September 2019 - Pharo-users

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo-users Digest, Vol 77, Issue 67
by Vince Refiti Sept. 23, 2019

Sept. 23, 2019

Re: FFI beginner question The SQLite3 API is very well documented, and the UDBC-SQLite3 project ( https://github.com/astares/Pharo-UDBC) is a nice and clean binding to it. Look in UDBCSQLite3Library class. Vince On Mon, Sep 23, 2019 at 1:15 PM <pharo-users-request(a)lists.pharo.org> wrote: > Send Pharo-users mailing list submissions to > pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://lists.pharo.org/mailman/listinfo/pharo-users_lists.pharo.org > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > pharo-users-request(a)lists.pharo.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > pharo-users-owner(a)lists.pharo.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Pharo-users digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. FFI beginner question (Richard O'Keefe) > 2. Re: Code of Conduct (Richard O'Keefe) > 3. Re: FFI beginner question (Brainstorms) > 4. Re: Code of Conduct (Offray Vladimir Luna C?rdenas) > 5. Re: Code of Conduct (Steve Quezadas) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2019 11:56:50 +1200 > From: "Richard O'Keefe" <raoknz(a)gmail.com> > To: Any question about pharo is welcome <pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org> > Subject: [Pharo-users] FFI beginner question > Message-ID: > <CABcYAd+DggCnoSaQr+D54Hc5= > Mb_ToRw8+o+saeEonipyMckzw(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > I am developing a Smalltalk interface to an existing C library which I > intend to make generally available. Naturally I am doing this in my own > Smalltalk system first, where it's unsurprisingly easy for me. But when > I have it working, I'd like to make a Pharo port available. > > I have never used the Foreign Function Interface in Pharo before and > don't even know where to start. > > What should I read first? > Is there a model project to imitate? > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2019 12:40:46 +1200 > From: "Richard O'Keefe" <raoknz(a)gmail.com> > To: Any question about pharo is welcome <pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org> > Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] Code of Conduct > Message-ID: > < > CABcYAd+Xgn45++FKgDogZgEGzQfpPCg7+ZY4t+RaPxYSYLgctQ(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > This is not a question of left vs right. It's a question of > authoritarian vs libertarian. > And this is very relevant to the community. > It's also not a question of democracy vs central authority. > It's a question of vs ???????? vs goodspeak. > And this is very relevant to the community also. > > Pharo is "owned" by the people who do the bulk of the work on it, > and they are kind enough to share it with us. That there is such a > thing as a *Pharo* community is the result of their work. > > That there is such a thing as a Pharo *community* depends on the ability of > that community to communicate freely. This cuts BOTH ways. If people are > scared off by incivility, that's bad. If people are driven away by > incivility, > that's bad. But when you stop seeing rudeness as rudeness, which may be > amended, and start seeing it as crimethink, you drive people away, and that > is bad too. > > Let's consider a recent thread. I took the position that << and putOn: > were > confusing, unreliable, and unnecessary. The unreliability issue has been > addressed in Pharo 8; had I not been able to speak I would never have > learned > that. Some people apparently think that it improves readability, where I > find > that << impairs my ability to understand. The fact that BOTH sides were > able > to speak freely means that we now know (a) that there is no consensus for > removing them from the system and (b) if you want other people to read your > code you might want to think twice before using them, and we are all > better off. > But if criticising someone's opinion were construed as harassment, the > thread > would have been shut down before I displayed my code with a generalisation > that is worth having if << is worth having at all. > > I probably should have mentioned the Erlang code of conduct > http://erlang.org/download/erlang_org_code_of_conduct.txt > It is pretty a-political, has graduated response, and potential for > forgiveness. > > A code of conduct for *events* is another matter, which is why I bring > Erlang up. > http://erlang.org/pipermail/erlang-questions/2015-March/083849.html > is eye-opening. (It's mainly about Ruby community issues.) > > On Mon, 23 Sep 2019 at 11:51, Offray Vladimir Luna C?rdenas > <offray.luna(a)mutabit.com> wrote: > > > > My point was that this community, as a the big majority of FLOSS ones, > is not a democracy and *not* having a democracy has shown its benefits in > human endeavors like science, technology, hackerspaces and so on. > > > > I'll keep the rest of the conversation with you on the source code > repository and the PR. See you there. > > > > > > On 22/09/19 6:40 p. m., Steve Quezadas wrote: > > > > This isn't science, this is a community. We don't need a CoC, there > haven't been any problems on this list regarding nazis or whatever. This