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[Pharo-project] RE : Re: Emacs and Smalltalk code
by Philippe Back Oct. 9, 2012

Oct. 9, 2012

Live coding as experienced in pharo is really superior. It changes everything about how to think about programming. And I am a vi freak lets me tell you. Philippe Back 0478 650 140 Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> a Ã©crit : On 8 October 2012 21:03, Frank Shearar <frank.shearar(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On 8 October 2012 19:22, Igor Stasenko <siguctua(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> On 8 October 2012 20:08, Frank Shearar <frank.shearar(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> On 8 October 2012 19:02, Frank Shearar <frank.shearar(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> On 8 October 2012 18:31, Damien Cassou <damien.cassou(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> On Mon, Oct 8, 2012 at 4:51 PM, Oscar E A CallaÃº < oalvarez(a)dcc.uchile.cl> wrote: >>>>>> I'm using Aquamacs (mac UI for emacs) as my default editor. But I have a problem, when trying to read a .st file, I don't get the syntax highlighting (so all is black-&-white). How I can solve this issue? >>>>> >>>>> Pharo/Smalltalk is not meant to be coded in Emacs, you have to use >>>>> Pharo currently (that may change in the future). >>>> >>>> For shame, Damien. Why is Smalltalk not meant to be coded in a text >>>> editor? It is text, after all. Next thing you'll suggest that one >>>> shouldn't use git to store one's code. >>> >>> Alright, OK, I wrote that with at least 50% troll in the mix. (*) >>> There's no reason why one shouldn't be able to use standard text >>> manipulation techniques to hack on Smalltalk code. We simply never >>> bothered doing so, and I dare say that the majority of people on this >>> list are happy not supporting text-using tools. >>> >>> (*) OK, OK, 75%. >>> >> Being told so many times.. People still keep missing the point. >> Smalltalk is not just source code it is environment of live objects. >> Good luck manipulating live objects in emacs. > > Please show me a live object in a Browser. Please. No, not a textual > representation of a computation. Oh, that's right, you are STILL > writing source code prior to compiling. Fail. > Oh come on, do you know that navigating code made by talking to live objects, not searching through whole source text, then doing static analysis (like some IDEs doing)? If you using browser only for typing, then you Fail. >> It is , of course up to you, If you prefer to code in stone age. >> I, personally cannot code outside image, without browser , debugger and such.. > > That's a strawman. I WANT a debugger, I WANT inspectors. I also WANT a > proper top level syntax and the ability to use the thousands of tools > that everyone else in the WHOLE WORLD takes for granted. OK, I've > exceeded my capital letter quota for the day. (Also, clearly you've > never used SLIME. I know this because SLIME lets you do everything you > could want to, because it queries a real live running system to get > its information. And guess how the Lispers store their source code? In > text files, in git. > Yes. I never used SLIME. I even don't know what is it. If you think it is far superior to what we have in pharo, please feel free to open our eyes, and direct us towards better system. > I have seen zero reason in my, er, 13 years of Smalltalk, why we > shouldn't enter source code in a proper text editor, with source > properly stored in files on a disk. Yes, I want to live inside a > running system as much as possible - not all the time, not being > forced to do so because we lack the tools - but as much as possible. > But source code is not a live object, it is text. And text should be > munged by text tools, and stored in text files, and kept in a > text-friendly source control system. > In 13 years, you had plenty of time to change things to meet your demands. Instead, you chosen path of complaining.. you make me laugh :) I can tell you more: things which you miss would be done long ago, if they would be needed so badly. But reality is that they are not. > What else do you think bootstrapping is all about? It's taking some > tiny system, and making a recipe to lift that bootstrap, and that > recipe is not a living object, it is a specification, and it's written > in text. > This is orthogonal. > Smalltalk is wonderful, and the reason I still hack in it is because I > can find nothing else that comes close to its sense of aliveness and > engagement, and I nearly cry when I see the community reject things > because of some strange ideology with the result that we end up lost > in the dark. > Defend your view, find allies, communicate. Contribute your code. And one day you will awake having much better system. Or, if you think we moving into wrong direction, and nothing can help, you can always start own fork (like Juan did with Cuis) and fix things there to meet your standards. Sitting and crying is not a solution. > Anyway. When I have something to show, I'll talk more on this topic. > > frank > >>> frank >>> >> >> -- >> Best regards, >> Igor Stasenko. >> > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko.

