- Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Fwd: poolDictionaries removal breaks my projects
by Pharo4Stef Feb. 2, 2014

Feb. 2, 2014

From: StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> Subject: Re: [Pharo-dev] poolDictionaries removal breaks my projects Date: 2 Feb 2014 00:30:04 GMT+1 To: Pharo Development List <pharo-dev(a)lists.pharo.org> Johan YOU ARE RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT. I spent a significant amount of time teaching Smalltalk to know that you are right. And this change will be in the system :) Just people that know something totally ignore what is it to learn something. Imagine people are scared and close the debuggers. Oscar wrote patterns and I always say the debugger is your best friend so do not close it. Stef > >>> I donât see how this change make Smalltalk (the language) simpler. For me this change looks more like an obfuscation than a simplification. >> >> How many lectures did you give? It is annoying to have to explain something that usually people do not need to know. > > To complement this: in my own experience as a full-time prof, whenever you are teaching and at a given point you need to say: 'I cannot explain this yet' or resort to handwaving there is something wrong. Do I need to explain pooldictionaries to be able to talk about class creation? No, I should not need to do that. > > I get this feeling with Java all the time. First hello world example in Java is always a mess. public static void main(String[] args) OMG. Start to explain all that just to do a println? Were is the simplicity there? I don't want to have this kind of feeling when I explain Smalltalk. > >>> How should newcomers know how to enter pool dictionaries? I rarely use pool dictionaries and if I will need it I surely have forgotten about >>> this change and expect irritation and frustration. >> >> Newcomers do not use pooldictionaries. In 10 years smalltalking I used them twice. > > I agree with Stef that pooldictionaries are advanced features. I have been Smalltalking since 1998 and I have never used them. > > > ---> Save our in-boxes! http://emailcharter.org <--- > > Johan Fabry - http://pleiad.cl/~jfabry > PLEIAD lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile > >

1 0

Recruit more volunteers
by Sebastian Sastre Feb. 1, 2014

Feb. 1, 2014

Smalltalk gives here only 4 hits in this site where people wanting to learn might reach the community: http://openhatch.org/search/ Not Amber not Pharo not Squeak are there Leave a seed? sebastian o/

2 1

[pharo-project/pharo-core]
by GitHub Feb. 1, 2014

Feb. 1, 2014

Branch: refs/tags/30734 Home: https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core

