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Printing documents

by Linus De Meyere

Hey all, Is there a way to drive a printer from a pharo environment? I would like to know if it's possible to generate a pdf and instruct the printer to print it. Any advice? Thanks in advance, Linus

Aug. 18, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] Is there a menu option to browser a class directly?

by TimM

Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > Tim, you can try algernon for what you want. Thus, I am not sure if it > is working in Pharo 1.1. Maybe Esteban can tell you. Yes - I recall Damian showing me that, it was pretty good. I just tried loading it - but lots of errors to do with _ (I guess its not been ported to 1.1) :( Tim

Aug. 18, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] Is there a menu option to browser a class directly?

by Mariano Martinez Peck

Tim, you can try algernon for what you want. Thus, I am not sure if it is working in Pharo 1.1. Maybe Esteban can tell you. On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 1:27 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr > wrote: > > On Aug 18, 2010, at 1:11 PM, TimM wrote: > > > StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > > > >> Is Find class (cmd-F) in the default browser not enough? > >> or typing in any pane the class and doing cmd-B > > > > The problem I find with cmd-F is that if I'm already in the middle of > typing a method - it wants to refocus my browser on the new class (often > causing me to have to save changes that I'm not finished doing yet). AND - > there is also no back button to go back to where I was typing my method (so > I've lost my context). > > Yes > Romain did booster which allows you to leave a method uncompiled in a > browser and navigate to another one.... this was never integrated. Now we > should really rethink the navigation > > > So it would seem the "Pharo way" is to open a new browser window - but > its not a smooth operation. Probably the closest is to start typing a class > name where I am and then use o/e-complete (but then I often have to > backspace over that text when I figure out actually what I needed to do). So > it all feels a bit more awkward than it should be? > > Sure it is bad :) > > >>> But I guess the bigger question is - how can you guys that know how to > do this, impart the information and direction so that those of us following > behind can meaningfully contribute without wasting your time? > >> I do not know what you imply exactly. > >> Now my point is that if you improve the tools we will integrate them. > >> I would really like to get better tools. > > > > > > Some of your points in this message helped thanks - what I was trying to > get at was, I was confused about which framework to learn and then build on. > I keep hearing about lots of different things OB, Glamour... and then there > seem to be several browsers (System, O2...) - so its not clear where to > start? I also would want to do it in a way that fits "the vision" - but i'm > not yet clear on what that vision is (I'm still learning) > > The problem is a question of resources. > If you give me one guy for a year I would start a new browser from scratch. > Now since lukas is improving OB may be this is the way to go. > > > > > > >>> Do you think there could be a How to Contribute to Pharo tools BOF at > ESUG? What is the direction - is it OB or is it Glamor? How do you get > started with OB, and what kinds of tools do we need? > >> - We need a better > >> Test Runner > >> Monticello Browser > >> (Benjmain did a better RecentMessageSet) > >> Deeper Refactoring integration > >> If you want to help there is plenty of topics. For example helping at > integrating my my package implementation > > > > This list will give me a good starting point to talk to people at ESUG > and hopefully I will "learn to fish" so I can help out more productively. > > > > Again, I'm sorry to bother everyone. > > don't apologize all the time > > > > > Tim > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Pharo-users mailing list > > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users >

Aug. 18, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] Is there a menu option to browser a class directly?

