November 2014 - Pharo-users

Re: [Pharo-users] Alternate browser

by Thierry Goubier

Le 29/11/2014 16:28, phil(a)highoctane.be a Ã©crit : > Doc at the bottom of the right pane would be nice. Done for the pharo3 version, along with the ability to properly unregister AltBrowser from the settings (AltBrowser->make default browser). There is now a menu command toggling the comment pane(*). Comment is read-only even if one can type things in it(**). If we could add comments to protocols or packages, it would display those when appropriate. Oh, and for the fun :) It also works in the "message browser" mode as well as the "finder" results (which is something I wrote 0 lines for :)). Now some polishing is needed; you know better how you would like it to be, so its yours :) Thierry (*) Would that be better as a kind of setting? Making the menu longer for something you rarely switch on or off... (**) I'm lazy ;) It could be nice to have it as a more "floating" / or different color read-only pane to mark it as documentation, or even make it rw if you feel like it. > Phil > > Le 29 nov. 2014 11:43, "Thierry Goubier" <thierry.goubier(a)gmail.com > <mailto:thierry.goubier@gmail.com>> a Ã©crit : > > Le 29/11/2014 11:29, phil(a)highoctane.be <mailto:phil@highoctane.be> > a Ã©crit : > > I have been using AltBrowser for a test. > > Some feedback > > - I like to see doc with my code so having to click back and > forth is > annoying and not conductive to writing class comments. > > > Good point. I wondered about having multiple text panes on the right > (linked to multi-selection in the tree, such as selecting a comment > + a method) but I decided against it on pure lazyness excuses (fear > of code complexity / unable to see a simple way of doing it / able > to get along without it). > > Given the size of the text pane on the right, it seems we could do a > lot with it. > > But I have a feeling that having the start of a method allways at > the same place (in the window) is significant. > > A "auto-appearing" comment pane at the bottom? > > - I got a couple freezes > > > Interesting. If you find a way to reproduce them, I'll be happy. > > - I wonder how to get back to Nautilus. It would be nice to be > able to > use both. > > > Nautilus is still there. You can open one (PackageTreeNautilus > open), but, yes, it could be nice to unregister AltBrowser. Wait, I > think there is a settings option... > > Thierry > > > Phil > > Le 29 nov. 2014 10:40, "Thierry Goubier" > <thierry.goubier(a)gmail.com <mailto:thierry.goubier@gmail.com> > <mailto:thierry.goubier@gmail.__com > <mailto:thierry.goubier@gmail.com>>> a Ã©crit : > > Le 29/11/2014 10:06, Hilaire a Ã©crit : > > https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/____filters/?fClosedBugs=true&____ixPersonOpene… > <https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/__filters/?fClosedBugs=true&__ixPersonOpenedBy=…> > > <https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/__filters/?fClosedBugs=true&__ixPersonOpenedBy=… > <https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/filters/?fClosedBugs=true&ixPersonOpenedBy=194&…>> > > > Is that just me or is your filter/link not working? > > Don't hesitate to voice your feelings even if they don't > fit within > bug reports. The fact you're writing this is a kind of > report ;) > > Making powerfull things simple is complex > > Thierry > > Le 29/11/2014 08:53, stepharo a Ã©crit : > > where? > > Le 28/11/14 21:30, Hilaire a Ã©crit : > > Le 28/11/2014 08:07, Marcus Denker a Ã©crit : > > It is unstable with me. It is really > feature > complete, it is nice, > but I > > may use wrongly. > May be with a simpler one I will do > less > mistake. > > If nobody reports and fixes problems, they > will stay > forever. > > Reported, they are. > > Hilaire > > > > > > > > > > > >

Nov. 29, 2014

MVC/ MVP / DCI Patterns..

