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[Pharo-project] who is in charge of the web pages?
by StÃ©phane Ducasse July 30, 2011

July 30, 2011

Hi I would like to be sure that we have a fuse or two when adrian is busy or in vacation. Who is in charge of the web page because johannes sent me a better picture and I would like to put it on the contributors list. Stef

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Re: [Pharo-project] CameraPlugin for VM
by Marcus Denker July 30, 2011

July 30, 2011

On Jul 29, 2011, at 3:16 PM, Bernat Romagosa wrote: > Sure, I attach it here. > > It looks like a standard MIT license with just these extra conditions added. > And with 5. The source code for any Derivative Work based on this software shall be made readily available to the public, ideally on a public web site, free of charge. The MIT license is known for exactly not requiring this. > 2011/7/29 StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> > Yet another license syndrom. > > The Scratch source code license allows you to distribute derivative works based on the Scratch source code for non-commercial uses subject to the following restrictions: > â¢ you cannot use the word "Scratch" to refer to derivative works (except in the phrase "Based on Scratch from the MIT Media Laboratory"), > â¢ you cannot use the Scratch logo or the official (copyrighted) Scratch cat in derivative works, > â¢ you cannot implement the ability to upload projects to any MIT Scratch website (currently, http://scratch.mit.edu) > â¢ copies or derivative works must retain the Scratch copyright notice and license, and > â¢ you must make the source code for derivative works available. > This is just a summary; the full license is in the file "license.txt" included in the source code download package. > The purpose of these restrictions is to avoid confusion in the Scratch user community between the official version of Scratch (supported by the Lifelong Kindergarten group) and experimental variations. We are happy the share our source code, but we want to protect the Scratch brand and our user community. > We hope you will appreciate the reasons for these restrictions. > > > > I do not want to see code from scratch in Pharo. Bernat do you have the license.txt somewhere? > > Stef > > > > On Jul 29, 2011, at 12:12 PM, Bernat Romagosa wrote: > > > Oops sorry, I accidentally sent it twice. > > > > The license should be MIT, check out the "The Scratch Source Code License" section: http://info.scratch.mit.edu/Source_Code > > > > Although they don't specifically state what's the license for the Camera Plugin, I guess it just applies by extension since it belongs to the project and the whole project is MIT. > > > > If we are to include it in Pharo I suppose we should check it thoroughly... > > > > Cheers, > > > > 2011/7/29 Bernat Romagosa <tibabenfortlapalanca(a)gmail.com> > > Hi Torsten, > > > > The plugin works out of the box for me in a Cog machine with no problems, just follow these instructions: > > > > * Get Scratch's CameraPlugin (you can get them here http://code.google.com/p/scat/downloads/list) > > * Depending on your OS, place it in: > > GNU/Linux and Win32 â The Pharo root directory. That is, where the .sh and .lnk files are. > > MacOSX â The image path. > > * FileIn the three .st files I attach (they originally came from the Scratch source, but were modified by us to get them working in Pharo) > > * DoIt: ScratchCameraDialog new openCamera; openInWorld > > > > Of course, you don't need the ScratchCameraDialog class, but it's nice to have it as it's a pretty simple working example. I'm not sure whether you need CameraMedia either, didn't have time to check... > > > > Hope it helps! > > > > Cheers, > > > > 2011/7/29 Torsten Bergmann <astares(a)gmx.de> > > Bernat Romagosa wrote: > > > In Scat we've managed, maybe after lunch i can give you some directions > > > to get it running. > > > > Yes, I managed to make it work last year, just with the > > *.cs and the Win32 DLL from scratch. > > > > However feel free to post a short guide for the recent Pharo > > image to the list so others can profit from it. > > > > > > My post was more oriented towards the VM developers > > since AFAIK there was a discussion of integrating > > the plugin back into Squeak VM sources so it is > > available in general to Squeak/Etoys/forks. > > > > As Bert wrote: > > > > "but the Scratch folks are interested in having their > > plugins in the main Squeak VM, so they do not have to > > package and maintain them themselves for ever." > > > > Would be nice if one would be able to use the cam > > out of the box with a recent VM (standard and cog) and Pharo. > > > > Thx > > Torsten > > -- > > NEU: FreePhone - 0ct/min Handyspartarif mit Geld-zurÃ¼ck-Garantie! > > Jetzt informieren: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/freephone > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Bernat Romagosa. > > > > > > > > -- > > Bernat Romagosa. > > > > > > -- > Bernat Romagosa. > <License.txt> -- Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de

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Re: [Pharo-project] Configuration Browser is a mastery
by Marcus Denker July 30, 2011

July 30, 2011

On Jul 30, 2011, at 10:29 AM, Lukas Renggli wrote: > I played earlier with the "Configuration Browser" and wondered what it > was all about ... After the following question on StackOverflow I > played with it again: > > http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6880596/how-to-browse-metacello-reposito… > > Maybe it should be removed from Pharo 1.3, if the following issues > cannot be fixed easily? > Yes, we should remove it as it is not used. > 1. The windows is empty, refreshing leaves the window empty. This > seems to be because <http://www.squeaksource.com/MetaRepoForPharo13> > is an empty repository. It would probably be better to point it to > <http://www.squeaksource.com/MetacelloRepository> which seems to be > the repository with most configurations; or fill the other repository > with some tested configurations? > > 2. The listing lists many packages that are clearly not > configurations, e.g. Bogus-cwp.18, Illiad-Core0.1, ... Loading them > opens a debugger. > > 3. The tool doesn't show me what configurations are already loaded > (ok, that might not be implemented yet, but would be a key feature and > easy to find out). > > 4. MetacelloConfigurationBrowser>>#refresh and > MetacelloConfigurationBrowser>>#loadConfigurationWithLatest: > duplicates the manual parsing of package filenames. This is bound to > break. Why not use Gofer? > > Cheers, > Lukas > > -- > Lukas Renggli > www.lukas-renggli.ch > -- Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de

