February 2014 - Pharo-users

Re: [Pharo-users] [Pharo-dev] for those not in the smalltalk-gsoc-mentors mailing-list nor in esug
by Pharo4Stef Feb. 8, 2014

Feb. 8, 2014

Janko in fact I'thinking about it may be this is the time to propose a Pharo specific GSOC program. If they are enough people willing to do that we have an association with a real legal status ready for that. :) thanks for giving us the idea. Stef On 08 Feb 2014, at 11:34, Janko MivÅ¡ek <janko.mivsek(a)eranova.si> wrote: > .. and of course my answer: > > Dear Smalltalkers, > > Stef is overreacting as always, going off-topic and don't want to see > the real reasons behind this proposal. Which is to make GSoC attractive > to all Smalltalkers by removing the last doubt about the any bias > towards any Smalltalk or group. That's why I propose to go more > independent under new name 'Smalltalk', besides a clearly better > visibility of such name of course. > > I invite you to follow the debate on GSoC mentor list: > > https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/smalltalk-gsoc-mentors > > All mentors with voting rights on past GSoCs please join back to this > mailing list and help with debate: > > https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/smalltalk-gsoc-mentors/join > > Best regards > Janko > > > Dne 08. 02. 2014 10:53, piÅ¡e Pharo4Stef: >> Iâm sorry to have to forward you this kind of mail but I do it. >> I will not send other emails on the topics. >> >> Stef >> >> >> Dear community >> >> On the smalltalk-gsoc-mentors(a)googlegroups.com >> <mailto:smalltalk-gsoc-mentors@googlegroups.com> janko is kind of >> declaring that ESUG was not doing a good job managing >> GSOC. We feel insulted and we are quite concerned by that fact. >> Personally if students would not be involved I would vote that ESUG does >> not have anything to do with GSOC. Because it costs us money, time and >> stress. Note in addition that we never interferred with the choice or >> anything. >> >> I will ask the ESUG board to decide because we cannot do the job, spend >> time, money and be treated like that. >> Sorry! We are sad but this is like that. >> >> Then we do not like the kind of mails that Janko is sending us about the >> fact that ESUG is biased towards Pharo. >> Where are the research teams and teachers? Of course: the mails of >> janko are just so nice. I let you judge. >> >> It is particularly fun since this year we (the pharo board) decided not >> to organise a Pharo conference to avoid competing with ESUG. >> >>> About motivations for my proposal: >>> >>> 1. 'Smalltalk' is more recognizable name on first spot that 'ESUG' . >>> And this matters when a student looks at around 150 GSoC organizations >>> to choose, which one to check and try. See last year list of orgs >>> <http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org/list/public/google/gsoc2013>. >>> >>> 2. ESUG is currently regarded by many as too biased towards Pharo. Let >>> we avoid starting debating is this is true or not. Making our org more >>> independent will I hope remove any remaining doubt about that. >> >> >> I feel shocked and insulted but I take it easy, having success make you >> as easy target for jaleous people. This is strange that >> some people would prefer to have a non existing/moving open-source >> smalltalk. May be the losers theory. >> >> I added the answer of marcus below (because marcus usually is much >> calmer than me) so that Janko succeeded to get marcus reacting like that >> is a nice proof in itself. >> >> Seriously Smalltalk is in a so good shape in presence of lua, >> Javascript, ruby and python, clojure that we should fight. >> >> Excellent idea thank for this nice initiative. >> >> Stef >> >> >> >> >> Begin forwarded message: >> >>> *From: *Janko MivÅ¡ek <janko.mivsek(a)gmail.com >>> <mailto:janko.mivsek@gmail.com>> >>> *Subject: **[gsoc-mentors] Running under 'Smalltalk' org. name* >>> *Date: *8 Feb 2014 08:46:18 GMT+1 >>> *To: *smalltalk-gsoc-mentors(a)googlegroups.com >>> <mailto:smalltalk-gsoc-mentors@googlegroups.com> >>> *Reply-To: *smalltalk-gsoc-mentors(a)googlegroups.com >>> <mailto:smalltalk-gsoc-mentors@googlegroups.com> >>> >>> Dear mentors, >>> >>> I propose that we run this year GSoC simply under 'Smalltalk' name. >>> Mentoring organization will be us mentors of past and current GSoCs, >>> as the name 'mentoring organization' implies anyway. Such organization >>> therefore doesn't need to be some kind of legal entity. >>> >>> Because I need to open a new website and we have only one week to >>> deadline, decision needs to be done soon. >>> >>> Best regards >>> Janko >>> >>> --- >>> Janko MivÅ¡ek >>> Smalltalk GSoC Admin Team >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "Smalltalk GSoC mentors" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to smalltalk-gsoc-mentors+unsubscribe(a)googlegroups.com >>> <mailto:smalltalk-gsoc-mentors+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com>. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> >> >> Of course you need it: I filled out quite some paperwork for Google. >> ESUG is an official Google supplier, for that I filled american tax >> forms and so on. >> >> Without an organisation that will be very difficult. How do yu receive >> money for the flight if someone goes to the meeting in the fall? >> >> One of the reasons why the Smalltalk GSOC was accepted was I think that >> it was the same organisation that is already in the books of google. >> >> And I do not see why to change that: ESUG did a good job, we even lost >> money (that is, we spend more money on additional Summer of Code slots >> than got in with the money from google). >> We payed all additional expenses of the people going to the Summit: >> Google only pays the flight and hotel. Everyhting else not (e.g. going >> from the airpot >> to the hotel). >> >> >> What we need to discuss this year is if additional slots make sense: We >> had last year the fast that >> a) it was very expensive for ESUG >> b) even then, we got complaints that it was unfair that we did not pay >> the same as google >> c) that it was very extremely unfair that the student could not put >> âGoogle Summer of Codeâ on the CV. >> >> The last is the Killer: money from ESUG is just money. GSoC is more. So >> we ask if it is really worth to spend the money >> if even the students are not happy about it. >> >> And if your motivation behind is that this way you think it will be >> easier to enable âQuotasâ for different Smalltalks: I think this is a >> dumb idea. >> >> Yes, Pharo is very active. So could every other Smalltalk be, too. They >> just need to do it. If they do not, it is not my duty to limit >> my activity for âFairnessâ. Limiting the activity level of those who do >> to be more âin lineâ with what those do who do nothing is just >> *insane*. Itâs a description of death itself. >> >> Marcus >> > > -- > Janko MivÅ¡ek > Svetovalec za informatiko > Eranova d.o.o. > Ljubljana, Slovenija > www.eranova.si > tel: 01 514 22 55 > faks: 01 514 22 56 > gsm: 031 674 565

