeak/Squeak\ 4.2.3beta1U.app/Contents/MacOS/Squeak\ VM\ Opt PharoCore-1.2-12195.9.image display.st and it nearly worked :) I could interact with the little part. I do not understand why DisplayScreen actualScreenSize does not return the correct size or why I only get that size when I open a image with a display I get correct size so probably that the vm returns a default value when the screen is not started? John? Now what I did was to use image with exactly the same size and use the size returned by DisplayScreen actualScreenSize in one to open the other and I got the same problem Stef

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Oct. 18, 2010

Adrien did you have a look at Display>>startUp "DisplayScreen startUp" Display setExtent: self actualScreenSize depth: Display nativeDepth. Display beDisplay this is what is happening when an image is launched can you try to execute Display setExtent: self actualScreenSize depth: Display nativeDepth. Display beDisplay in a script? Or may be you could - avoid the headless argument when running the image and - have a flag there and make sure that you invoke Display setExtent: self actualScreenSize depth: Display nativeDepth. Display beDisplay when an error have.

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