by S Krish

In the context of spec / UI / enterprise solutions, I have been mulling over this for some time especially when I play with FXML. To put it in context, I find FXML intriguing and nice. XML metadata that stays completely outside the code and makes it uber flexible to weave in UI to a enterprise solution post facto. The thought trail I have is: Typical Pattern: Model links to Controller that links to a: Customer View ( singleton ? ) Controller links to: Validators / Delegates.. et als.. Model links to in Memory Cache registry { that links to: Persistence Module.. I do not bother about this for now..} In FXML I see nice convention over configuration approach: * XML format.. understood by people/ more importantly editors at large.. * Controller is injectable * all method calls onAction/ events are simple viz #handleSubmitButtonAction or the ilk.. that will thereby call the controller instance methods.. * fxml can also invoke simple ( or complex) javascript action viz: jsSubmitAction( event) Would Spec see that kind of approach.. feasible for extensibility Food for thought more as rethink on fundamental patterns: a) Should view have knowledge explicitly of its Controller.. Or Controller while creating the view injects its instance.. only.. b) Should we push Controller to be a Presenter.. as the case tends to be. And then let Controller be the gateway to all other parts.. as listed above.. c) View actions & callbacks & validators are separated and dealt with a view "controller" , but the gateway to all other parts is handled by a real "observer controller" ... There has to be reliable: * bidirectional update from view -> model ( in cache ) * proper modular segregation of all parts of a standard enterprise app. to enable common and known functions of each part, flexible, scalable but importantly easily maintainable.. in future by developer other than the author.. * Scriptability is one of the desired capabilities with the shrink wrapped app to be extended

Nov. 29, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] Alternate browser

by Thierry Goubier

Le 29/11/2014 11:39, kilon alios a Ã©crit : > > "- I wonder how to get back to Nautilus. It would be nice to be able to > use both." > > thats an annoyance for me too, I would like to be given the option to > choose what browser I want to use depending on the situation. Doing that is just triggering a nice bug in Pharo 3. There is apparently no real API for unregistering a tool... > Also your comment on the comments is a valid one, I think we need a more > dynamic browser in general which currently Pharo lacks, that does not > try to choose for us how to do coding and instead gives us the choices . > Of course dynamic browsers are more effort. A Moldable system browser? The old system browser is dynamic, in a way: class / hierarchy / full. Changes based on what was your focus. The message list as well, the finder UI as well. But... complex, not that convincing. Thierry

Nov. 29, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] Alternate browser

by phil＠highoctane.be

Doc at the bottom of the right pane would be nice. Phil Le 29 nov. 2014 11:43, "Thierry Goubier" <thierry.goubier(a)gmail.com> a Ã©crit : > Le 29/11/2014 11:29, phil(a)highoctane.be a Ã©crit : > >> I have been using AltBrowser for a test. >> >> Some feedback >> >> - I like to see doc with my code so having to click back and forth is >> annoying and not conductive to writing class comments. >> > > Good point. I wondered about having multiple text panes on the right > (linked to multi-selection in the tree, such as selecting a comment + a > method) but I decided against it on pure lazyness excuses (fear of code > complexity / unable to see a simple way of doing it / able to get along > without it). > > Given the size of the text pane on the right, it seems we could do a lot > with it. > > But I have a feeling that having the start of a method allways at the same > place (in the window) is significant. > > A "auto-appearing" comment pane at the bottom? > > - I got a couple freezes >> > > Interesting. If you find a way to reproduce them, I'll be happy. > > - I wonder how to get back to Nautilus. It would be nice to be able to >> use both. >> > > Nautilus is still there. You can open one (PackageTreeNautilus open), but, > yes, it could be nice to unregister AltBrowser. Wait, I think there is a > settings option... > > Thierry > > >> Phil >> >> Le 29 nov. 2014 10:40, "Thierry Goubier" <thierry.goubier(a)gmail.com >> <mailto:thierry.goubier@gmail.com>> a Ã©crit : >> >> Le 29/11/2014 10:06, Hilaire a Ã©crit : >> >> https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/__filters/?fClosedBugs=true&__ >> ixPersonOpenedBy=194&sColumns=__Category-Favorite-Case-__ >> TitleComment-Status-Priority-__LastUpdated&sSearchFor=__ >> nautilus&sView=grid-flat >> <https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/filters/?fClosedBugs=true& >> ixPersonOpenedBy=194&sColumns=Category-Favorite-Case- >> TitleComment-Status-Priority-LastUpdated&sSearchFor= >> nautilus&sView=grid-flat> >> >> >> Is that just me or is your filter/link not working? >> >> Don't hesitate to voice your feelings even if they don't fit within >> bug reports. The fact you're writing this is a kind of report ;) >> >> Making powerfull things simple is complex >> >> Thierry >> >> Le 29/11/2014 08:53, stepharo a Ã©crit : >> >> where? >> >> Le 28/11/14 21:30, Hilaire a Ã©crit : >> >> Le 28/11/2014 08:07, Marcus Denker a Ã©crit : >> >> It is unstable with me. It is really feature >> complete, it is nice, >> but I >> >> may use wrongly. >> May be with a simpler one I will do less >> mistake. >> >> If nobody reports and fixes problems, they will stay >> forever. >> >> Reported, they are. >> >> Hilaire >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >