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for those not in the smalltalk-gsoc-mentors mailing-list nor in esug
by Pharo4Stef Feb. 8, 2014

Feb. 8, 2014

Iâm sorry to have to forward you this kind of mail but I do it. I will not send other emails on the topics. Stef Dear community On the smalltalk-gsoc-mentors(a)googlegroups.com janko is kind of declaring that ESUG was not doing a good job managing GSOC. We feel insulted and we are quite concerned by that fact. Personally if students would not be involved I would vote that ESUG does not have anything to do with GSOC. Because it costs us money, time and stress. Note in addition that we never interferred with the choice or anything. I will ask the ESUG board to decide because we cannot do the job, spend time, money and be treated like that. Sorry! We are sad but this is like that. Then we do not like the kind of mails that Janko is sending us about the fact that ESUG is biased towards Pharo. Where are the research teams and teachers? Of course: the mails of janko are just so nice. I let you judge. It is particularly fun since this year we (the pharo board) decided not to organise a Pharo conference to avoid competing with ESUG. > About motivations for my proposal: > > 1. 'Smalltalk' is more recognizable name on first spot that 'ESUG' . And this matters when a student looks at around 150 GSoC organizations to choose, which one to check and try. See last year list of orgs. > > 2. ESUG is currently regarded by many as too biased towards Pharo. Let we avoid starting debating is this is true or not. Making our org more independent will I hope remove any remaining doubt about that. I feel shocked and insulted but I take it easy, having success make you as easy target for jaleous people. This is strange that some people would prefer to have a non existing/moving open-source smalltalk. May be the losers theory. I added the answer of marcus below (because marcus usually is much calmer than me) so that Janko succeeded to get marcus reacting like that is a nice proof in itself. Seriously Smalltalk is in a so good shape in presence of lua, Javascript, ruby and python, clojure that we should fight. Excellent idea thank for this nice initiative. Stef Begin forwarded message: > From: Janko MivÅ¡ek <janko.mivsek(a)gmail.com> > Subject: [gsoc-mentors] Running under 'Smalltalk' org. name > Date: 8 Feb 2014 08:46:18 GMT+1 > To: smalltalk-gsoc-mentors(a)googlegroups.com > Reply-To: smalltalk-gsoc-mentors(a)googlegroups.com > > Dear mentors, > > I propose that we run this year GSoC simply under 'Smalltalk' name. Mentoring organization will be us mentors of past and current GSoCs, as the name 'mentoring organization' implies anyway. Such organization therefore doesn't need to be some kind of legal entity. > > Because I need to open a new website and we have only one week to deadline, decision needs to be done soon. > > Best regards > Janko > > --- > Janko MivÅ¡ek > Smalltalk GSoC Admin Team > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Smalltalk GSoC mentors" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to smalltalk-gsoc-mentors+unsubscribe(a)googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. Of course you need it: I filled out quite some paperwork for Google. ESUG is an official Google supplier, for that I filled american tax forms and so on. Without an organisation that will be very difficult. How do yu receive money for the flight if someone goes to the meeting in the fall? One of the reasons why the Smalltalk GSOC was accepted was I think that it was the same organisation that is already in the books of google. And I do not see why to change that: ESUG did a good job, we even lost money (that is, we spend more money on additional Summer of Code slots than got in with the money from google). We payed all additional expenses of the people going to the Summit: Google only pays the flight and hotel. Everyhting else not (e.g. going from the airpot to the hotel). What we need to discuss this year is if additional slots make sense: We had last year the fast that a) it was very expensive for ESUG b) even then, we got complaints that it was unfair that we did not pay the same as google c) that it was very extremely unfair that the student could not put âGoogle Summer of Codeâ on the CV. The last is the Killer: money from ESUG is just money. GSoC is more. So we ask if it is really worth to spend the money if even the students are not happy about it. And if your motivation behind is that this way you think it will be easier to enable âQuotasâ for different Smalltalks: I think this is a dumb idea. Yes, Pharo is very active. So could every other Smalltalk be, too. They just need to do it. If they do not, it is not my duty to limit my activity for âFairnessâ. Limiting the activity level of those who do to be more âin lineâ with what those do who do nothing is just *insane*. Itâs a description of death itself. Marcus