is > just a group of people trying to enforce their political ideologies on > everyone else. Let's just remove the CoC altogether and just replace it > with one line: "this maillist is about Pharo, anything else is offtopic". > > > > If you want to debate on the merits of Islam vs Christianity/ right vs > left / thugs vs racists , you are free to hold your opinion on some other > sub, but it's offtopic here. > > > > On Sun, Sep 22, 2019 at 4:23 PM Offray Vladimir Luna C?rdenas < > offray.luna(a)mutabit.com> wrote: > >> > >> There is no data to support such supposed majority. But even so, free, > libre, open source communities are not democracies. Imagine the quality of > code or argumentation based on perceived majorities? If science would be a > democracy, the earth would be "still" flat. > >> > >> On 22/09/19 6:04 p. m., Steve Quezadas wrote: > >> > >> I would say that the majority don't seem to be in favor of it. This > should be a democracy. > >> > >> On Sun, Sep 22, 2019 at 1:53 PM Offray Vladimir Luna C?rdenas < > offray.luna(a)mutabit.com> wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> On 22/09/19 3:38 p. m., Steve Quezadas wrote: > >>> > > The discussion so far shows that CoC is not a distraction to many > >>> > > >>> > Actually, the discussion shows that the CoC is "a distraction to > many". > >>> > >>> Actually it shows that some people consider it a distraction, others > >>> don't. I think that every body here is able to form its own opinion on > >>> that and invest time and effort accordingly. > >>> > >>> Cheers, > >>> > >>> Offray > >>> > >>> > >>> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2019 19:41:09 -0500 (CDT) > From: Brainstorms <wild.ideas(a)gmail.com> > To: pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org > Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] FFI beginner question > Message-ID: <1569199269309-0.post(a)n4.nabble.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > I'm also interested in this... > > Any plans to draft a Pharo booklet on this subject? > > -Ted > > > > > -- > Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2019 21:37:19 -0500 > From: Offray Vladimir Luna C?rdenas <offray.luna(a)mutabit.com> > To: pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org > Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] Code of Conduct > Message-ID: <ded9afcf-a557-9a0f-1aac-e45262b36d1a(a)mutabit.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > I agreed that the last decision should be on the ones who made the bulk > of the work. But I don't see relationship between a code of conduct and > not being able to talk about code or contributions quality. Just looking > at the FAQ of the original CoC that originated the whole think, I see a > lot of answers about the stuff being said on this thread (minorities, > left wing progressive agenda, diminish of code quality because of it, > mixing tech with non-tech stuff), so I will refer to it, because as I > said, I think that the PR should be the place for the bulk of the > discussion: > > https://www.contributor-covenant.org/faq > > The FAQ name goes pretty well, considering the amount of repeated > arguments they deal with. I think that many of the FAQ apply for other > CoCs, despite of the possible different nature of CoC for the online > community and the CoC for other face to face events. BTW, Thanks for the > links, both provide a better context for the emergence of the CoC in the > Erlang community. > > As said, I will try to see for specific contributions in the > correspondent PR in the repo, and made some if I have a one. For the > moment I'm trying to make my contributions on this thread, but is taking > a lot. > > Cheers, > > Offray > > On 22/09/19 7:40 p.?m., Richard O'Keefe wrote: > > This is not a question of left vs right. It's a question of > > authoritarian vs libertarian. > > And this is very relevant to the community. > > It's also not a question of democracy vs central authority. > > It's a question of vs ???????? vs goodspeak. > > And this is very relevant to the community also. > > > > Pharo is "owned" by the people who do the bulk of the work on it, > > and they are kind enough to share it with us. That there is such a > > thing as a *Pharo* community is the result of their work. > > > > That there is such a thing as a Pharo *community* depends on the ability > of > > that community to communicate freely. This cuts BOTH ways. If people > are > > scared off by incivility, that's bad. If people are driven away by > incivility, > > that's bad. But when you stop seeing rudeness as rudeness, which may be > > amended, and start seeing it as crimethink, you drive people away, and > that > > is bad too. > > > > Let's consider a recent thread. I took the position that << and putOn: > were > > confusing, unreliable, and unnecessary. The unreliability issue has been > > addressed in Pharo 8; had I not been able to speak I would never have > learned > > that. Some people apparently think that it improves readability, where > I find > > that << impairs my ability to understand. The fact that BOTH sides were > able > > to speak freely means that we now know (a) that there is no consensus for > > removing them from