December 2008 - Pharo-dev - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-project] {Spam?} Re: Interaction with Java
by Bill Schwab Dec. 13, 2008

Dec. 13, 2008

Norbert, Not to start an argument or anything, where do we disagree? I assume I am a bit more jaded about the usefulness of _most_ canned components, but freely admit that the odd thing here or there can be a life saver. "The need for C is quite obvious. It is the best accepted macro assembler ever invented." --- May I steal that? Well said! Bill The need for C is quite obvious. It is the best accepted macro assembler ever invented. Wilhelm K. Schwab, Ph.D. University of Florida Department of Anesthesiology PO Box 100254 Gainesville, FL 32610-0254 Email: bschwab(a)anest.ufl.edu Tel: (352) 273-6785 FAX: (352) 392-7029 >>> norbert(a)hartl.name 12/12/08 6:04 AM >>> On Wed, 2008-12-10 at 16:08 -0300, Alexandre Bergel wrote: > Dear List, > > Something is trotting in my head for few weeks. According to the mails > exchanged on this list, it seems that interacting with C is of a high > priority. I was wondering whether you had a similar need for talking > to the Java world. Few months ago, I worked on Athena, a small > Smalltalk VM written in Java. It can be interfaced with Squeak. This > means that within Squeak, you can create Java objects and talking > directly to them within Squeak. > > Is there anyone who need this? I am ready to continue on this, but I > would like to be use case driven. > The need for C is quite obvious. It is the best accepted macro assembler ever invented. I can see what Bill is talking about but I don't see it that way. If you want to be on the safe side you focus on the least common denominator and that is C nowadays. Using C you have the highest odds that you are able to interface with anything else. That is the same reason why IDL sucks. It is built after the least common denominator (which is C). So the interfaces are clumsy and cumbersome. Having two high-level languages interfacing via IDL is not that powerful you just lose on both sides. What you are talking about is more an integration than an interfacing issue. In this case there could be some gain. Java has its place and it is not competing with C. So there are at least two languages that are accepted today of different reasons. Widening the view on this topic I would add javascript, too. The fashion to implement in/script java has already began. The number of languages like javascript, groovy, jython, jruby, beanshell ... is speaking for itself. So what you are talking about sounds useful to me. I have two use cases in mind: Use case ME: The micro edition approach could bring squeak/smalltalk to mobile devices which I would like to see. Athena is capable of that but it has no graphics. On the other hand there is potato that is able to execute a squeak image. For this approach a combined effort of athena and potato would be a good thing. Use case SE: The standard edition approach will make use of the ScriptHost extension that comes with Java 6. Being able to script any java application with smalltalk would be just wonderful. I'm working wih rhino (mozillas javascript engine in java) at the moment and it is really wonderful. You focus on javascript and take java as your assembly language to code """low level""" tools :) Hope this helps, Norbert _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

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[Pharo-project] [ANN] new prebuilt core image 10191
by Marcus Denker Dec. 12, 2008

Dec. 12, 2008

https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/12369/Pharo0.1Core-10191.zip ChangeLog: ========== update #10187 -------------- Issue 379: unimplemented asFilename Issue 373: replace primitiveFail with primitiveFailed Issue 371: Fix for loading Seaside29 in ScriptManager Issue 374: unimplemented string:hasEncoding: Issue 375: DNU in FileList open, unimplemented addVolumesAndPatternPanesTo:at:plus:forFileList: Issue 377: unimplemented mvcRedisplay Issue 376: unimplemented moveYoungest:in:to: 10188 ------ - Issue 389: Email report from the debugger still sends emails to squeakfoundation.org - Revert some cleanups from HandMorph relating to Nebraska that broke EventRecorder (Part 1) - test for #classVarNames (issue #246) - remove unsent methods from FileList: #dirSelectionBlock: #limitedSuperSwikiDirectoryList #limitedSuperSwikiPublishDirectoryList! #listForPattern: #okHitForProjectLoader #publishingServers #removeLinefeeds #saveLocalOnlyHit 10189 ----- - Issue 382: EmbeddedMenuMorph sends #startsWith: - Remove unset methods from Etoys - Clean up Preferences more - Finish revert methods in HandMorph for Hilaire - unload package 'SmaCC' - remove Preferences #collapseWindowsInPlace #clickOnLabelToEdit #alternativeWindowBoxesLook #extractFlashInHighQuality #extractFlashInHighestQuality #okToReinitializeFlaps #defaultFileOutFormatMacRoman 10190 ----- Integrated latest Polymorph packages. -Issue 362: Seaside 2.8 does not load into latest Pharo -Issue 384: copy and paste does not work in MC diff view -Issue 386: Integrate Polymorph-Widgets 22 10191 ------- Issue 394: Smacc removed in update #10189 - so the Seaside29 script needs an update again Issue 393: remove InternalThreadNavigator Issue 395: No way to select a directory using new FileList Issue 391: 7219 Streams Readability -> more unset messages/not referenced classes removed from Etoys package -- Marcus Denker -- denker(a)iam.unibe.ch http://www.iam.unibe.ch/~denker