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Fwd: NativeBoost and standard out
by Sean P. DeNigris Feb. 8, 2014

Feb. 8, 2014

Emilio Oca-3 wrote > Hi > > > > Is it possible to get the stdout results when running WinProcess > createAndWaitForProcess: aCommand?. > > If it is not, any alternative? > > > > Best > > > > Emilio Bump... ----- Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Fwd-NativeBoost-and-standard-out-tp4732117.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

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Nice chapter on NativeBoost
by Pharo4Stef Feb. 8, 2014

Feb. 8, 2014

Hi guys today igor helped me to understand some hidden part of NativeBoost and we massively revisited and expanded the chapter started by L. Laffont this summer. Now you this is up to you to expand your knowledge :) It was really fun to get the X11 window resize and move :) https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/job/PharoForTheEnterprise/lastSucces… https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/job/PharoForTheEnterprise/lastSucces… Enjoy. Stef and Igor

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Please help beta test Pharo 3.0 NOW !
by Sven Van Caekenberghe Feb. 7, 2014

Feb. 7, 2014

Dear fellow Pharoers, Pharo 2.0 was released in March 2013, after which development of Pharo 3.0 started. Since December 2013 we stopped adding new features and started concentrating on fixing bugs. We plan to release Pharo 3.0 in March 2014. You can help: please help beta test Pharo 3.0 NOW, before it is released, not after. You can help us tremendously by doing this. Together we can improve the quality and polish for a great release. http://www.pharo-project.org/pharo-download/beta-3-0 http://www.smalltalkhub.com/#!/~Pharo/PharoLauncher http://get.pharo.org The mailing lists are one way to give feedback, but it is even better to report problems as issues. https://pharo.fogbugz.com/ Remember, it is your Pharo. Thank you! On behalf of the whole team, Sven

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[ann] presenter notes support for demos
by Tudor Girba Feb. 7, 2014

Feb. 7, 2014

(repost to the correct mailing lists) Pharo workflow is best seen in action. However, I noticed that we do not have much support for demoing what we do. For example, if you do not record with sound, you want to add notes. I saw several videos with notes being added to the workspace. This looks clumsy. So, I gave it a short try, and built a little goodie that lets you simply type notes in the middle of the screen the audience in big fonts. Take a look below at a video describing a specific session with GTInspector: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XT081uQlqI4&list=UU5uZoiH-YS7CIQ-e-DCwMwA (from http://www.humane-assessment.com/blog/discover-contracts-by-visualizing-obj… ) To get it: Gofer new smalltalkhubUser: 'AlainPlantec' project: 'Rubric'; package: 'Rubric'; smalltalkhubUser: 'Moose' project: 'GToolkit'; package: 'GT-PresenterNote'; load. It's still at the beginning. Right now, it is mapped on Cmd+/. Actually, it really is tiny. You can obtain the equivalent by doing this in the workspace: KMRepository reset. KMRepository default setAsGlobalCategory: ( (KMCategory named: 'Presentation') addKeymapEntry: ( KMKeymap shortcut: $/ command action: [ RubEditingArea new beWrapped; width: World width / 3; updateTextWith: ''; takeKeyboardFocus; backgroundColor: Color paleYellow; cellInset: 50; onAnnouncement: MorphLostFocus do: [ :ann | ann morph delete ]; font: (LogicalFont familyName: 'Source Sans Pro' pointSize: 20); openCenteredInWorld. ]) ) We need to advertise Pharo, and our videos should look good. Let me know about what other similar needs you would like to have supported. Cheers, Doru -- www.tudorgirba.com "Every thing has its own flow"

