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[Pharo-project] Questions about TextMorph
by Fernando olivero March 16, 2010

March 16, 2010

I building a new TextMorph, in the context of porting Cuis Editors. I'm having problems understanding some behavior of TexMorph, 1. Whats the purpose of predecessor and successor in TextMorph? 2. Why does the paragraph needs to be lazily initialized. Im my implementation of TextMorph i have neither and i don't see a good reason to add them. Fernando

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[Pharo-project] [update 1.1] #11273
by StÃ©phane Ducasse March 16, 2010

March 16, 2010

11273 ----- - Issue 2136: Smalltalk and SmalltalkImage Rewrite Smalltalk to SmalltalkGlobals for some API. Pay attention this may take some times. 103 packages impacted. Stef And yes this was a bad idea to do this integration with the wifi in an hotel... There is no bug in the scriptLoader, just network time out at the wrong moment.

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[Pharo-project] Pharo party near Annecy, France
by laurent laffont March 16, 2010

March 16, 2010

Hi, We (a developper group) organize a Pharo & Smalltalk meeting near Annecy, France. Saturday, March 20th. 2:00 pm - 6:00pm. Location. FÃ©lix CrÃ©ation. 4 bis, avenue du Pont de Tasset | 74960 Cran-Gevrier / ANNECY | France Welcome to all curious developpers who wants to learn. Welcome to all experienced developpers who wants to share their knowledge. We will have wireless access, big screen ... and coffee :) Send me a mail if you want to participate. Cheers, Laurent Laffont

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[Pharo-project] [update 1.1] #11272
by StÃ©phane Ducasse March 16, 2010

March 16, 2010

11272 ----- Preparing lukas changes integration - second try

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[Pharo-project] [ANN 1.0] RC3! #10515 pre-built core image
by Marcus Denker March 16, 2010

March 16, 2010

https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/26668/PharoCore-1.0-10515rc3.zip This should be tested a lot... -- Marcus Denker -- http://www.marcusdenker.de INRIA Lille -- Nord Europe. Team RMoD.

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[Pharo-project] A pause... for tests and orthogonal concerns
by StÃ©phane Ducasse March 16, 2010

March 16, 2010

hi guys I was discussing with pavel and I like his point. I would like to do a kind of pause and fix the tests. Improve a bit the fact that we get more tests incrementally to avoid regression. Tell what you think and think how you could help. Stef

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[Pharo-project] CompiledMethod>>#asString
by Fernando olivero March 16, 2010

March 16, 2010

(Object>>#name) asString class = Text Maybe we should named it 'asText' and use Lukas amazing rewriting rules to use that one instead. Fernando

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Re: [Pharo-project] Seaside XUL [was: Virtual Desktops in Polymorph]
by laurent laffont March 16, 2010

March 16, 2010

Just thinking. Maybe stupid. With SeasideXUL: - we have a native portable UI - several people can work on a same image at the same time - work on a distant image easily - reuse a lot of existing XUL components - have these sort of things: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIvxXebd77E&feature=related Laurent Laffont On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 12:45 PM, laurent laffont <laurent.laffont(a)gmail.com > wrote: > A solution is SeasideXUL http://code.google.com/p/seasidexul/ as the > windows are handled by your window manager. See > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkfSh4pAbdM > > But you lose a lot of tools and interactivity. > > Cheers, > > Laurent Laffont > > > > On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 12:38 PM, Torsten Bergmann <astares(a)gmx.de> wrote: > >> >Run second image? (joking) :) >> >Run RFBServer on a shared image and everybody connects with a VNC client >> ?? >> >> That's like: You can print out a copy of you screen and have the >> printed paper beside your laptop ;) >> >> >> Hey - maybe I was not clear enough: >> When I currently work with Pharo I switch to full screen >> it is like an OS to me with it's own window manager >> (here Morphic/Polymorph). Unfortunately there is only >> one World/Desktop/Screen with windows - but I want more >> than one and an easy way to switch between them. >> >> So instead of >> >> Pharo image -> World with many windows >> Pharo image -> #(World with many windows, World with many windows, ...) >> >> >i'm building a new IDE for Pharo >> >It is still in development, but i included the idea of workspaces >> >> The idea is not new - Eclipse has a workspace concept - but this >> is running within one window (which is clonable in Eclipse by the way). >> VisualWorks Refactoring Browser has something similar - with switchable >> views within one browser. And yes, Bubbles is not bound to a single >> window. >> >> But I'm talking about "switchable screens" (switchable >> arrangements of windows and morphs) and not bound to the IDE. >> >> >> Better said I would like to see something similar to Linux virtual >> desktops or win32 utilities like >> http://techblissonline.com/virtual-desktop-for-windows-dexpot/ >> >> >> Bye >> T. >> >> >> >> -- >> GRATIS fÃ¼r alle GMX-Mitglieder: Die maxdome Movie-FLAT! >> Jetzt freischalten unter http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/maxdome01 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-project mailing list >> Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project >> > >

