January 2013 - Pharo-users - lists.pharo.org

LISEZ-MOI !!! READ ME !! *** IMPORTANT ***
by Benoit St-Jean Jan. 29, 2013

Jan. 29, 2013

If you have received an email from me on Monday January 28th 2013, DELETE IT AND DON'T VISIT THE WEBSITE THE EMAIL ASKS YOU TO CHECK. This is some kind of SPAM that exploits a security breach in Yahoo Email!Â If you need more info on this, I am currently gathering all the details available and I have notified the Yahoo Security Team of this problem.Â Apparently, Yahoo knew about it and has done *NOTHING*.Â :((Â I am sorry for the inconvenience. Si vous avez reÃ§u un courriel de moi lundi le 28 janvier 2013, SUPPRIMEZ-LE ET NE VISITEZ PAS LE SITE WEB MENTIONNÃ DANS LE COURRIEL.Â Si vous dÃ©sirez de plus amples renseignements, je suis en train de collecter toute l'info disponible et nÃ©cessaire et j'ai avisÃ© le Yahoo Security Team du problÃ¨me.Â Selon toute Ã©vidence, Yahoo Ã©tait au courant du problÃ¨me depuis un certain temps et n'a RIEN fait.Â :((Â Je suis dÃ©solÃ© des problÃ¨mes que cela pourrait vous occasionner... Â ----------------- Benoit St-Jean Yahoo! Messenger: bstjean Blogue: endormitoire.wordpress.com A standpoint is an intellectual horizon of radius zero. (Albert Einstein)

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Re: [Pharo-users] Phaas - anyone interested in setting up Pharo as a Service?
by Andy Burnett Jan. 29, 2013

Jan. 29, 2013

Thanks James, That would be really helpful. If you haven't sent the email already. I would be really interested to know if they could support Gemstone. That, combined with fuel+tanker could make a fantastic dev environment. Cheers Andy On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 4:13 PM, <pharo-users-request(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr>wrote: > I will contact them and ask what it would take for them to support a new > runtime/framework/database. I expect that the primary question will be > business opportunity followed by support requirements. > > James > > On Jan 28, 2013, at 3:58 AM, Janko Miv?ek <janko.mivsek(a)eranova.si> wrote: > > > What if we ask one of existing commercial PaaS providers to add > > Smalltalk among the languages of choice? This way we achieve one-click > > Smalltalk cloud apps the fastest way for sure. > > > > Right now I'm looking at AppFog http://www.appfog.com. This is > > CloudFoundry based PaaS provider over the Amazon, Rackspace and Azure > > IaaS providers. It supports also "unusual" languages like Erlang and Go > > [1], so maybe they are open for Smalltalk too. > > > > James, AppCloud is located in Portland, Gemstone as well, so you are > > neighbors :) Do you think it would be wise to make a contact with them > > to start discussing the possibilities? > > > > Best regards > > Janko >

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tuesday we will do a coding sprint here at Santiago
by StÃ©phane Ducasse Jan. 29, 2013

Jan. 29, 2013

Hi guys We will do a coding sprint here at Santiago @ DCC (Pleaid building) http://pleiad.dcc.uchile.cl We should have a list of issue to fix :) I will check the issues in the bug tracker but any help, wishes from this sprint is welcome. Stef

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Phaas - anyone interested in setting up Pharo as a Service?
by Andy Burnett Jan. 29, 2013

Jan. 29, 2013

We would love to develop more of our ideas in Pharo, but we are completely allergic to doing sys admin. We don't want to deal with anything below the Pharo application level. What I would ideally like to see if something like Heroku, or similar, but for Pharo. However, just wishing won't make it happen, so I am wondering if there is anyone out there who is thinking about this, and whether there are enough of us to constitute are market. Our requirements are pretty simple. We need a way of uploading an image, and some standard for of persistence. At this point, we would be perfectly happy to make compromises by agreeing that it had to be e.g. Mongo or whatever (although ideally it would be gemstone). We just want to make some progress on this. Personally, I think lots of bits are coming together. We now have various persistence options, websockets (both in Zinc and Aida-web), OAuth ( in both places again), and lots of other exciting elements. We just want a really simple way to take advantage of them. Does anyone else feel this need?