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Please port external libraries & frameworks to Pharo 3.0 NOW !
by Sven Van Caekenberghe Feb. 7, 2014

Feb. 7, 2014

Dear fellow Pharoers, Pharo 2.0 was released in March 2013, after which development of Pharo 3.0 started. Since December 2013 we stopped adding new features and started concentrating on fixing bugs. We plan to release Pharo 3.0 in March 2014. You can help: please port external libraries & frameworks to Pharo 3.0 NOW, before it is released, not after. You can help us tremendously by doing this. Together we can improve the quality and polish for a great release. Today we already have quite some external libraries, frameworks and applications running successfully in Pharo 3, among them large ones like Moose (https://ci.inria.fr/moose/job/moose-5.0/) and Seaside (https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/job/Seaside/) But we need more and we need people collaborating, because real life projects have lots of dependencies that need to be available. Luckily there is a CI infrastructure available to help you. You should also follow some conventions to fit into the ecosystem. - have good unit tests - use Monticello for source code management - store code publicly, preferably at http://www.smalltalkhub.com/ - use Metacello for package and configuration management - add your configuration where the configuration browser can find it, at least in http://www.smalltalkhub.com/mc/Pharo/MetaRepoForPharo30/main - use the CI infrastructure at https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/ For example, Neo-CSV, can be loaded in Pharo 3.0 using its Metacello configuration with just one click on 'Install Stable Version': The code lives in various repositories, including on StHub, at http://www.smalltalkhub.com/#!/~SvenVanCaekenberghe/Neo There is a CI job checking all unit tests each time either Pharo 2.0, Pharo 3.0 or the library code changes, https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/job/NeoCSV/ and reporting all failures immediately. You can test both stable and development (or bleedingEdge) versions for a real build matrix. And there is external documentation, https://github.com/svenvc/docs/blob/master/neo/neo-csv-paper.md ;-) Even if you are not the original author, but just a user of (a) particular package(s), it would be useful if you tried loading the package(s) you need and see if all is well. Each action, however small, counts. Give feedback now. Remember, it is your Pharo. Thank you! On behalf of the whole team, Sven

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Bug in JQMHtmlRoot>>CloseOn ?
by Torsten Bergmann Feb. 6, 2014

Feb. 6, 2014

Hi Juergen, welcome to Pharo (and Seaside). It would better to ask these Seaside related questions on the Seaside user list since this mailing list here is the general list for Pharo users and your question is more related to web development and Seaside. So please ask you question on the following mailinglist http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside JQuery Mobile for Seaside may not have been updated yet since Seaside 3.1. is very new. Last demo of JQM I know of is http://jquerymobile.seasidehosting.st and it is running on 3.0. BTW: there is also a Seaside developer list which is for people who want to contribute to Seaside itself http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside-dev Maybe you also want to have a loook at my Bootstrap project for Seaside these days as it wraps Twitter bootstrap which is also "mobile first" these days. Sample and link to the project can be found at: http://pharo.pharocloud.com If you want to run it locally just use a fresh Pharo 3.0 image (get.pharo.org or files.pharo.org) and load it from the config browser (World menu -> config browser -> Bootstrap). Have fun Torsten

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a BitSet class
by Torsten Bergmann Feb. 6, 2014

Feb. 6, 2014

Hi Stef, Â I checked with the downloadable PDF fromÂ http://www.deepintopharo.com/ some examples are not covered, like #bitAt:put: message or the C abbreviations | and &,Â bitXor: is also missing from a first short look. I also havent seen examples with different base. Â Feel free to add them since I have no glue how to add something to the books... Â Thx T.

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Bug in JQMHtmlRoot>>CloseOn ?
by Juergen Rauch Feb. 6, 2014

Feb. 6, 2014

Hi Smalltalkers, I am new to this list. Just downloadad and started Pharo Seaside-3.1-OneClick under Linux in order to get my hands on jquery mobile development. As the documentations suggest I first performed: Gofer it url: 'http://ss3.gemstone.com/ss/jQueryMobile'; package: 'ConfigurationOfJQueryMobile'; load. ConfigurationOfJQueryMobile loadBleedingEdge. Now when I direct my browser to "http://localhost:8080/javascript/jquery-mobile/" it displays the error: "MessageNotUnderstood: WADefaultScriptGenerator>>close:on:pageId:" I was curious and modified JQMHtmlRoot>>closeOn: in the debugger like this: closeOn: aDocument "aDocument scriptGenerator >> I did comment this 2 lines close: self on: aDocument pageId: self pageId." self writeFootOn: aDocument and it works, I can browse thru the JQMobile examples now. However, I guess this is not really the way to go. Comments or advices anybody? Juergen

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