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[Pharo-project] Virtual Desktops in Polymorph
by Torsten Bergmann March 16, 2010

March 16, 2010

>Run second image? (joking) :) >Run RFBServer on a shared image and everybody connects with a VNC client ?? That's like: You can print out a copy of you screen and have the printed paper beside your laptop ;) Hey - maybe I was not clear enough: When I currently work with Pharo I switch to full screen it is like an OS to me with it's own window manager (here Morphic/Polymorph). Unfortunately there is only one World/Desktop/Screen with windows - but I want more than one and an easy way to switch between them. So instead of Pharo image -> World with many windows Pharo image -> #(World with many windows, World with many windows, ...) >i'm building a new IDE for Pharo >It is still in development, but i included the idea of workspaces The idea is not new - Eclipse has a workspace concept - but this is running within one window (which is clonable in Eclipse by the way). VisualWorks Refactoring Browser has something similar - with switchable views within one browser. And yes, Bubbles is not bound to a single window. But I'm talking about "switchable screens" (switchable arrangements of windows and morphs) and not bound to the IDE. Better said I would like to see something similar to Linux virtual desktops or win32 utilities like http://techblissonline.com/virtual-desktop-for-windows-dexpot/ Bye T. -- GRATIS fÃ¼r alle GMX-Mitglieder: Die maxdome Movie-FLAT! Jetzt freischalten unter http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/maxdome01

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[Pharo-project] Introducing Myself / FFI comments
by Andreas Raab March 16, 2010

March 16, 2010

Folks - After long hesitation I've decided to subscribe to the Pharo list. I'm doing this mostly to put perspective on some issues that have come up here and where I feel I have a unique perspective on them. If you haven't guessed, I've been called many unfriendly names here, most recently "the FFI maintainer". Let's start there with putting some perspective on the issues. Fortunately, all of this discussion has been archived so we don't need to play "he said, she said" but I can just point you to the messages themselves. Lukas claims: "In fact we had that in Squeak 3.9 and early Pharo versions. I even wrote code that adapted this mechanism for FFI, but the FFI maintainer insisted on sticking with his compiler hacks." What Lukas *isn't* mentioning is that his proposal would have rendered all FFI code ever written nonfunctional and non-loadable. Practically speaking, it would have simplified two methods with fifty lines of code at the expense of making six years of work of many people unusable: http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/pipermail/squeak-dev/2006-August/106992.h… http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/pipermail/squeak-dev/2006-August/107037.h… http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/pipermail/squeak-dev/2006-August/107039.h… http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/pipermail/squeak-dev/2006-August/107204.h… Then of course, Stef threw in his usual good-natured self and changed what had been a relatively issue-focused discussion into an old-fashioned personal assault: http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/pipermail/squeak-dev/2006-August/107124.h… http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/pipermail/squeak-dev/2006-August/107134.h… Despite that I proposed what I felt might be a workable alternative, which got shot down by Lukas in an instant: http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/pipermail/squeak-dev/2006-August/107136.h… http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/pipermail/squeak-dev/2006-August/107144.h… A third proposal was made, that I agreed with as will, Lukas ignored the proposal completely: http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/pipermail/squeak-dev/2006-August/107313.h… http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/pipermail/squeak-dev/2006-August/107338.h… At the end of the discussion, Lukas still hadn't responded to various compromises that I had offered to discuss with him: http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/pipermail/squeak-dev/2006-August/107309.h… http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/pipermail/squeak-dev/2006-August/107337.h… I've certainly had points in the past where some people here have every right to be mad at me and where I've made gross mistakes. But this wasn't one of those times. I've been fairly patient, took the discussion into whichever direction Lukas wanted, made alternative proposals, agreed with third party proposals, didn't even raise to the rhetoric bait that was thrown at me multiple times. The *one* tradeoff I wasn't willing to make for the sake of my users was to break their code; was to make their code non-loadable for absolutely no benefit for these users. Cleaning up two methods and fifty lines of code isn't worth breaking six years of work from lots of people. It wasn't then, it isn't today. And when Stef says "Some people may now understand why we finally decided to do Pharo." then you should probably wonder what that means in the context of this discussion. Finding solutions that benefit *all* parties involved isn't one of his primary strengths in my experience. Back to lurking for now, - Andreas

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