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[Pharo-project] [update ] #10190
by Marcus Denker Dec. 12, 2008

Dec. 12, 2008

10190 ----- Integrated latest Polymorph packages. -Issue 362: Seaside 2.8 does not load into latest Pharo -Issue 384: copy and paste does not work in MC diff view -Issue 386: Integrate Polymorph-Widgets 22 -- Marcus Denker -- denker(a)iam.unibe.ch http://www.iam.unibe.ch/~denker

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[Pharo-project] test with new reply to ignore
by StÃ©phane Ducasse Dec. 12, 2008

Dec. 12, 2008

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[Pharo-project] Monticello directory repository
by Rob Rothwell Dec. 12, 2008

Dec. 12, 2008

Hello... Could someone tell me if I am just missing something so I can report this properly if I am? In a Pharo0.1 #10188 if I open Monticello and try to add a directory repository, I get a file list box but no "Ok" button! Thus, there APPEARS to be no way to select a directory. Am I just missing something? Take care, Rob

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[Pharo-project] Issue 395: No way to select a directory using new FileList
by Damien Cassou Dec. 12, 2008

Dec. 12, 2008

http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=395 -- Damien Cassou http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st

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[Pharo-project] [ANN][Dev-Images] December 2008 versions
by Damien Cassou Dec. 12, 2008

Dec. 12, 2008

Hi, I've just uploaded new dev and web images based on Squeak3.9.1-7075, Squeak3.10.2-7179 and Pharo0.1-10158. More information and download: http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st/Smalltalk/squeak-dev Pharo-based images can be downloaded at: http://code.google.com/p/pharo/wiki/Downloads?tm=2 Download statistics at http://damiencassou.dabbledb.com/publish/dev-imagesdownloads Changes in this version: --------------------------- - Pharo images are based on version 10158 - Pharo-based images now includes both Nile and OB-Tools - Polymorph (formerly UIEnhancements) has been updated - Here are the changes to the OmniBrowser from the never sleeping David RÃ¶thlisberger: New features: - Drag&Drop in package tree - Manually reorganizing package order in tree - Test execution status (passed, failed/error, progess) visible in browser (thanks to Simon Denier) (only for Pharo) - Alt-f in text panel to search for a class - Moved "special" icons to OB-Enhancements, they are not part of standard OB anymore Minor improvings, corrections: - Bugs related to package tree fixed - Fix for unpackaged categories - Fix in method category filter - Refactoring of code Contained packages: ------------------------ This image contains the following packages (some packages are only in the squeak-web image or beta images): Aida version 5.6 Algernon version 1.2 AST version 160 AutomaticMethodCategorizer version 0.25 AutomaticMethodCategorizerOB version 0.2 DynamicBindings version 2.7 eCompletion version 0.91 eCompletion-Traits version 0.1 eCompletionOmniBrowser version 0.5 Installer version 4.2 KomHttpServer version 7.0.30 KomServices version 1.12 Magritte-Model version 1.0.17.331 Magritte-Morph version 1.0.17.42 Magritte-Seaside version 1.0.17.278 Magritte-Tests version 1.0.17.148 OB-Enhancements version 0.247 OmniBrowser version 0.426 OmniBrowser-Algernon version 0.5 OmniBrowser-Full version 0.27 OmniBrowser-Morphic version 0.61 OmniBrowser-Refactory version 108 OmniBrowser-Regex version 0.9.1 OmniBrowser-Standard version 0.369 Pier version current Pier-Blog version 1.0.17.90 Pier-Documents version 1.0.17.7 Pier-EditorEnh version 1.0.17.16 Pier-Model version 1.0.17.238 Pier-OmniBrowser version 1.0.17.34 Pier-Seaside version 1.0.17.311 Pier-Security version 1.0.17.113 Pier-Tests version 1.0.17.104 Polymorph EventEnhancements version 1.0 Polymorph Geometry version 1.0 Polymorph TaskbarIcons version 1.0 Polymorph ToolBuilder version 1.0 Polymorph Tools Diff version 1.0 Polymorph Widgets version 1.0 Refactoring Core version 11 RoelTyper version 0.60 RSRSS2 version 2.8.3.11 Scriptaculous version 2.8.3.242 ScriptManager version 0.6 Seaside version 2.8.3.572 Seaside-Adapters-Core version pmm.2.mcz Seaside-Adapters-Swazoo version 8 Seaside-Squeak-Adapters version pmm.3.mcz SeasideAdaptersCompatibility version pmm.1.mcz Shout version 3.15-tween.72 ShoutWorkspace version 1-tween.4 SmaCC runtime version 13 Sport version 2.31 Squeak dev packages version 0.27 Squeak dev packages beta version 0.32 Squeak web packages version 0.2 SUnit-improved version 4.0.113 SUnitGUI-improved version 4.0.50 Swazoo version 2.1 Universes version 50 Universes OmniBrowser version 0.38 VBRegex version 1.9 YAXO version 9 " Updating the image: ------------------------- You are not obliged to download a new image if you don't want. You can always update your image. To upgrade your already existing squeak-dev image: 1) World menu->open...->Package Universe Browser 2) Update list from network 3) Select all upgrades 4) Install selection 5) Execute: 'DEVImageCreator default install' (all windows will be closed) Prepared packages: -------------------------- There are a lot of packages prepared for you in this image. They are not loaded in the image, but they can be easily. - Open Package Universe Browser (world->open...->Package Universe Browser). - Click on "Update list from network" - Wait a few seconds - Select your packages - Install them -- Damien Cassou http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st

