- Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-project] [OT] Sponsor's requests (was: Re: [Ann][Cuis] New Cuis Release)
by StÃ©phane Ducasse Nov. 6, 2010

Nov. 6, 2010

Left blank on purpose .... On Nov 6, 2010, at 5:54 PM, Levente Uzonyi wrote: > On Sat, 6 Nov 2010, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > >> And why ESUG would like to be mentioned as a sponsor if this would not have been the case? >> Do you think that I'm generally lying? I guess not but I apply the same question technic than you. :) > > Let's say you're wringting two books at the same time: Book1 and Book2. FGSW (Fictional Group Sponsoring Writers) is sponsoring Book2. Book2 is based on the foundations of Book1. Would you mention FGSW in the sponsors list of Book1 if they ask you to do, even though you know that they didn't support that work? > > > Levente > >> >> >> Stef >> >> On Nov 6, 2010, at 4:04 PM, Levente Uzonyi wrote: >> >>> On Sat, 6 Nov 2010, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: >>> >>>> you can add ESUG as sponsors >>> >>> Is the developement of Cuis sponsored by ESUG? >>> >>> >>> Levente >>> >>>> >>>> Stef >>>> >>>> >>>> On Nov 5, 2010, at 2:41 PM, Juan Vuletich wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Folks, >>>>> >>>>> Cuis 2.8 is available at www.jvuletich.org/Cuis/Index.html . The release notes describes changes in recent versions (starting at 2.0). I believe many of the enhancements could be also useful for Pharo and rather easy to harvest. So, take a look! >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Juan Vuletich >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >> >> >>

2 1

[Pharo-project] About simple morphic
by StÃ©phane Ducasse Nov. 6, 2010

Nov. 6, 2010

Hi guys the mail may be a bit long sorry. ESUG was supporting Morphic 3 (a new proposal) of Juan. Now it occurred that Juan realized that he will not be able to deliver what he wanted. So After discussion one idea was to get simpleMorphic (not lighMorphic) a simpler version of Morphic done by juan for Squeak and Pharo. We believe that this is good because Juan could deliver something and we could support him. Juan sent us the code and I published it at http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=3210 Here is the original text: > I'm really happy to tell you: SimpleMorphic for Pharo is working! The attached zip file contains a few numbered change sets, to be installed in Pharo in order. > > The contents of the change sets are as follows: > - SMx01-PharoEnhAndPreliminaries-jmv.3.cs and SMx02-PharoEnhAndPreliminariesCoda.1.cs contain some refactoring needed to make it possible to add another GUI to Pharo. Nothing here is specific to SimpleMorphic, and I recommend integrating them into Pharo. > - SMx03-ExtensionMethodsPart1.3.cs contains a few useful methods, not specific to SimpleMorphic, but optional anyway. You might integrate this into Pharo or consider it part of SimpleMorphic. > - SMx04-SimpleMorphic.11.cs This change set is the big one. It includes all the new SimpleMorphic classes. It doesn't include any method for existing classes (to make review easier). > - SMx05-ExtensionMethodsPart2.7.cs This change set includes the SimpleMorphic specific methods I added to existing classes. > > After loading them, you can evaluate 'SimpleMorphicUIManager start' to enter SimpleMorphic and 'SimpleMorphicUIManager stop' to return to regular Morphic. > > As SimpleMorphic is much simpler and easier to understand that regular Morphic, my biggest hope is that the Pharo community will adopt it, study it in detail, and be able to adapt it to Pharo's needs all way down. No need to walk away from overwhelming complexity anymore. > > I look forward for your comments! Now after discussion with Juan: we plan to integrate SM01, 02, and 03 to be able to load SM04. SM04 is not in a shape were we can simply migrate on it - Polymorph first polymorph is tight with the old Morphic - Preference are still used - FillInTheBlank, PopUp.... are used. Now I suggest that we integrate 01.02.03 and package the rest to be loaded in 1.2 This way we can either update SimpleMorphic to get more pharoed or we could use it to study and fix morphic. But all that will require some work. Tell us what you think.