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[Pharo-project] [update 2.0] #20328
by Marcus Denker Oct. 9, 2012

Oct. 9, 2012

20328 ----- Issue 6749: put off smart-character as default http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=6749 Issue 6735: Add INRIA to the copyright (among the others) http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=6735 (and yes, we do have in writing that all inria contributions are MIT license) -- Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de

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[Pharo-project] Emacs and Smalltalk code
by Oscar E A CallaÃº Oct. 9, 2012

Oct. 9, 2012

Hi all, I'm using Aquamacs (mac UI for emacs) as my default editor. But I have a problem, when trying to read a .st file, I don't get the syntax highlighting (so all is black-&-white). How I can solve this issue? Cheers.

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[Pharo-project] [update 2.0] One-click files
by Marcus Denker Oct. 9, 2012

Oct. 9, 2012

Some fixes for the one-click build: Issue 6653: Unable to open image if path contains accentuated characters http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=6653 Issue 5786: New text to put in the one-click README.txt file http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=5786 -- Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de

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[Pharo-project] [update 2.0] #20327
by Marcus Denker Oct. 9, 2012

Oct. 9, 2012

20327 ----- Issue 6765: Rename Method Refactoring fails on Override http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=6765 -- Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de

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[Pharo-project] Global session object?
by Igor Stasenko Oct. 8, 2012

Oct. 8, 2012

I wanna have this: SmalltalkImage>>snapshot: save andQuit: quit ... resuming ifTrue: [ session := self newSession ]. ... (where session is additional instance variable of SmalltalkImage). SmalltalkImage>>newSession "Just answer unique object, which never can be identical to any previous session object, this is all what we need for detecting session change. A session object don't needs to carry any state (we have plenty of other objects in image which can do this for us). it just needs to be unique" ^ Object new. SmalltalkImage>>session ^ session then, i can write in own code: Smalltalk session == mySession ifFalse: [ self initForNewSession. mySession := Smalltalk session ] So, basically, this little addition allows you to detect whether session changed or not between two different calls to your code (given that you remembered the previous session somewhere). Currently we don't have such feature, and looking how some existing code deals with session management, i see how it can be simplified. If you want to do something similar today, you will need to register in startup list.. which IMO stinks ;) i don't like using startup lists, since you never know , what is the right order of resource initialization, and what inter-dependencies they may form, and changing dependencies over time will require changing startup order, again and again. Not fun. This technique allows you to lazily re-initialize any of your object(s) due to session change, once the control flow hits your code, but not before. (so you don't have to do all accounting at image startup time, you doing it only when it required/requested, which means shorter image startup time). The notion of session is highly important for external resource management. I using it in NativeBoost from very beginning, and wanna propose to use it globally. -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko.

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[Pharo-project] spec + shortcuts
by Camillo Bruni Oct. 8, 2012

Oct. 8, 2012

I just looked at https://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=6736 Everything looks more or less ok, the keymapping integration is nice! I have one doubt though (and I really don't know anything about spec...). How do I explicitly set the default focus when opening an spec UI-item?

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[Pharo-project] How do I add Keyboard Shortcuts to the ChangesBrowser?
by Camillo Bruni Oct. 8, 2012

Oct. 8, 2012

How do I do that? I am very lazy, each time I have to move my hand to the mouse I get exhausted... For refactorings we have this nice ChangesBrowser that pops up. I would like to add the following features: - default selection on the first item in the list - up/down changes selection - CMD+s accept the changes - ESC close the window how can I add the link to the keymapping shortcuts within this spec thingy?

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[Pharo-project] [update 2.0] #20326
by Marcus Denker Oct. 8, 2012

Oct. 8, 2012

20326 ----- Issue 6772: Incorrect MorphTreeNodeMorph>>selectionFrame http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=6772 Issue 6754: Nautilus Browser Restricted Package by Regex http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=6754 -- Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de

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[Pharo-project] outdated wiki entries
by Camillo Bruni Oct. 7, 2012

Oct. 7, 2012

If I look at the wiki on https://code.google.com/p/pharo/w/list I see a lot of entries that are no longer valid and outdated... I will delete all the entries without changes in the last year and which have no value to developers. If anyone wants these entries back they are safely archived in the google's svn. best cami

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