the system and (b) if you want other people to read > your > > code you might want to think twice before using them, and we are all > better off. > > But if criticising someone's opinion were construed as harassment, the > thread > > would have been shut down before I displayed my code with a > generalisation > > that is worth having if << is worth having at all. > > > > I probably should have mentioned the Erlang code of conduct > > http://erlang.org/download/erlang_org_code_of_conduct.txt > > It is pretty a-political, has graduated response, and potential for > forgiveness. > > > > A code of conduct for *events* is another matter, which is why I bring > > Erlang up. > > http://erlang.org/pipermail/erlang-questions/2015-March/083849.html > > is eye-opening. (It's mainly about Ruby community issues.) > > > > On Mon, 23 Sep 2019 at 11:51, Offray Vladimir Luna C?rdenas > > <offray.luna(a)mutabit.com> wrote: > >> My point was that this community, as a the big majority of FLOSS ones, > is not a democracy and *not* having a democracy has shown its benefits in > human endeavors like science, technology, hackerspaces and so on. > >> > >> I'll keep the rest of the conversation with you on the source code > repository and the PR. See you there. > >> > >> > >> On 22/09/19 6:40 p. m., Steve Quezadas wrote: > >> > >> This isn't science, this is a community. We don't need a CoC, there > haven't been any problems on this list regarding nazis or whatever. This is > just a group of people trying to enforce their political ideologies on > everyone else. Let's just remove the CoC altogether and just replace it > with one line: "this maillist is about Pharo, anything else is offtopic". > >> > >> If you want to debate on the merits of Islam vs Christianity/ right vs > left / thugs vs racists , you are free to hold your opinion on some other > sub, but it's offtopic here. > >> > >> On Sun, Sep 22, 2019 at 4:23 PM Offray Vladimir Luna C?rdenas < > offray.luna(a)mutabit.com> wrote: > >>> There is no data to support such supposed majority. But even so, free, > libre, open source communities are not democracies. Imagine the quality of > code or argumentation based on perceived majorities? If science would be a > democracy, the earth would be "still" flat. > >>> > >>> On 22/09/19 6:04 p. m., Steve Quezadas wrote: > >>> > >>> I would say that the majority don't seem to be in favor of it. This > should be a democracy. > >>> > >>> On Sun, Sep 22, 2019 at 1:53 PM Offray Vladimir Luna C?rdenas < > offray.luna(a)mutabit.com> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> On 22/09/19 3:38 p. m., Steve Quezadas wrote: > >>>>>> The discussion so far shows that CoC is not a distraction to many > >>>>> Actually, the discussion shows that the CoC is "a distraction to > many". > >>>> Actually it shows that some people consider it a distraction, others > >>>> don't. I think that every body here is able to form its own opinion on > >>>> that and invest time and effort accordingly. > >>>> > >>>> Cheers, > >>>> > >>>> Offray > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2019 20:14:26 -0700 > From: Steve Quezadas <steveeq1(a)gmail.com> > To: Any question about pharo is welcome <pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org> > Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] Code of Conduct > Message-ID: > <CAJzdPQV0YZXWePmfJ_PNbmBZeWq_Ov-St1iG9h8hd4dx=9CN= > w(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > But the low rate at which marginalized people are recruited, and > > the high rate at which they leave the industry > <https://www.kaporcenter.org/tech-leavers/>, point to a larger > > cultural and systemic problem. > > Your interpreting this information with a SJW lens. Otherwise known as > "confirmation bias". Look at the low proportion of blacks and women who > apply for CS majors in college. Are you going to say that colleges are > using discriminatory practices to keep blacks and women from taking CS > classes? Maybe the bulk of the low recruitment statistics is simply due to > non-interest within that sub-culture. > > I believe this CoC is a way to wedge left-wing politics in a non-political > maillist. I want it out. > > On Sun, Sep 22, 2019 at 7:37 PM Offray Vladimir Luna C?rdenas < > offray.luna(a)mutabit.com> wrote: > > > I agreed that the last decision should be on the ones who made the bulk > > of the work. But I don't see relationship between a code of conduct and > > not being able to talk about code or contributions quality. Just looking > > at the FAQ of the original CoC that originated the whole think, I see a > > lot of answers about the stuff being said on this thread (minorities, > > left wing progressive agenda, diminish of code quality because of it, > > mixing tech with non-tech stuff), so I will refer to it, because as I > > said, I think that the PR should be the place for the bulk of the > > discussion: > > > > https://www.contributor-covenant.org/faq > > > > The FAQ name goes pretty well, considering the amount of repeated > > arguments they deal with. I think that many of the FAQ apply for other > > CoCs, despite of the possible different nature of CoC for the online > > community and the CoC for other face to face events. BTW, Thanks for the > > links, both provide a better context for the emergence of the CoC in the > > Erlang community. > > > > As said, I will try to see for specific contributions in the > > correspondent PR in the repo, and made some if I have a one. For the > > moment I'm trying to make my contributions on this thread, but is taking > > a lot. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Offray > > > > On 22/09/19 7:40 p. m., Richard O'Keefe wrote: > > > This is not a question of left vs right. It's a question of > > > authoritarian vs libertarian. > > > And this is very relevant to the community. > > > It's also not a question of democracy vs central authority. > > > It's a question of vs ???????? vs goodspeak. > > > And this is very relevant to the community also. > > > > > > Pharo is "owned" by the people who do the bulk of the work on it, > > > and they are kind enough to share it with us. That there is such a > > > thing as a *Pharo* community is the result of their work. > > > > > > That there is such a thing as a Pharo *community* depends on the > ability > > of > > > that community to communicate freely. This cuts BOTH ways. If people > > are > > > scared off by incivility, that's bad. If people are driven away by > > incivility, > > > that's bad. But when you stop seeing rudeness as rudeness, which may > be > > > amended, and start seeing it as crimethink, you drive people away, and > > that > > > is bad too. > > > > > > Let's consider a recent thread. I took the position that << and putOn: > > were > > > confusing, unreliable, and unnecessary. The unreliability issue has > been > > > addressed in Pharo 8; had I not been able to speak I would never have > > learned > > > that. Some people apparently think that it improves readability, where > > I find > > > that << impairs my ability to understand. The fact that BOTH sides > were > > able > > > to speak freely means that we now know (a) that there is no consensus > for > > > removing them from the system and (b) if you want other people to read > > your > > > code you might want to think twice before using them, and we are all > > better off. > > > But if criticising someone's opinion were construed as harassment, the > > thread > > > would have been shut down before I displayed my code with a > > generalisation > > > that is worth having if << is worth having at all. > > > > > > I probably should have mentioned the Erlang code of conduct > > > http://erlang.org/download/erlang_org_code_of_conduct.txt > > > It is pretty a-political, has graduated response, and potential for > > forgiveness. > > > > > > A code of conduct for *events* is another matter, which is why I bring > > > Erlang up. > > > http://erlang.org/pipermail/erlang-questions/2015-March/083849.html > > > is eye-opening. (It's mainly about Ruby community issues.) > > > > > > On Mon, 23 Sep 2019 at 11:51, Offray Vladimir Luna C?rdenas > > > <offray.luna(a)mutabit.com> wrote: > > >> My point was that this community, as a the big majority of FLOSS ones, > > is not a democracy and *not* having a democracy has shown its benefits in > > human endeavors like science, technology, hackerspaces and so on. > > >> > > >> I'll keep the rest of the conversation with you on the source code > > repository and the PR. See you there. > > >> > > >> > > >> On 22/09/19 6:40 p. m., Steve Quezadas wrote: > > >> > > >> This isn't science, this is a community. We don't need a CoC, there > > haven't been any problems on this list regarding nazis or whatever. This > is > > just a group of people trying to enforce their political ideologies on > > everyone else. Let's just remove the CoC altogether and just replace it > > with one line: "this maillist is about Pharo, anything else is offtopic". > > >> > > >> If you want to debate on the merits of Islam vs Christianity/ right vs > > left / thugs vs racists , you are free to hold your opinion on some other > > sub, but it's offtopic here. > > >> > > >> On Sun, Sep 22, 2019 at 4:23 PM Offray Vladimir Luna C?rdenas < > > offray.luna(a)mutabit.com> wrote: > > >>> There is no data to support such supposed majority. But even so, > free, > > libre, open source communities are not democracies. Imagine the quality > of > > code or argumentation based on perceived majorities? If science would be > a > > democracy, the earth would be "still" flat. > > >>> > > >>> On 22/09/19 6:04 p. m., Steve Quezadas wrote: > > >>> > > >>> I would say that the majority don't seem to be in favor of it. This > > should be a democracy. > > >>> > > >>> On Sun, Sep 22, 2019 at 1:53 PM Offray Vladimir Luna C?rdenas < > > offray.luna(a)mutabit.com> wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>> On 22/09/19 3:38 p. m., Steve Quezadas wrote: > > >>>>>> The discussion so far shows that CoC is not a distraction to many > > >>>>> Actually, the discussion shows that the CoC is "a distraction to > > many". > > >>>> Actually it shows that some people consider it a distraction, others > > >>>> don't. I think that every body here is able to form its own opinion > on > > >>>> that and invest time and effort accordingly. > > >>>> > > >>>> Cheers, > > >>>> > > >>>> Offray > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > >

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Defensive programming or not
by Kasper Osterbye Sept. 23, 2019

Sept. 23, 2019

Cheers all, In trying to fix one of the issues in Pharo, I came to wonder about the prefered style in in dealing with preconditions to methods in Pharo. In the method Random>>nextInt: anInteger - There is a check if anInteger is negative - There is no check that anInteger is anInteger When should I put a guard there, and throw an early warning, and when is it part of the (often implicit pre-condition)? Best, Kasper

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Playground - retrieving pages from play-cache
by PBKResearch Sept. 22, 2019

Sept. 22, 2019

I have a mystery when using the 'Play Pages' button on the top right of the playground. One particular file, which has been through several versions, never appears in the drop-down list on clicking this button. It is in the play-cache, and I access it by opening the file from the file explorer with WordPad, then copying and pasting into the playground. More mysteriously, having got at in this way, as a test I closed the playground containing it, then clicked the 'Play Pages' button in a new empty playground; the mystery file was there at the top of the list. Close down Pharo and restart, click 'Play Pages' in a new playground, the file is missing again. Is there anything I should be doing to ensure it is accessible? I have tried closing the playground before I shut down Pharo, and alternatively leaving it open and letting the Pharo shut-down close it. Does 'Play Pages' work by examining the contents of the 'play-cache' folder, or does it maintain its own list of files? I am using 32-bit Moose Suite 6.1 (Pharo 6.0 Latest update: #60541) on Windows 10. Many thanks for any help Peter Kenny