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Re: [Pharo-users] Phaas - anyone interested in setting up Pharo as a Service?
by Stephan Eggermont Jan. 28, 2013

Jan. 28, 2013

Stef wrote: >I'm really interested in seeing this egg/chicken problem solved by getting something out the ground. >for the visibility of Pharo and smalltalk in general. So I would love to see some proposals and some budgets >to see how to Pharo association/ESUG/Consortium/other companies could put money on the table >to get started. The way to get this stuff started is to first make sure you can automatically provision whole boxes. There is some work done for this for a gemstone-seaside box: there are chef scripts, mostly by Willem and Norbert https://github.com/noha/virtual-gemstone The place to talk about this is this weekend at FOSDEM. There are devrooms focusing on these issues: Configuration Systems Management (Puppet & Chef), Testing and Automation (the Jenkins guys) Virtualisation on saturday and Cloud on sunday I'm not sure at what market heroku and appfog are aiming. They don't seem to have the right incentives to perform well, as they make more money if you need more instances. Might be perfect for hosting marketing campaigns or so, but definitely not for freemium based business models. DevOps on Hetzner servers might be a lot cheaper. Stephan

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petit parser
by Hilaire Fernandes Jan. 28, 2013

Jan. 28, 2013

Hello I try to extent the example of the arithmetic evaluator[1], I don't understand the magic underneath nor how you will make it works with substraction. Changing method add to: add ^ prod, ($+ asParser / $- asParser) trim, term to parse mixture addition and substraction is wrong: parser parse: '1 - 2 + 6' -> #(1 $- #(2 $+ 6)) The precedence is wrong. How will you make it work? It seems to me the way to handle precedence in the example is not suited for extension Thanks Hilaire [1] http://pharobooks.gforge.inria.fr/PharoByExampleTwo-Eng/latest/

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hey
by dimitris chloupis Jan. 28, 2013

Jan. 28, 2013

almost cannot believe it..what do you think http://bit.ly/10Xlg73 dimitris

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Re Phaas - anyone interested in setting up Pharo as a Service?
by Andy Burnett Jan. 28, 2013

Jan. 28, 2013

>> . > > I built CloudFoundry so that you uploaded a .st file (in my ESUG example it was 'aida.st') that was used to build the image. The server executed the .st file and saved the resulting image (it could load .mcz files directly or execute a Metacello script). Whenever your application was needed, a copy of the saved image was used. > > James Foster James, can I check a few assumptions - I want to make sure I am not putting words in VMWare's mouth, or missing an opportunity. 1. Is it the case that CloudFoundry.com has no current plans to offer gemstone as a hosted option? 2. Your work on getting Aida to run was targeted at the cloudfoundry.org, And therefore it would require someone to set up a separate hosting operation - using the cloudfoundry code - in order for us to use your work? If 1 and 2 are true, is there anyway that we can use the .com side in pursuit of this PhaaS objective? I assume not, but I would hate to miss the simple fix :-) Cheers Andy

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MenuMorph - dual column?
by Ben Coman Jan. 27, 2013

Jan. 27, 2013

I have a MenuMorph with too many items, such that it fills the screen top to bottom and there are still some not shown. Is there some inbuilt way to have the menu come up in two columns? I could otherwise work at manually segregating menuitems into submenus, but the menus are dynamically generated and I'd prefer multiple columns. cheers -ben

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Re: [Pharo-users] Phaas - anyone interested in setting up Pharo as a Service?
by Andy Burnett Jan. 27, 2013

Jan. 27, 2013

<<< I would prefer to upload a MetacelloConfiguration (or something similar) instead of an image. I like to think about the image as a temporary runtime. Not something where I store code or someting I deploy. I would love to have something like: $ pharo -v 1.4-summer myProject.ston where myProject.ston would contain all the necessary information to load my project (dependencies, repositories, etc). This command would create an image with my project on the fly from a stock Pharo 1.4-summer and launch it. It would recreate the image everytime I want to work on my project (or when it is deployed). The problem right now is the loading time for dependencies (try to load seaside in a pristine image, you'll get the point). All the other bricks are there.>>> Sounds like a very good idea. Does anything like that exist already? Also, it raises the question of what should be in the base image. Cheers Andy

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