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[Pharo-project] Fwd: Some personal thoughts and questions about Pharo
by StÃ©phane Ducasse March 1, 2009

March 1, 2009

For the ones that were not there at that time. Study history as always been a way to understand the present :) Begin forwarded message: > From: Matthew Fulmer <tapplek(a)gmail.com> > Date: February 28, 2009 6:26:00 AM CEST > To: Marcus Denker <denker(a)iam.unibe.ch>, St?phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr > > > Cc: Matthew Fulmer <tapplek(a)gmail.com> > Subject: Some personal thoughts and questions about Pharo > > Hi. I stumbled across a rather interesting email while I was > researching to write up my campaign platform for the squeak > election. Stef wrote this email 4 years ago, and it challenged a > lot of what I thought about Pharo: > > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/pipermail/squeak-dev/2005-January/087532.… > > It prompted me to write this email, and lay out exactly what I > think about Pharo, both good, bad, and not understood. > >> From what I can tell, this email was written just before you > guys started the 3.9 team. > > Firstly, I see that you have really cared about bug response > latency for a long time. I'm really glad you care and do > something about it. > > Second, you solved this problem back then by releasing 3.9, > and now you are solving it thru Pharo. Why did you choose to > fork this time? > > If I may be blunt, I've long suspected that there are exactly > two reasons why you forked: > 1. Edgar J. De. Cleene > 2. Andreas Raab > > Thirdly, I've heard Stef mention a number of times that "Marcus > got burned", and therefore doesn't read squeak-dev, or no longer > runs for board, or several things most squeak people do. > However, this is by far the earliest mention of said burning > I've ever seen. I had assumed the burning was people (Edgar and > Andreas) complaining about Traits, but this was long before > that. > > What is it that happened to Marcus? If you are still bitter > about something that happened over 4 years ago, perhaps it is > time to forgive and re-join the squeak community. > > > As 3.11 release team leader, and Squeak board nominee, I'm > really excited about what you guys are doing with Pharo. From my > perspective, one thing you have done is take up the reigns for > harvesting bugs, and left the release team free to consider a > long-standing issue in the community: who is responsible for > merging bug fixes from one distribution to another, and how can > we make their lives easier > > > Another valuable thing you have done is show the community that > one image does not fit all; the monolithic image does not work > for anybody. Squeakland showed it does not work for end-users > Croquet showed it does not work for researchers. And now Pharo > shows that it does not work for developers. I really think that > Pharo finishes painting that picture in the minds of the > community, and you have thus paved the way for the release team > and the squeak board to get away from the monolithic image, and > toward modularity. I really think the community is ready now, > and it's all thanks to you guys. I intend to exploit this > opportunity. > > I sent this email in private, because I don't think it would be > appropriate to ask some of these questions publicly. However, > feel free to reply to any of this in public, as you see fit. > > -- > Matthew Fulmer -- http://mtfulmer.wordpress.com/ >

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[Pharo-project] About pharo cut and paste email on Squeak-dev
by StÃ©phane Ducasse March 1, 2009

March 1, 2009

Hi guys I think that we should pay attention that people do not say stupid stuff on us on squeak-dev (even if this is not that important ;) ). Stef

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[Pharo-project] Fwd: [squeak-dev] recategorize a bunch
by StÃ©phane Ducasse March 1, 2009

March 1, 2009

Begin forwarded message: > From: Eliot Miranda <eliot.miranda(a)gmail.com> > Date: March 1, 2009 8:08:46 AM CEST > To: The general-purpose Squeak developers list <squeak-dev(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org > > > Subject: Re: [squeak-dev] recategorize a bunch > Reply-To: The general-purpose Squeak developers list <squeak-dev(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org > > > > > > On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 7:42 PM, Sebastian Sastre <ssastre(a)seaswork.com > > wrote: > hi there, while loading some stuff of mine form an image to another, > I was > annoyed/surprised by not finding some methods. Then I've figured out > that all > not imported methods where missing because somehow they happen to be > under a > category named *-changed some others under *-compilation-issues. > > There is a way I can query the system (monticello?) to get the whole > and set > them another category (so I can save the packageproperly)? > > Let's say that SystemNavigation>>allMethodsInCatergory: answers > MethodReference instances instead of 'Classd>selector' string > thingies, and if it doesn't that it can by defining it as > > SystemNavigation methods for query > allMethodsInCategory: category > | aCollection | > aCollection := Set new. > Cursor wait showWhile: > [self allBehaviorsDo: > [:x | > ((category = ClassOrganizer allCategory > ifTrue: [x organization allMethodSelectors] > ifFalse: [x organization listAtCategoryNamed: category])) do: > [:sel | aCollection add: (MethodReference new setStandardClass: > x methodSymbol: sel)]]]. > ^aCollection. > > then you want to say > > (SystemNavigation default allMethodsInCategory: #'* whatever the > category * was called') do: > [:mr| > mr actualClass organization > classify: mr methodSymbol > under: #'what I would like the category to be'] > > > > thanks, > > sebastian > > > >

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[Pharo-project] Fixing Polymorph overrides
by StÃ©phane Ducasse March 1, 2009

March 1, 2009

Hi gary We discussed yesterday and we would like to know how we could reduce the overrides made by polymorph because we will get in trouble in the long run. What is your view on that? Stef

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March 1, 2009

Hi I would like to understand the difference between rome (the package in sophie) and a cairo binding such that one of squeak-GTK. Thanks Stef

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