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

On Aug 18, 2010, at 1:11 PM, TimM wrote: > StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > >> Is Find class (cmd-F) in the default browser not enough? >> or typing in any pane the class and doing cmd-B > > The problem I find with cmd-F is that if I'm already in the middle of typing a method - it wants to refocus my browser on the new class (often causing me to have to save changes that I'm not finished doing yet). AND - there is also no back button to go back to where I was typing my method (so I've lost my context). Yes Romain did booster which allows you to leave a method uncompiled in a browser and navigate to another one.... this was never integrated. Now we should really rethink the navigation > So it would seem the "Pharo way" is to open a new browser window - but its not a smooth operation. Probably the closest is to start typing a class name where I am and then use o/e-complete (but then I often have to backspace over that text when I figure out actually what I needed to do). So it all feels a bit more awkward than it should be? Sure it is bad :) >>> But I guess the bigger question is - how can you guys that know how to do this, impart the information and direction so that those of us following behind can meaningfully contribute without wasting your time? >> I do not know what you imply exactly. >> Now my point is that if you improve the tools we will integrate them. >> I would really like to get better tools. > > > Some of your points in this message helped thanks - what I was trying to get at was, I was confused about which framework to learn and then build on. I keep hearing about lots of different things OB, Glamour... and then there seem to be several browsers (System, O2...) - so its not clear where to start? I also would want to do it in a way that fits "the vision" - but i'm not yet clear on what that vision is (I'm still learning) The problem is a question of resources. If you give me one guy for a year I would start a new browser from scratch. Now since lukas is improving OB may be this is the way to go. > >>> Do you think there could be a How to Contribute to Pharo tools BOF at ESUG? What is the direction - is it OB or is it Glamor? How do you get started with OB, and what kinds of tools do we need? >> - We need a better >> Test Runner >> Monticello Browser >> (Benjmain did a better RecentMessageSet) >> Deeper Refactoring integration >> If you want to help there is plenty of topics. For example helping at integrating my my package implementation > > This list will give me a good starting point to talk to people at ESUG and hopefully I will "learn to fish" so I can help out more productively. > > Again, I'm sorry to bother everyone. don't apologize all the time > > Tim > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users

Aug. 18, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] Is there a menu option to browser a class directly?

by TimM

StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > Is Find class (cmd-F) in the default browser not enough? > or typing in any pane the class and doing cmd-B The problem I find with cmd-F is that if I'm already in the middle of typing a method - it wants to refocus my browser on the new class (often causing me to have to save changes that I'm not finished doing yet). AND - there is also no back button to go back to where I was typing my method (so I've lost my context). So it would seem the "Pharo way" is to open a new browser window - but its not a smooth operation. Probably the closest is to start typing a class name where I am and then use o/e-complete (but then I often have to backspace over that text when I figure out actually what I needed to do). So it all feels a bit more awkward than it should be? > >> But I guess the bigger question is - how can you guys that know how to do this, impart the information and direction so that those of us following behind can meaningfully contribute without wasting your time? > > I do not know what you imply exactly. > Now my point is that if you improve the tools we will integrate them. > I would really like to get better tools. Some of your points in this message helped thanks - what I was trying to get at was, I was confused about which framework to learn and then build on. I keep hearing about lots of different things OB, Glamour... and then there seem to be several browsers (System, O2...) - so its not clear where to start? I also would want to do it in a way that fits "the vision" - but i'm not yet clear on what that vision is (I'm still learning) >> Do you think there could be a How to Contribute to Pharo tools BOF at ESUG? What is the direction - is it OB or is it Glamor? How do you get started with OB, and what kinds of tools do we need? > > - We need a better > Test Runner > Monticello Browser > (Benjmain did a better RecentMessageSet) > Deeper Refactoring integration > > If you want to help there is plenty of topics. For example helping at integrating my my package implementation This list will give me a good starting point to talk to people at ESUG and hopefully I will "learn to fish" so I can help out more productively. Again, I'm sorry to bother everyone. Tim

Aug. 18, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] Is there a menu option to browser a class directly?

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

> OK I eventually found a working Protocol browser in a beta image (and I can see how it broke in later images). > > I can see the idea - and I guess it relies on everyone categorising things properly (I now understand why you get that prompt to categorise your methods properly when you save :) > > My initial impression is that it could be easily improved - for example you get no idea how many methods are in a category without clicking on it (some are empty, some have 10 methods etc). > > This said, I still would go back to my initial comment - why is there a method finder in the Tools menu, but no Class finder? (In our new smalltalkers tutorial at CSLondon - people actually used the method finder to try and figure out how to do things like String beginsWith: etc. - but how do you find classes? Its got to be related to class name and class comments (and maybe the protocols they support). Is Find class (cmd-F) in the default browser not enough? or typing in any pane the class and doing cmd-B > But I guess the bigger question is - how can you guys that know how to do this, impart the information and direction so that those of us following behind can meaningfully contribute without wasting your time? I do not know what you imply exactly. Now my point is that if you improve the tools we will integrate them. I would really like to get better tools. > Do you think there could be a How to Contribute to Pharo tools BOF at ESUG? What is the direction - is it OB or is it Glamor? How do you get started with OB, and what kinds of tools do we need? - We need a better Test Runner Monticello Browser (Benjmain did a better RecentMessageSet) Deeper Refactoring integration If you want to help there is plenty of topics. For example helping at integrating my my package implementation The problem of Glamour is that this is yet another framework and debug it is not that easy. In general I do not like DSL like mondrian because I have to understand their logic instead of just using my oo skill. Stef > Anyway - I appreciate the patience, and I will keep plugging away. > > Tim > > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users