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pharo for ios and android
by Steve Quezadas Sept. 22, 2019

Sept. 22, 2019

I am going to the portland meetup this october and I noticed that one of the items listed is "Smalltalk on iOS and Android" which intrigues me. Is some Guilfoyle-type here writing a VM for these platforms? I was joking with a friend that we should write a vm for ios using the "smalltalk blue book" and it would be fun to learn how vm's work by trying to write sometihng for ios. Is someone already working on this? - Steve

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Can one use freetype fonts with Roassal?
by Mark Miller Sept. 22, 2019

Sept. 22, 2019

I'm interested in using Pharo to do a math presentation, by which I mean I'd like to show some algebra in process. I'm using a Mac (macOS Mojave), and Pharo 7. I've settled upon Roassal2 as a good package to use for this, as I'd like to arrange characters, and possibly do a little animation, and maybe a little bit of effects with alpha settings. However, I'd like to show the alphabetic characters in the traditional way for math (italicized), and I'd like to be able to control the font size. Looking at the Roassal examples, I can see how to control the font size, but not the font face. I've been exploring what package Roassal uses for displaying fonts. It appears to be FreeType. I have FreeType installed on macOS from Homebrew, and I've copied a couple fonts into a "fonts" folder under my home directory (as FreeType in Pharo seems to demand)--Times New Roman Italic, and Arial Italic--but if I try to change the font face to any one of these, the font face doesn't change, but I lose font sizing. Every character appears the same size, even though the code is still trying to set the font height. I'll use the Roassal exampleFontSize example to illustrate. As-is, exampleFontSize displays this: <http://forum.world.st/file/t26333/Roassal_fonts1.png> Once I try to change the font face to Times New Roman Italic, it looks like this: <http://forum.world.st/file/t26333/Roassal_fonts2.png> I've tried changing it to use Arial Italic, but the font face still doesn't change, and I lose all font sizing. Any ideas on why this is happening? Thanks. -- Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html

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FFIExternalType hooks; naming convention
by eftomi Sept. 21, 2019

Sept. 21, 2019

HI, I have a couple of questions regarding FFI: - If you want to create a new FFIExternalType subclass, which are the necessary hooks that should be implemented - like #externalType, #externalTypeSize â¦ on the class side and #basicHandle:at:, #basicHandle:at:put:, #stackValueParameterClass, etc. on the instance side? - Is there anything else that should be done besides hooks - for instance another "entries" into FFIConstants class>>#initializeTypeConstants or even ExternalType>>#initializeAtomicTypes ? - About naming standards: the ExternalData class has some methods that "grab" strings from the heap, like ExternalData>>#fromCString and ExternalData>>#readStringUTF8 - these two methods do the heavy work, however the method ExternalData>>#readString more or less just refers to ExternalData>>#fromCString. Is there any difference between "from..." and "read..."? Thanks! Best wishes, Tomaz -- Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html

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Re: [Pharo-users] uFFI ExternalAddress challenges
by TomaÅ¾ Turk Sept. 21, 2019

Sept. 21, 2019

OK, great, I'll try it out. Thanks, Tomaz ------ Original Message ------ From: "Guillermo Polito" <guillermopolito(a)gmail.com> To: "TomaÅ¾ Turk" <tomaz.turk(a)ef.uni-lj.si> Sent: 17.9.2019 11:56:21 Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] uFFI ExternalAddress challenges >I donât know if there is support for that (I donât have the time to >check it in detail now). >But, as a workaround, you may try > > - return a void* > > myFunction > ^self ffiCall: #(void* myFunction ( void ) ) > > - and then do the transformation yourself using >Win32WideString>>#fromHandle: >