2 1

Re: [Pharo-project] [Ann][Cuis] New Cuis Release
by StÃ©phane Ducasse Nov. 6, 2010

Nov. 6, 2010

> you can add ESUG as sponsors > > Is the developement of Cuis sponsored by ESUG? We originally sponsored the development of Morphic 30 and it generally does not hurt to say it. Even if at the end morphic is not ready for public consumption. Our original idea was not to sponsor SimpleMorphic. I have no problem with the solution we found because he helps everybody to be happy. Stef > Levente > >> >> Stef >> >> >> On Nov 5, 2010, at 2:41 PM, Juan Vuletich wrote: >> >>> Hi Folks, >>> >>> Cuis 2.8 is available at www.jvuletich.org/Cuis/Index.html . The release notes describes changes in recent versions (starting at 2.0). I believe many of the enhancements could be also useful for Pharo and rather easy to harvest. So, take a look! >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Juan Vuletich >>> >> >> >>

2 1

Re: [Pharo-project] [Ann][Cuis] New Cuis Release
by StÃ©phane Ducasse Nov. 6, 2010

Nov. 6, 2010

And why ESUG would like to be mentioned as a sponsor if this would not have been the case? Do you think that I'm generally lying? I guess not but I apply the same question technic than you. :) Stef On Nov 6, 2010, at 4:04 PM, Levente Uzonyi wrote: > On Sat, 6 Nov 2010, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > >> you can add ESUG as sponsors > > Is the developement of Cuis sponsored by ESUG? > > > Levente > >> >> Stef >> >> >> On Nov 5, 2010, at 2:41 PM, Juan Vuletich wrote: >> >>> Hi Folks, >>> >>> Cuis 2.8 is available at www.jvuletich.org/Cuis/Index.html . The release notes describes changes in recent versions (starting at 2.0). I believe many of the enhancements could be also useful for Pharo and rather easy to harvest. So, take a look! >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Juan Vuletich >>> >> >> >>

2 1

Re: [Pharo-project] [Ann][Cuis] New Cuis Release
by StÃ©phane Ducasse Nov. 6, 2010

Nov. 6, 2010

you can add ESUG as sponsors Stef On Nov 5, 2010, at 2:41 PM, Juan Vuletich wrote: > Hi Folks, > > Cuis 2.8 is available at www.jvuletich.org/Cuis/Index.html . The release notes describes changes in recent versions (starting at 2.0). I believe many of the enhancements could be also useful for Pharo and rather easy to harvest. So, take a look! > > Cheers, > Juan Vuletich >

2 1

Re: [Pharo-project] The next milestone reached!
by StÃ©phane Ducasse Nov. 6, 2010

Nov. 6, 2010

Cool! I hope to get some time this evening to work on the test reorganization and a couple of other things but my time is counted in this moment Stef On Nov 6, 2010, at 12:47 PM, Pavel Krivanek wrote: > This screenshot is more representative ;-) > > -- Pavel > > On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 12:12 PM, Pavel Krivanek > <pavel.krivanek(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I successfully loaded the the rest of PharoCore packages into the >> PharoKernel. The Morphic initialization works too. See the attached >> screenshot. I will publish the scripts later today. >> >> Cheers, >> -- Pavel >> > <PharoCore.png>

1 0

Re: [Pharo-project] RoarVM - Pharo and Squeak on Multicore
by StÃ©phane Ducasse Nov. 6, 2010

Nov. 6, 2010

Thanks Stefan Stef On Nov 6, 2010, at 11:11 AM, Stefan Marr wrote: > > On 06 Nov 2010, at 10:16, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > >> Should it be included in pharo? >> IfTrue: open a bug tracker issue > That depends on what you think is the correct thing to do... > > Anyway: > http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=3209 > > > -- > Stefan Marr > Software Languages Lab > Vrije Universiteit Brussel > Pleinlaan 2 / B-1050 Brussels / Belgium > http://soft.vub.ac.be/~smarr > Phone: +32 2 629 2974 > Fax: +32 2 629 3525 > >

