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[Pharo-project] thoughts of a tired but happy man...
by StÃ©phane Ducasse Sept. 23, 2011

Sept. 23, 2011

Since I work too much I'm tired and when I'm tired I have strange thoughts :) Let us see what they are (if of any interest) I do not really know if people realize that in fact we could be payed for building our own private little toy and we could publish cool papers, looks smart and look at ourselves quite proudly in the mirror the morning. The look of the guy that accomplished his duty and is quite cool too. This would be a perfect life: a full life of a brillant researcher having fun with his little toys. Students of course would have fun with us and we would be a happy family. Imagine we could even write books, little books and everybody would be happy. flower, butterflies and the rest... Now we decided to do pharo. Why: because we want other people to be able to make a living out of it. I'm not sure that people deeply understand that. We do pharo (of course so that we can experiment crazy ideas but we could have probably do that better in Scheme from my experience) because we want others to be empowered and in the position of making money with it and changing/controlling their life because they are not forced to use something that they do not like. So this means that each time we spend time on it (we = the community) we make sure that others or the community can feed their kids based on our labor. For me this is a cool task and I enjoyed doing it even if sometimes my moral is low because I would like to go much much faster. You could think that we should have better done to have fun with our little toys and sometimes I think that yes this could be true. But we decided that it was more rewarding to build real systems with customers that are not always happy, have bugs. So when you have strong expectations, bold statements about Pharo think also that this is the simple work of people most of the time not payed to do it and that nicely share it. We know where we want to go, sometimes the system does not get the shape we want. but each little peebles after the other one we shape it. Now you can also help to make it better. Stef

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[Pharo-project] [update 1.3] #13309
by Marcus Denker Sept. 23, 2011

Sept. 23, 2011

13309 ----- Issue 4850: Undeclared var textMorph in StringHolder http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=4850 -- Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de

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[Pharo-project] [update 1.4] #14161
by Marcus Denker Sept. 23, 2011

Sept. 23, 2011

14161 ----- Issue 4848: Fixing comment display in changeset http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=4848 -- Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de

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[Pharo-project] [update 1.3] #13308
by Marcus Denker Sept. 23, 2011

Sept. 23, 2011

13308 ----- Issue 4609: Syntax highlighting broken http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=4609 -- Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de

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Re: [Pharo-project] what are the frameworks to develop 3d interactive world like codecity in Pharo
by Marcus Denker Sept. 23, 2011

Sept. 23, 2011

On Sep 22, 2011, at 11:16 PM, Frank Church wrote: > > Aren't OpenCobalt, http://www.opencobalt.org/ , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Cobalt, and Croquet, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croquet_Project, projects running along those lines? > > According to wikipedia OpenCobalt is the continuation of Squeak. > Is OpenCobalt actively developed? To me it looked like it died quickly after all the technical people left to do Qwaq... Now OpenQwaq is GPL, so we will not even think about it as it will make all our thoughts GPL, too. Marcus -- Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de

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Re: [Pharo-project] [squeak-dev] new Cog VMs available [please read]
by Eliot Miranda Sept. 23, 2011

Sept. 23, 2011

On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 12:58 PM, Tony Garnock-Jones <tonyg(a)ccs.neu.edu>wrote: > On 2011-09-22 1:37 PM, Eliot Miranda wrote: > > If you're already using a > > 2487 VM or newer > > How do I find the VM version? Pressing cmd-I on the .app in Finder gives > a version of "Croquet Cog 4.0.0 http://www.mirandabanda.org". Presumably > there's an in-image way of finding out? > (1007 to: 1009) collect: [:i| Smalltalk getSystemAttribute: i] which may have a nicer wrapper (e.g. included in About Squeak?). 1009 answers the svn revision and url in my VMs and the analogous info in Igor's VMs. > Regards, > Tony > -- best, Eliot

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[Pharo-project] Integrating Changes in 1.4 that require a new VM
by Marcus Denker Sept. 23, 2011

Sept. 23, 2011

Hi, There are two changesets waiting for integrating in 1.4 that have serious consequences: - Ephemerons. The VM level changes are in the Cog VMs build on Jenkins, but have not been integrated in the VMMaker codebase. http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=4265 - Finalization code checks for #hasNewFinalization This is true in the current VMs build in Jenkins, but in older VMs this is not in. http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=4483 There are two options: a) integrate in b) not integrate it a) means that the image runs on older VMs, too. b) means we accept that we can never improve anything for real. There will be more changes coming... e.g. imagine we have a Vector Graphics Canvas as some point next year... what will we do? use it or not use it to stay compatible? Marcus -- Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de

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Re: [Pharo-project] [squeak-dev] new Cog VMs available [please read]
by Eliot Miranda Sept. 23, 2011

Sept. 23, 2011

2011/9/22 StÃ©phane Rollandin <lecteur(a)zogotounga.net> > > I want to see >> C stack backtraces from these VMs whenever they crash. >> > > Here is one :) > Brilliant! Found the bug!! Thanks sooo much!! > Stef > > > > -- best, Eliot

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[Pharo-project] what are the frameworks to develop 3d interactive world like codecity in Pharo
by StÃ©phane Ducasse Sept. 22, 2011

Sept. 22, 2011

Hi guys we would like to propose a fun project and the idea would be to build a little codecity. Now what are the frameworks to develop 3d interactive world in Pharo? - Lumiere? - opengl binding? Stef

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[Pharo-project] Pharo Sprint Lille 30 Oct
by Marcus Denker Sept. 22, 2011

Sept. 22, 2011

Hi, We will organize a small Pharo Sprint at Lille the 30th of October (Friday in a week) Where? RMOD rooms at LIFL: http://rmod.lille.inria.fr/web/pier/contact When? starting at 10h Marcus -- Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de

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