Nov. 29, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] Alternate browser

by stepharo

Merci Le 29/11/14 10:06, Hilaire a Ã©crit : > https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/filters/?fClosedBugs=true&ixPersonOpenedBy=194&… > > Le 29/11/2014 08:53, stepharo a Ã©crit : >> where? >> >> Le 28/11/14 21:30, Hilaire a Ã©crit : >>> Le 28/11/2014 08:07, Marcus Denker a Ã©crit : >>>>> It is unstable with me. It is really feature complete, it is nice, >>>>> but I >>>>>> may use wrongly. >>>>>> May be with a simpler one I will do less mistake. >>>>>> >>>> If nobody reports and fixes problems, they will stay forever. >>> Reported, they are. >>> >>> Hilaire >>> >> >> >

Nov. 29, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] Alternate browser

by Thierry Goubier

Le 29/11/2014 11:29, phil(a)highoctane.be a Ã©crit : > I have been using AltBrowser for a test. > > Some feedback > > - I like to see doc with my code so having to click back and forth is > annoying and not conductive to writing class comments. Good point. I wondered about having multiple text panes on the right (linked to multi-selection in the tree, such as selecting a comment + a method) but I decided against it on pure lazyness excuses (fear of code complexity / unable to see a simple way of doing it / able to get along without it). Given the size of the text pane on the right, it seems we could do a lot with it. But I have a feeling that having the start of a method allways at the same place (in the window) is significant. A "auto-appearing" comment pane at the bottom? > - I got a couple freezes Interesting. If you find a way to reproduce them, I'll be happy. > - I wonder how to get back to Nautilus. It would be nice to be able to > use both. Nautilus is still there. You can open one (PackageTreeNautilus open), but, yes, it could be nice to unregister AltBrowser. Wait, I think there is a settings option... Thierry > > Phil > > Le 29 nov. 2014 10:40, "Thierry Goubier" <thierry.goubier(a)gmail.com > <mailto:thierry.goubier@gmail.com>> a Ã©crit : > > Le 29/11/2014 10:06, Hilaire a Ã©crit : > > https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/__filters/?fClosedBugs=true&__ixPersonOpenedBy=… > <https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/filters/?fClosedBugs=true&ixPersonOpenedBy=194&…> > > > Is that just me or is your filter/link not working? > > Don't hesitate to voice your feelings even if they don't fit within > bug reports. The fact you're writing this is a kind of report ;) > > Making powerfull things simple is complex > > Thierry > > Le 29/11/2014 08:53, stepharo a Ã©crit : > > where? > > Le 28/11/14 21:30, Hilaire a Ã©crit : > > Le 28/11/2014 08:07, Marcus Denker a Ã©crit : > > It is unstable with me. It is really feature > complete, it is nice, > but I > > may use wrongly. > May be with a simpler one I will do less > mistake. > > If nobody reports and fixes problems, they will stay > forever. > > Reported, they are. > > Hilaire > > > > > > > > >

