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Re: [Pharo-project] Encodings, Charsets, converters... streams?
by Fernando Olivero June 28, 2012

June 28, 2012

Cant we throw them all? And later add one by one when (if at all...) needed? Fernando On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 5:34 PM, Guillermo Polito <guillermopolito(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I've spent 3 hours on trying to understand deeply the Multilingual mess, but I'm dying in the process... Â It mixes environments with charsets... Some charsets and converters are for really old OS versions... Sometimes it uses unicode, some times not... argggdsdsa > > On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 5:25 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr<mailto:stephane.ducasse@inria.fr>> wrote: > ok but how can we build a concrete roadmap. > What are the steps that we can take and perform one by one. > > Stef > > On Jun 27, 2012, at 3:11 PM, Henrik Sperre Johansen wrote: > >> On 25.06.2012 18<tel:25.06.2012%2018>:06, Denis Kudriashov wrote: >>> Hello. >>> >>> What is responsibility of environments (russian, japanese) classes. >>> Why its needed? Why converter classes not enough? >>> >>> For example, I can write russian text at workspace without setting any specific russian environment. I only need specific fonts for this. >>> >> Novadays, they can be used to read number/date printing policies, decide which translation package to use, etc. Basically what you'd expect from an OS locale, but more limited in capabilities. >> >> The part linked to charsets and encodings seem to me an anachronism from when the OS's used different encodings based on the selected environment though. (so files would be read and written automatically Â with the correct (non-unicode) encoding, and potentially displayed using a different bitmap font through selection using leadingChar) >> >>> 2012/6/25 Guillermo Polito <guillermopolito(a)gmail.com<mailto:guillermopolito@gmail.com>> >>> Hi guys, >>> >>> I'm trying to understand the Multilingual packages to get things a bit more reorganized. This way we can start to have a simpler and understandable kernel. So, >>> >>> - We have all environments(greek, chinese, japanese, korean, russian...) in the same package. Â Each environment has it's associated charset, and text converter, which are in different packages. Â Also, each text converter has a table of conversions between unicode and the encoding. But all converters are together, and all charsets are together. >>> >>> What about putting related things together? I mean, japanese converter with japanese environment with japanese charset in one package. Same with russian, korean, chinese... Â Does it make sense? Â This way we should be able to unload one of them if we do not really need it. >>> >> >>> - MultiByteFileStream and MultiByteBinaryOrTextStream are inside Multilingual-TextConversion? Â Even, they do the same on top of a file or a memory stream of bytes (or they say so in the comment :^D )... >>> >>> What about merging them? using a decorator? They have a lot in common... :/ Â Put them in a different package? >> They are not neatly composed. >> Trying to merge them so the methods work with a file and bytearray/string backend equivalently would probably only make things even worse. >> Using a decorator would be hard, since the MultiByteFileStream method implementations use alot of its inherited behaviour. >> >> As for putting them in a different package, sure you can peddle crap around all you want, but that doesn't make it stink any less. >>> >>> - Just curious. ImmPlugin is working or shipped with vms? Not for macos, because there is no macos implementation. Then, the class comment says: >>> >>> "On Windows, the plugin is not provided in the shipped VM's, and its current whereabouts are uncertain. >>> >>> On Unix, the only implemented behaviour is setting the position when over-the-spot precomposition of characters is the current mode. >>> >>> In the VM, the mode is chosen to the first available valid mode returned by the X Server, so whether this is actually relevant at all depends on the X Server." >>> >>> So, does someone use it and see value on keeping it? >> >> Sure, there is value in neatly integrating OS input methods for composed characters. >> >> Whether that belongs in a plugin of it's own, and whether what the plugin currently offers justifies its existence, is a different question, which I guess the removal was the answer to. :) >> >> To find any potential actual users, I guess you'd have to find a pharo app localized to the eastern hemisphere and have it ask their linux users if they appreciate it/if it works. >> That, or a developer from the same area who codes in his native language (which will be hard I think, given arbitrary tool constraints wrt message names etc.) >> >> Cheers, >> Henry > > >

