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[Pharo-project] Not happy with the issues feed from Google
by Torsten Bergmann Nov. 18, 2010

Nov. 18, 2010

Keep it, otherwise issue tracker activity is hidden and now situation has really improved. It also reminds us on fixing or commenting on issues beside all the discussion on the list. Note that beside http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/pipermail/pharo-project/ there is also http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/pipermail/pharo-users with less traffic. Thx Torsten -- GRATIS! Movie-FLAT mit Ã¼ber 300 Videos. Jetzt freischalten unter http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/maxdome

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[Pharo-project] osx vm link is broken
by Tudor Girba Nov. 18, 2010

Nov. 18, 2010

Hi, It looks like the link to the latest regular VM for Mac OS X is broken: http://homepage.mac.com/johnmci/.Public/Squeak%204.2.5beta1U.app.zip Could it be fixed? Cheers, Doru -- www.tudorgirba.com "Not knowing how to do something is not an argument for how it cannot be done."

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Re: [Pharo-project] XOR: don't recieve a block
by Marcus Denker Nov. 18, 2010

Nov. 18, 2010

On Nov 18, 2010, at 6:58 PM, Levente Uzonyi wrote: > On Thu, 18 Nov 2010, Marcus Denker wrote: > >> >> On Nov 18, 2010, at 6:34 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: >> >>> & | don't >>> Do not cnfuse lazy and the others. >> >> >> true xor: [false] >> >> --> walkback. >> >> false xor: [false] >> >> --> [false] >> >> There is a call to #value missing (which will keep it working with booleans, too, as they understand >> #value, too (returning self)). > > That's a possible solution, but xor can't be lazy, so the block is just pointless. > So the question is if we do it for consistency... (between or:, and:, xor:. They are so close that it's strange to have different parameters for them. On the negative side, it does cost a send of #value (quick return self) for the case that one calls it on a boolean... Marcus -- Marcus Denker -- http://www.marcusdenker.de INRIA Lille -- Nord Europe. Team RMoD.

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[Pharo-project] Howto measure memory footprints of functions/objects/libraries in Pharo?
by Guido Stepken Nov. 18, 2010

Nov. 18, 2010

E.g.: Three different solutions for a Euler problem: (1 to: 999) inject: 0 into: [:sum :i | (i \\ 3 = 0) | (i \\ 5 = 0) ifTrue: [sum + i] ifFalse: [sum]] (1 to: 999) detectSum: [:i | (i \\ 3 = 0) | (i \\ 5 = 0) ifTrue: [i] ifFalse: [0]] (1 to: 999) detectSum: [:i | i * (#(0 0 1 0 1 1 0 0 1 1 0 1 0 0 1) atWrap: i)] How do i measure the exact memory footprint of each solution? Pharo claims having reduced memory footprint at many places. Can that be proofed, e.g. with one comparable demo app, once run in old squeak, once in Pharo 1.1/1.2? And no, MessageTally spyOn: does not do right! Tnx in advance, Guido Stepken

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Re: [Pharo-project] XOR: don't recieve a block
by StÃ©phane Ducasse Nov. 18, 2010

Nov. 18, 2010

& | don't Do not cnfuse lazy and the others. Stef On Nov 18, 2010, at 6:24 PM, Diogenes Moreira wrote: > Hi folks.. > > i found today, that xor: don't recieve a block and recibe aBoolean > > i can guess, it is wrong, because, the other logic operations > recieve blocks like parameters.. > > I this a bug? > > > Best Regards >

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Re: [Pharo-project] Not happy with the issues feed from Google
by StÃ©phane Ducasse Nov. 18, 2010

Nov. 18, 2010

On Nov 18, 2010, at 5:53 PM, Stephan Eggermont wrote: > Mariano wrote: >> Remember that most email client support filters. You can easily create one. > > - That doesn't help with the web interface; ?? > - My mail client supports RSS feeds, the added value of a duplicate is low; But you just get a bad summary from squeak-source I have to click on the link all the time. > - Filtering doesn't work with digests; I do not understand > - The subject is not good and the content is not good for a mailing list; Why Bugs are our concerns > - It reduces the searchability/usability of the mailing list archives; Why? I want to look for bug discussions there too and not using a bad google search engine. > > Stephan >

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Re: [Pharo-project] Not happy with the issues feed from Google
by StÃ©phane Ducasse Nov. 18, 2010