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Re: [Pharo-project] IRC channel reminder
by Benoit St-Jean Dec. 12, 2008

Dec. 12, 2008

Hi Markus, Yes, it's from Einstein. What does "Wir mÃ¼ssen wissen. Wir werden wissen" mean? Regarding bugs 388 and 392, someone else was able to reproduce them. We did find the cause... Adding comments as I write this. Curious? :) ----------------- Benoit St-Jean Yahoo! Messenger: bstjean Blog: lamneth.wordpress.com A standpoint is an intellectual horizon of radius zero. (Albert Einstein) ________________________________ From: Marcus Denker <denker(a)iam.unibe.ch> To: Pharo Mailing List <Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 9:28:33 AM Subject: Re: [Pharo-project] IRC channel reminder On 12.12.2008, at 15:03, Benoit St-Jean wrote: > Hello everyone, > > For those who would have missed my email, you might be interested to > know that we have an IRC channel on server irc.freenode.net, #pharo- > project > > So get an IRC client and /join #pharo-project. You need to take into account that IRC can be quite some time-waster and that therefore some people might not be able to attent that often. > > A standpoint is an intellectual horizon of radius zero. > (Albert Einstein) Are you sure this is from Einstein? I know it as: "Manche Menschen haben einen Gesichtskreis vom Radius Null und nennen ihn ihren Standpunkt." -- David Hilbert which would translate into something like: Some people have got a mental horizon of radius zero and call it their point of view. So, Hilbert. not as famous as Einstein amoung non-math people, which makes quite harder to use :-) His most famous one is "Wir mÃ¼ssen wissen. Wir werden wissen" which is on his grave stone: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8f/HilbertGrab.jpg Marcus -- Marcus Denker -- denker(a)iam.unibe.ch http://www.iam.unibe.ch/~denker _______________________________________________ Pharo-project mailing list Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-project

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Dec. 12, 2008

could we have apple-b on a class opening a browser on the class? Thanks

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[Pharo-project] SmaCC removed -> adapted load script for Seaside
by Torsten Bergmann Dec. 12, 2008

Dec. 12, 2008

Since update #10189 removed SmaCC, the Seaside29 loading is broken again. This is reported in Issue 394 and fixed in ScriptLoader 696 in the inbox. The change fixes ScriptLoader>>loadSeaside29 by adding SmaCC again. Bye T. -- Sensationsangebot verlÃ¤ngert: GMX FreeDSL - Telefonanschluss + DSL fÃ¼r nur 16,37 Euro/mtl.!* http://dsl.gmx.de/?ac=OM.AD.PD003K1308T4569a

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