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[Pharo-project] Do the VM's used on Jenkins include the SSL plugin ?
by Sven Van Caekenberghe June 28, 2012

June 28, 2012

Guys, All Zodiac tests on the build server fail because there seems to be no SSL plugin (or maybe the right SSL libs 32bit are not installed). Error Message primitive #primitiveSSLCreate in ZdcPluginSSLSession failed Stacktrace ZdcPluginSSLSession(Object)>>primitiveFailed: ZdcPluginSSLSession(Object)>>primitiveFailed ZdcPluginSSLSession>>primitiveSSLCreate ZdcPluginSSLSession>>initialize ZdcPluginSSLSession class(Behavior)>>new ZdcSecureSocketStream>>sslSession ZdcSecureSocketStream>>connect ZnNetworkingUtils>>socketStreamToUrlDirectly: ZnNetworkingUtils>>socketStreamToUrl: ZnNetworkingUtils class>>socketStreamToUrl: ZnClient>>getConnectionAndExecute ZnClient>>executeWithRedirectsRemaining: [self executeWithRedirectsRemaining: self maxNumberOfRedirects] in ZnClient>>executeWithRetriesRemaining: BlockClosure>>on:do: ZnClient>>executeWithRetriesRemaining: [self ifFailBlock ifNil: [self executeWithRetriesRemaining: self numberOfRetries] ifNotNil: [[self executeWithRetriesRemaining: self numberOfRetries] on: self exceptionSetForIfFail do: self ifFailBlock]] in ZnClient>>executeWithTimeout [^ block value] in ZnClient>>withTimeoutDo: [p psValueAt: index put: anObject. aBlock value] in ZnConnectionTimeout(DynamicVariable)>>value:during: BlockClosure>>ensure: ZnConnectionTimeout(DynamicVariable)>>value:during: ZnConnectionTimeout class(DynamicVariable class)>>value:during: ZnClient>>withTimeoutDo: ZnClient>>executeWithTimeout ZnClient>>execute ZnClient>>get ZnClient>>get: ZnHTTPSTests>>testGmailEncrypted Sven

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[Pharo-project] Tests Guard for 20167
by Pavel Krivanek June 28, 2012

June 28, 2012

Tests Guard report for 20167: http://code.google.com/p/pharo/wiki/TestsGuard There are two big changes: Zodiac integration and working Windows host (GREAT!) We have got two new platform independent failures: * KernelTests.Chronology.DateTest.testAsSeconds * Zinc.Zodiac.ZnHTTPSTests.testWikimedia Several Zodiac related Linux and Windows failures: * Zodiac.Tests.ZdcSecureSocketStreamTests.testPlain * Zinc.Zodiac.ZnHTTPSTests.testAmazonAWS * Zinc.Zodiac.ZnHTTPSTests.testGForceInria * Zinc.Zodiac.ZnHTTPSTests.testGmailEncrypted * Zinc.Zodiac.ZnHTTPSTests.testGoogleEncrypted * Zinc.Zodiac.ZnHTTPSTests.testPayPal * Zinc.Zodiac.ZnHTTPSTests.testRequestResponse * Zinc.Zodiac.ZnHTTPSTests.testTransfers * Zinc.Zodiac.ZnHTTPSTests.testTransfersSingleClient ...and several Windows specific failures: * CompressionTests.Archive.ZipArchiveTest.testCreateWithRelativeNames * FileSystem.Tests.Disk.DiskFileSystemTest.testDefaultWorkingDirectory * FileSystem.Tests.Disk.DiskFileSystemTest.testReferenceTo * FileSystem.Tests.Memory.MemoryFileSystemTest.testReferenceTo * NetworkTests.Kernel.SocketStreamTest.testUpToAfterCloseSignaling * NetworkTests.Kernel.SocketStreamTest.testUpToAllAfterCloseSignaling * NetworkTests.Url.UrlTest.testRoundTripFILE * Tests.Monticello.MCDataStreamTest.testFileNamed * Tests.Monticello.MCDataStreamTest.testReadOnlyFileNamed No test was made green. Cheers, -- Pavel