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[Pharo-project] Configuration Browser is a mastery
by Lukas Renggli July 30, 2011

July 30, 2011

I played earlier with the "Configuration Browser" and wondered what it was all about ... After the following question on StackOverflow I played with it again: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6880596/how-to-browse-metacello-reposito… Maybe it should be removed from Pharo 1.3, if the following issues cannot be fixed easily? 1. The windows is empty, refreshing leaves the window empty. This seems to be because <http://www.squeaksource.com/MetaRepoForPharo13> is an empty repository. It would probably be better to point it to <http://www.squeaksource.com/MetacelloRepository> which seems to be the repository with most configurations; or fill the other repository with some tested configurations? 2. The listing lists many packages that are clearly not configurations, e.g. Bogus-cwp.18, Illiad-Core0.1, ... Loading them opens a debugger. 3. The tool doesn't show me what configurations are already loaded (ok, that might not be implemented yet, but would be a key feature and easy to find out). 4. MetacelloConfigurationBrowser>>#refresh and MetacelloConfigurationBrowser>>#loadConfigurationWithLatest: duplicates the manual parsing of package filenames. This is bound to break. Why not use Gofer? Cheers, Lukas -- Lukas Renggli www.lukas-renggli.ch

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[Pharo-project] CameraPlugin for VM
by Torsten Bergmann July 29, 2011

July 29, 2011

Hi VM developers (CC Squeak and Pharo list), anyone know about the state of integrating the camera plugin from scratch into the Squeak VM sources. Last discussion I know of is at: http://forum.world.st/Camera-plugins-was-Re-Video-Media-in-Squeak-td2020502… Any news on this or any progress? Are there plans to integrate the plugin into Cog as well? Thx Torsten -- NEU: FreePhone - 0ct/min Handyspartarif mit Geld-zurÃ¼ck-Garantie! Jetzt informieren: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/freephone

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[Pharo-project] CameraPlugin for VM
by Torsten Bergmann July 29, 2011

July 29, 2011

Stef wrote: >or you should ask a dual licensing. I'm curious to see if this code will >flow into squeak. Did you read the short license discussion at http://forum.world.st/Camera-plugins-was-Re-Video-Media-in-Squeak-td2020502… and especially the permission given: http://tracker.squeakland.org/secure/attachment/13870/ScratchPlugin-Permiss… Dont know if this is enough... Bye T. -- Empfehlen Sie GMX DSL Ihren Freunden und Bekannten und wir belohnen Sie mit bis zu 50,- Euro! https://freundschaftswerbung.gmx.de

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[Pharo-project] CameraPlugin for VM
by Torsten Bergmann July 29, 2011

July 29, 2011

Bernat Romagosa wrote: > In Scat we've managed, maybe after lunch i can give you some directions > to get it running. Yes, I managed to make it work last year, just with the *.cs and the Win32 DLL from scratch. However feel free to post a short guide for the recent Pharo image to the list so others can profit from it. My post was more oriented towards the VM developers since AFAIK there was a discussion of integrating the plugin back into Squeak VM sources so it is available in general to Squeak/Etoys/forks. As Bert wrote: "but the Scratch folks are interested in having their plugins in the main Squeak VM, so they do not have to package and maintain them themselves for ever." Would be nice if one would be able to use the cam out of the box with a recent VM (standard and cog) and Pharo. Thx Torsten -- NEU: FreePhone - 0ct/min Handyspartarif mit Geld-zurÃ¼ck-Garantie! Jetzt informieren: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/freephone

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July 29, 2011

Hi lukas this is cool to see all your projects running on 1.3. I see that somewhere (tweet) but could not find it anymore (too many windows open and too much information). but this is cool. Stef

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Re: [Pharo-project] [Pharo-users] 1.4 update is broken do not use it
by Marcus Denker July 29, 2011

July 29, 2011

On Jul 29, 2011, at 4:42 PM, Torsten Bergmann wrote: >> so now updating from https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/28827/Pharo-1.4-14065.zip > > Is this a core or a full image? If core (which one can use to update further) shouldnt this be reflected in the ZIP's name? In 1.4, there is only one image. This simplifies everything.... Marcus -- Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de

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[Pharo-project] [Pharo-users] 1.4 update is broken do not use it
by Torsten Bergmann July 29, 2011

July 29, 2011

>so now updating from https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/28827/Pharo-1.4-14065.zip Is this a core or a full image? If core (which one can use to update further) shouldnt this be reflected in the ZIP's name? Thx T. -- Empfehlen Sie GMX DSL Ihren Freunden und Bekannten und wir belohnen Sie mit bis zu 50,- Euro! https://freundschaftswerbung.gmx.de

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