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New non-critical project - which Pharo to use?
by sergio ruiz Sept. 20, 2019

Sept. 20, 2019

Hi, all. I have a new project that I am launching. Itâs non critical, and not complex. It will be using Teapot and Fuel, and not much else. Should I start working on Pharo 8? Is everyone migrating to 8 now? Thanks! ---- peace, sergio photographer, journalist, visionary Public Key: http://bit.ly/29z9fG0 #BitMessage BM-NBaswViL21xqgg9STRJjaJaUoyiNe2dV @sergio_101@mastodon.social https://sergio101.com http://www.codeandmusic.com http://www.twitter.com/sergio_101 http://www.facebook.com/sergio101

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Re: [Pharo-users] Code of Conduct
by PBKResearch Sept. 20, 2019

Sept. 20, 2019

I donât think this conversation can be closed while things are in the present unclear situation. The github entry at https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/blob/Pharo8.0/CODE_OF_CONDUCT.md is still there, and has been there since last May. The github discussion on https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/4637 was abruptly closed by Stephane Ducasse, after some intemperate comments about Serge Stinckwich. This is therefore the only place questions can be asked. We now know that Serge posted the Code without prior discussion with the board. Did he have authority to do this on behalf of the Pharo community? Does the fact that he did so mean it is officially adopted by the community â not just for this mailing list, but for all Pharo activities? If Serge did not have authority, shouldnât it just be removed, at least until the board have discussed it? The PR mentioned above was a proposal by James Foster that, if we need a code of conduct, it should be the ACM code. The PR has now been closed. Does that mean that Jamesâs proposal has been rejected? If so, why? If the conversation is closed now, that means that we are tacitly accepting that the code is there and in force, and also tacitly accepting how it got there. What is necessary is for the board collectively, or someone representing the board, to tell us what the situation is and what is going to happen next â preferably with justifications. Peter Kenny From: Pharo-users <pharo-users-bounces(a)lists.pharo.org> On Behalf Of Steve Quezadas Sent: 19 September 2019 03:35 To: Any question about pharo is welcome <pharo-users(a)lists.pharo.org> Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] R: Code of Conduct Yeah, I agree. Why is this even here? The thing I like about this maillist is that its very community oriented and everyone here helps each other. It's devoid of all the political-soapbox nonsense that I would find on, say, facebook. Which is why I don't deal with that platform anymore. And most of this is common sense anyway. Yeah, don't harass people and make fun of them or whatever, Like most people on this list doesn't already know that. Im very vocal about certain political and social opinions, am not ashamed about my opinions, am open about it, is currently "unpopular" but don't discuss them here because it's offtopic and I don't want to piss off people in any event. I don't want it turning into another facebook basically. I think we should all close this conversation, it's offtopic and not relevant to any problems this list has in any meaningful way. - Steve On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 1:07 PM Kasper Ãsterbye <kasper.osterbye(a)gmail.com <mailto:kasper.osterbye@gmail.com> > wrote: When I read the Code of conduct which is part of Pharo, my reaction was "OK, I don't expect to run into trouble over that one, so no worries". After having read the discussion here I would rather it was not there. -- Kasper

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Re: [Pharo-users] Code of Conduct
by Offray Vladimir Luna CÃ¡rdenas Sept. 19, 2019

Sept. 19, 2019

The post was deleted not because of the CoC, but because of an unrespectful treatment of one of the members of the community, as the conversation here shows. And in fact what this probe that we care as a community for the well being of the community and its members, specially when complex matters are addressed, and not only for commits or some future possible porting and that such promises or technical prowess don't entitled anyone to insult others. Cheers, Offray On 19/09/19 10:06 a.Â m., Eugen Leitl via Pharo-users wrote:

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