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[Pharo-project] [update 1.4] #14446
by Marcus Denker June 28, 2012

June 28, 2012

14446 ----- Issue 6189: [BUG]: Port to Pharo 1.4 - stdin hangs until EOF http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=6189 Issue 6143: MIME decoding and Unicode not working http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=6143 -- Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de

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[Pharo-project] Pharo 1.4 and Zodiac
by Dario Trussardi June 28, 2012

June 28, 2012

Hi, i work with Pharo1.4 Latest update: #14445 on MacBook. I'm interested to do TLS with Zodiac. I load the relative Zodiac 1.0 version In the http://zdc.stfx.eu/zodiac-paper.html i read: " Installation instructions can be found there. Note that Zodiac not only requires Smalltalk code but a VM plugin as well, some VMs include the plugin by default. " Now when i do https request : ZnEasy get: 'https://www.sandbox.paypal.com'. the system erase the error: PrimitiveFailed: primitive #primitiveSSLCreate in ZdcPluginSSLSession failed What i need to do ? I can download a Pharo image with the relative VM plugin installed ? Thanks for any consideration. Dario

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[Pharo-project] MCSqueaksourceRepository
by Sean P. DeNigris June 28, 2012

June 28, 2012

What is the plan for this class? There don't seem to be any mentions of it in the list archives, it doesn't seem to be used, and doesn't exist in Squeak... Thanks, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/MCSqueaksourceRepository-tp4636737.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

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[Pharo-project] Updating a Plugin on Jenkins
by Sean P. DeNigris June 27, 2012

June 27, 2012

I'd like to update the URL Trigger plugin to the latest version before proceeding with "Issue 6076: Pharo Jenkins build triggers not working". Is it alright if I do that and restart through the web UI? That's how I do it on my personal Jenkins, but wanted to check first with the Jenkins team... Thanks, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Updating-a-Plugin-on-Jenkins-tp4636979.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

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[Pharo-project] [update 2.0] #20167
by Marcus Denker June 27, 2012

June 27, 2012

20167 ----- Issue 6176: Add Zodiac https support (add Zinc-Zodiac) http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=6176 Issue 6181: put order on SUnit-Core-Utilities http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=6181 -- Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de

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[Pharo-project] Encodings, Charsets, converters... streams?
by Guillermo Polito June 27, 2012

June 27, 2012

Hi guys, I'm trying to understand the Multilingual packages to get things a bit more reorganized. This way we can start to have a simpler and understandable kernel. So, - We have all environments(greek, chinese, japanese, korean, russian...) in the same package. Each environment has it's associated charset, and text converter, which are in different packages. Also, each text converter has a table of conversions between unicode and the encoding. But all converters are together, and all charsets are together. What about putting related things together? I mean, japanese converter with japanese environment with japanese charset in one package. Same with russian, korean, chinese... Does it make sense? This way we should be able to unload one of them if we do not really need it. - MultiByteFileStream and MultiByteBinaryOrTextStream are inside Multilingual-TextConversion? Even, they do the same on top of a file or a memory stream of bytes (or they say so in the comment :^D )... What about merging them? using a decorator? They have a lot in common... :/ Put them in a different package? - Just curious. ImmPlugin is working or shipped with vms? Not for macos, because there is no macos implementation. Then, the class comment says: *"On Windows, the plugin is not provided in the shipped VM's, and its current whereabouts are uncertain. On Unix, the only implemented behaviour is setting the position when over-the-spot precomposition of characters is the current mode. In the VM, the mode is chosen to the first available valid mode returned by the X Server, so whether this is actually relevant at all depends on the X Server.*" So, does someone use it and see value on keeping it? Guille

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[Pharo-project] [update 2.0] #20166
by Marcus Denker June 27, 2012

June 27, 2012

20166 ----- Issue 6185: Number>>#@ should not be part of Graphics http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=6185 Issue 6143: MIME decoding and Unicode not working http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=6143 -- Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de

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