1 0

[pharo-project/pharo-core] 5ea61e: 30734
by GitHub Feb. 1, 2014

Feb. 1, 2014

Branch: refs/heads/3.0 Home: https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core Commit: 5ea61e56e16a0efe7cb6de6db80e9d5aacab4064 https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core/commit/5ea61e56e16a0efe7cb6de6d… Author: Jenkins Build Server <board(a)pharo-project.org> Date: 2014-02-01 (Sat, 01 Feb 2014) Changed paths: M FileSystem-Core.package/IllegalName.class/README.md M FileSystem-Tests-Core.package/AbstractEnumerationVisitorTest.class/README.md M FileSystem-Tests-Core.package/BreadthFirstGuideTest.class/README.md M FileSystem-Tests-Core.package/CollectVisitorTest.class/README.md M FileSystem-Tests-Core.package/CopyVisitorTest.class/README.md M FileSystem-Tests-Core.package/DeleteVisitorTest.class/README.md M FileSystem-Tests-Core.package/DirectoryEntryTest.class/README.md M FileSystem-Tests-Core.package/FileLocatorTest.class/README.md M FileSystem-Tests-Core.package/FileReferenceTest.class/README.md M FileSystem-Tests-Core.package/FileSystemHandleTest.class/README.md M FileSystem-Tests-Core.package/FileSystemResolverTest.class/README.md M FileSystem-Tests-Core.package/FileSystemTreeTest.class/README.md M FileSystem-Tests-Core.package/GuideTest.class/README.md M FileSystem-Tests-Core.package/InteractiveResolverTest.class/README.md M FileSystem-Tests-Core.package/PathTest.class/README.md M FileSystem-Tests-Core.package/PlatformResolverTest.class/README.md M FileSystem-Tests-Core.package/PostorderGuideTest.class/README.md M FileSystem-Tests-Core.package/PreorderGuideTest.class/README.md M FileSystem-Tests-Core.package/SelectVisitorTest.class/README.md M FileSystem-Tests-Core.package/SingleTreeTest.class/README.md M FileSystem-Tests-Core.package/SystemResolverTest.class/README.md M FileSystem-Tests-Disk.package/DiskFileSystemTest.class/README.md M FileSystem-Tests-Disk.package/FileHandleTest.class/README.md M FileSystem-Tests-Disk.package/WindowsStoreTest.class/README.md M FileSystem-Tests-Memory.package/MemoryFileSystemTest.class/README.md M FileSystem-Tests-Memory.package/MemoryHandleTest.class/README.md M Kernel.package/Process.class/instance/accessing/isTerminated.st A ScriptLoader30.package/ScriptLoader.class/instance/pharo - scripts/script387.st A ScriptLoader30.package/ScriptLoader.class/instance/pharo - updates/update30734.st M ScriptLoader30.package/ScriptLoader.class/instance/public/commentForCurrentUpdate.st M System-Changes.package/CurrentChangeSetChanged.class/README.md M System-Clipboard.package/MacOSClipboard.class/README.md M System-FilePackage.package/FilePackage.class/README.md M System-FilePackage.package/PseudoMetaclass.class/README.md M System-Hashing.package/HashFunction.class/README.md M System-Installers.package/MczInstaller.class/README.md M System-Localization.package/ISOLanguageDefinition.class/README.md M System-Localization.package/LocaleID.class/README.md M System-Settings.package/MultipleSettingDeclaration.class/README.md M System-Settings.package/SettingNodeBuilder.class/README.md M System-Settings.package/SettingTreeBuilder.class/README.md M System-Settings.package/SystemSettingLauncher.class/README.md M System-Support.package/ExternalDropHandler.class/README.md M UIManager.package/DummySystemProgressItem.class/README.md M UIManager.package/ProvideAnswerNotification.class/README.md Log Message: ----------- 30734 12761 Class comments missing for FileSystem package https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/12761 11674 MNU: receiver of #> is nil https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/11674 12762 Class comments missing in UIManager https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/12762 12756 Class comments missing in System-* package https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/12756 http://files.pharo.org/image/30/30734.zip

1 0

[ANN] Objective Smalltalk
by Sebastian Sastre Feb. 1, 2014

Feb. 1, 2014

It seems there is an Objective-C with Smalltalk syntax: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7161566 Vote up! sebastian o/

1 0

Yet another week of commits
by Pharo4Stef Feb. 1, 2014

Feb. 1, 2014

Another week of improvements http://association.pharo.org/web/weekly/Commits-Jan-3 stef

4 4

Slides from Fosdem: Pharo4: Plans and Dreams
by Marcus Denker Feb. 1, 2014

Feb. 1, 2014

Pharo4: Plans and Dreams http://www.slideshare.net/MarcusDenker/2013-fosdempharo4 http://marcusdenker.de/talks/14Fosdem/2013-FOSDEM-Pharo4.pdf

1 0

Slides Pharo3 Fosdem
by Marcus Denker Feb. 1, 2014

Feb. 1, 2014

Hi, My slides for Fosdem are online (Pharo3, Pharo4 later) http://www.slideshare.net/MarcusDenker/pharo3-at-fosdem http://marcusdenker.de/talks/14Fosdem/2014-FOSDEM-Pharo3.pdf

2 1

lookInGeneralPreferencesFolder
by Sebastian Sastre Feb. 1, 2014

Feb. 1, 2014

Hi guys, that method is raising an exception when moving the image from one OS to other

2 1

back and oldBack in UTF-8 files
by Pavel Krivanek Jan. 31, 2014

Jan. 31, 2014

Hi, I was looking why we cannot do condenseChanges and the reason looks to be clear: we do not have proper methods to move backwards (messages #back and # oldBack) in UTF-8 files. The current implementation changes position by one byte but in UTF-8 files it can be up to six bytes. And it's worse. We do not have mechanism how a text converter could handle this. Obvious solution is to rewrite condenseChanges to backup position somehow and do not move backwards at all but it doesn't seem to be so easy. Any ideas? And why do we need working condenseChanges? Because when we unload non-kernel packages and load them back, the resultant changes file has about 51MB :-) Cheers, -- Pavel

3 2