Nov. 29, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] Alternate browser

by kilon alios

"- I wonder how to get back to Nautilus. It would be nice to be able to use both." thats an annoyance for me too, I would like to be given the option to choose what browser I want to use depending on the situation. Also your comment on the comments is a valid one, I think we need a more dynamic browser in general which currently Pharo lacks, that does not try to choose for us how to do coding and instead gives us the choices . Of course dynamic browsers are more effort.

Nov. 29, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] Alternate browser

by phil＠highoctane.be

I have been using AltBrowser for a test. Some feedback - I like to see doc with my code so having to click back and forth is annoying and not conductive to writing class comments. - I got a couple freezes - I wonder how to get back to Nautilus. It would be nice to be able to use both. Phil Le 29 nov. 2014 10:40, "Thierry Goubier" <thierry.goubier(a)gmail.com> a Ã©crit : > Le 29/11/2014 10:06, Hilaire a Ã©crit : > >> https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/filters/?fClosedBugs=true& >> ixPersonOpenedBy=194&sColumns=Category-Favorite-Case- >> TitleComment-Status-Priority-LastUpdated&sSearchFor= >> nautilus&sView=grid-flat >> > > Is that just me or is your filter/link not working? > > Don't hesitate to voice your feelings even if they don't fit within bug > reports. The fact you're writing this is a kind of report ;) > > Making powerfull things simple is complex > > Thierry > > Le 29/11/2014 08:53, stepharo a Ã©crit : >> >>> where? >>> >>> Le 28/11/14 21:30, Hilaire a Ã©crit : >>> >>>> Le 28/11/2014 08:07, Marcus Denker a Ã©crit : >>>> >>>>> It is unstable with me. It is really feature complete, it is nice, >>>>>> but I >>>>>> >>>>>>> may use wrongly. >>>>>>> May be with a simpler one I will do less mistake. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If nobody reports and fixes problems, they will stay forever. >>>>> >>>> Reported, they are. >>>> >>>> Hilaire >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> > > >

Nov. 29, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] Alternate browser

by Thierry Goubier

Le 29/11/2014 10:06, Hilaire a Ã©crit : > https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/filters/?fClosedBugs=true&ixPersonOpenedBy=194&… Is that just me or is your filter/link not working? Don't hesitate to voice your feelings even if they don't fit within bug reports. The fact you're writing this is a kind of report ;) Making powerfull things simple is complex Thierry > Le 29/11/2014 08:53, stepharo a Ã©crit : >> where? >> >> Le 28/11/14 21:30, Hilaire a Ã©crit : >>> Le 28/11/2014 08:07, Marcus Denker a Ã©crit : >>>>> It is unstable with me. It is really feature complete, it is nice, >>>>> but I >>>>>> may use wrongly. >>>>>> May be with a simpler one I will do less mistake. >>>>>> >>>> If nobody reports and fixes problems, they will stay forever. >>> Reported, they are. >>> >>> Hilaire >>> >> >> >> > >

Nov. 29, 2014

Re: [Pharo-users] Alternate browser

by Hilaire

https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/filters/?fClosedBugs=true&ixPersonOpenedBy=194&… Le 29/11/2014 08:53, stepharo a Ã©crit : > where? > > Le 28/11/14 21:30, Hilaire a Ã©crit : >> Le 28/11/2014 08:07, Marcus Denker a Ã©crit : >>>> It is unstable with me. It is really feature complete, it is nice, >>>> but I >>>>> may use wrongly. >>>>> May be with a simpler one I will do less mistake. >>>>> >>> If nobody reports and fixes problems, they will stay forever. >> Reported, they are. >> >> Hilaire >> > > > -- Dr. Geo - http://drgeo.eu iStoa - http://istoa.drgeo.eu

Nov. 29, 2014