Nov. 18, 2010

there is a mailing-list for newbies. Stef On Nov 18, 2010, at 5:22 PM, George Herolyants wrote: > +1 too > > Though I created filter in my web client declining such messages, I > still think that for newcomers or people searching the net this is not > good to see all that stuff. It's very easy to get lost in this heap of > emails. What's the idea behind it? > > 2010/11/18 Dave Mason <dmason(a)mason-rose.ca>: >>> I'm not happy to see the feed subscribed to this mailing list. >> >> >> +1 >> >> Why not create Pharo-project-issues and initially subscribe everyone on this list but let people unsubscribe from that but continue to follow the discussions here. >> >>> As a workflow, it also has problems, as reply mails are not added back to the issue tracker. >> >> I'm more equivocal about this statement. >> >> ../Dave >> >

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Nov. 18, 2010

On Nov 18, 2010, at 6:17 PM, Miguel CobÃ¡ wrote: > El jue, 18-11-2010 a las 12:14 -0500, Yanni Chiu escribiÃ³: >> On 18/11/10 11:52 AM, Stephan Eggermont wrote: >>> Mariano wrote: >>>> Remember that most email client support filters. You can easily create one. >>> >>> - That doesn't help with the web interface; >>> - My mail client supports RSS feeds, the added value of a duplicate is low; >>> - Filtering doesn't work with digests; >>> - The subject is not good and the content is not good for a mailing list; >>> - It reduces the searchability/usability of the mailing list archives; >> >> I agree with all these points. IMHO, mixing auto-generated messages with >> "live" messages is not a good idea. > > Can this be configured so that only the issue creation and closure are > notified to the list, and not all the modifications to the issue? I do not think so > > > -- > Miguel CobÃ¡ > http://twitter.com/MiguelCobaMtz > http://miguel.leugim.com.mx > > > >

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[Pharo-project] XOR: don't recieve a block
by Diogenes Moreira Nov. 18, 2010

Nov. 18, 2010

Hi folks.. i found today, that xor: don't recieve a block and recibe aBoolean i can guess, it is wrong, because, the other logic operations recieve blocks like parameters.. I this a bug? Best Regards

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Nov. 18, 2010

On Nov 18, 2010, at 5:16 PM, Guido Stepken wrote: > Beginners Bugs in Pharo 1.1 on Linux: > > In System Browser i choose Tools-Base->Workspace->initization->initialize > > and see code > > os := (Smalltalk platformName) > > hmmm. > > I open Shout Workspace, type Smalltalk pl ... and i get 'platformFamily' suggested. No 'platformName' offered by Shout completion mode. shout or oCompletion because oCompletion is based on the frequency of the last message you typed and it does not register all the method of the services at first. > And: I cannot choose from other offers in suggestion list by clicking with mouse. Why? I do not know :) may be because nobody proposed code to do so. > Linux Problem? > > Next example: In Shout Workspace i enter: TTSampleFontMorph new openInWorld. <ALT-P> in 1.2 it is working on my machine and also in 1.1.1.dev10.09.2 on mac. And I can delete it with the halos. > > I get an error and a ghostframe, that i cannot delete. And: Completion mode when i enter TTSample ... does not work. Fuck! this is not polite :) > What are you guys thinking of your work on Pharo, e.g. quality testing? Nothing! we are dull in a lot of topics :) > Did you never notice, that even the basics of completion mode in Shout Browser are buggy? which version? which image? I suggest you to stay friendly if you want that we spend our time to reply nicely to you and I will not be as violent as you and I fully understand your frustration. There is nothing more violent that a huge silence. Now pay me two engineer for 2 years and you will not recognize pharo :). > Then i open in World Menu: Tools->Filebrowser i get Error:Invalid utf8 input detected May be there is a problem on linux. because it works both on 1.2unstable and 1.1.1.dev10.09.2 > We need a perfectly running Pharo on Linux/Wine (Ubuntu 9.10). Yes we want that > And no, no MAC here anywhere in schools in germany. > > Can you imagine, that a teacher and his pupils drive mad on such simple bugs? My wife is a teacher and I give lecture to computer illiterate too. > So i have to teach with SCRATCH or BYOB in class. No serious bugs, no problems. How much payed engineered was put on the table? And how much complexity is shown to people with scratch? > regards, Guido Stepken I spent 10 min of ***my time*** to nicely reply to you so keep the situation so that I enjoy doing that. Stef

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