1 0

[Pharo-project] Introspection on saved image file
by YossiDM Nov. 6, 2010

Nov. 6, 2010

Is there a simple way that I can do some introspection on an image file without loading it as the current image for the VM? Specifically, I want to query the classes, methods, packages, etc loaded into the image for documentation purposes, for example from a previous version of an image saved as a snapshot. Is there a way I can do this with built-in functionality? It's easy on the running image, but I don't want to actually load a new VM with an image to check its contents. Would it be possible to use AST or anything like that worst case? Thanks. -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Introspection-on-saved-image-file-tp3027736p3027736.h… Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

3 3

Nov. 6, 2010

Should it be included in pharo? IfTrue: open a bug tracker issue >>> From my understanding, the idea is that if there is no event, the primitive will fail. >>> And all other images have that case covered. They set the first array index to EventTypeNone. >>> >>> Thus, "InputEventFetcher>>primGetNextEvent: array" should look like: >>> >>> primGetNextEvent: array >>> "Store the next OS event available into the provided array. >>> Essential." >>> <primitive: 94> >>> array at: 1 put: EventTypeNone. "STEFAN: Added this line" >>> ^nil >>> >>> However, since Pharo works on the other VM, I guess the primitive there is filling in the first slot of the array anyway. >>> So, what is the specification? I think the primitives have changed since 'the bluebook'. >> >> Just to ask that question again: What is the conclusion, is the bug in the image or in the VM? >> > > Here the Squeak implementation of it: > > primGetNextEvent: array > "Store the next OS event available into the provided array. > Essential. If the VM is not event driven the ST code will fall > back to the old-style mechanism and use the state based > primitives instead." > | kbd buttons modifiers pos mapped | > <primitive: 94> > "Simulate the events" > array at: 1 put: EventTypeNone. "assume no more events" > > "First check for keyboard" > kbd := super primKbdNext. > kbd = nil ifFalse:[ > "simulate keyboard event" > array at: 1 put: EventTypeKeyboard. "evt type" > array at: 2 put: Time millisecondClockValue. "time stamp" > array at: 3 put: (kbd bitAnd: 255). "char code" > array at: 4 put: EventKeyChar. "key press/release" > array at: 5 put: (kbd bitShift: -8). "modifier keys" > ^self]. > > "Then check for mouse" > buttons := super primMouseButtons. > pos := super primMousePt. > modifiers := buttons bitShift: -3. > buttons := buttons bitAnd: 7. > mapped := self mapButtons: buttons modifiers: modifiers. > (pos = mousePosition and:[(mapped bitOr: (modifiers bitShift: 3)) = > mouseButtons]) > ifTrue:[^self]. > array > at: 1 put: EventTypeMouse; > at: 2 put: Time millisecondClockValue; > at: 3 put: pos x; > at: 4 put: pos y; > at: 5 put: mapped; > at: 6 put: modifiers. > > so, i assume that problem is in Pharo , which does not handling a > primitive failure correctly (by setting > array at: 1 put: EventTypeNone. ) > >> Thanks >> Stefan >> >> >> -- >> Stefan Marr >> Software Languages Lab >> Vrije Universiteit Brussel >> Pleinlaan 2 / B-1050 Brussels / Belgium >> http://soft.vub.ac.be/~smarr >> Phone: +32 2 629 2974 >> Fax: +32 2 629 3525 >> >> >> > > > > -- > Best regards, > Igor Stasenko AKA sig. >

2 1

Nov. 6, 2010

I found them. Now the question is how to handle the list.... On Nov 6, 2010, at 10:24 AM, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > > On Nov 5, 2010, at 2:41 PM, Juan Vuletich wrote: > >> Hi Folks, >> >> Cuis 2.8 is available at www.jvuletich.org/Cuis/Index.html . The release notes describes changes in recent versions (starting at 2.0). I believe many of the enhancements could be also useful for Pharo and rather easy to harvest. So, take a look! > > > Do you have a list of CSes somewhere? > >> >> Cheers, >> Juan Vuletich >> > >

1 0