Aug. 18, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] Is there a menu option to browser a class directly?

by TimM

StÃ©phane Ducasse wrote: > the problem is that we should get less but more powerful tools than more stupid one. > > What I need is O2 way of looking at package and I'm stuck because I could not find time integrating > RPackage into systemNotification.... OK I eventually found a working Protocol browser in a beta image (and I can see how it broke in later images). I can see the idea - and I guess it relies on everyone categorising things properly (I now understand why you get that prompt to categorise your methods properly when you save :) My initial impression is that it could be easily improved - for example you get no idea how many methods are in a category without clicking on it (some are empty, some have 10 methods etc). This said, I still would go back to my initial comment - why is there a method finder in the Tools menu, but no Class finder? (In our new smalltalkers tutorial at CSLondon - people actually used the method finder to try and figure out how to do things like String beginsWith: etc. - but how do you find classes? Its got to be related to class name and class comments (and maybe the protocols they support). But I guess the bigger question is - how can you guys that know how to do this, impart the information and direction so that those of us following behind can meaningfully contribute without wasting your time? Do you think there could be a How to Contribute to Pharo tools BOF at ESUG? What is the direction - is it OB or is it Glamor? How do you get started with OB, and what kinds of tools do we need? Anyway - I appreciate the patience, and I will keep plugging away. Tim

Aug. 18, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] Is there a menu option to browser a class directly?

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

the problem is that we should get less but more powerful tools than more stupid one. What I need is O2 way of looking at package and I'm stuck because I could not find time integrating RPackage into systemNotification.... Stef On Aug 18, 2010, at 12:01 AM, Lukas Renggli wrote: > It wasn't that long ago. I guess an early Pharo 1.0 image should include it. > > It could be started through 'browse protocol' from the context menu on a class. > > Lukas > > On 17 August 2010 23:50, TimM <tamackinnon(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> It could quite easily be revived, but I won't do that myself as I only >>> used it very sparingly. >>> >> >> Fair point Lukas - if there were no tests I understand. As you know I'm >> slowly getting up to speed - but where would I look to find this old >> stuff to try it out and see if I can resurrect it? Is it an old squeak >> 3.8 image? >> >> I'll give it a shot (as well as seeing if I can help on any refactorings >> tool improvements too) - nothing like getting stuck in the deepend... >> >> Tim >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Pharo-users mailing list >> Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr >> http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users >> > > > > -- > Lukas Renggli > www.lukas-renggli.ch > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users

Aug. 18, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] Is there a menu option to browser a class directly?

by Lukas Renggli

It wasn't that long ago. I guess an early Pharo 1.0 image should include it. It could be started through 'browse protocol' from the context menu on a class. Lukas On 17 August 2010 23:50, TimM <tamackinnon(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> It could quite easily be revived, but I won't do that myself as I only >> used it very sparingly. >> > > Fair point Lukas - if there were no tests I understand. As you know I'm > slowly getting up to speed - but where would I look to find this old > stuff to try it out and see if I can resurrect it? Is it an old squeak > 3.8 image? > > I'll give it a shot (as well as seeing if I can help on any refactorings > tool improvements too) - nothing like getting stuck in the deepend... > > Tim > > > _______________________________________________ > Pharo-users mailing list > Pharo-users(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr > http://lists.gforge.inria.fr/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users > -- Lukas Renggli www.lukas-renggli.ch

Aug. 17, 2010

Re: [Pharo-users] Is there a menu option to browser a class directly?

by TimM

> It could quite easily be revived, but I won't do that myself as I only > used it very sparingly. > Fair point Lukas - if there were no tests I understand. As you know I'm slowly getting up to speed - but where would I look to find this old stuff to try it out and see if I can resurrect it? Is it an old squeak 3.8 image? I'll give it a shot (as well as seeing if I can help on any refactorings tool improvements too) - nothing like getting stuck in the deepend... Tim

Aug. 17, 2010