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Re: [Pharo-users] auto-format on save/display in pharo 2?

by Benjamin

Write a Nautilus plugin :P Ben On Jun 12, 2013, at 2:10 PM, Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com> wrote: > And what about the simple "format" which used to be with ctrl+r ? Is it somehow available in Nautilus in Pharo 2.0? > > > On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 4:31 AM, Guillermo Polito <guillermopolito(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I'd love to have a setting enabling that! <3 > > > On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 11:39 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > not that I know but I would really like to experiment with such feature. > > On Jun 11, 2013, at 7:05 PM, Paul DeBruicker <pdebruic(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > Is there a way to set the browser to auto format on save or display in > > pharo 2? > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Mariano > http://marianopeck.wordpress.com

June 12, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] minimal headless pharo2 for CentOS

by Robert Shiplett

Oh, disk size is NOT the issue ! ;-) On 12 June 2013 08:12, LogiqueWerks <grshiplett(a)gmail.com> wrote: > If it is not under 50Mb with min packages + my classes, then I think no > one in the minimalist camp is going to look at my efforts ( this is my > "emit Curl markup" as alternative-to-HTML project for learning Japanese > kanji via personalized mnemonics. ) > > The first image would be to parse Yaml and emit Curl markup ; the second > MAY use Seaside to respond with MIME of text/vnd.curl ... but I still have > so many issues to address ... and no Xvnc installed yet ... and only Python > 2.6.6 so far on this CentOS 6.3 > > My aversion to PCRE is a driving force here , so I have a lot of work to > do ... > > > > On 11 June 2013 07:41, Sven Van Caekenberghe-2 [via Smalltalk] <[hidden > email] <http://user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=4692971&i=0>> wrote: > >> Robert, >> >> What size are you aiming for ? >> >> A normal Pharo image needs between 50 and 100 Mb, with everything >> included. >> >> Not much in my book, are there such small VPS machines today ? >> I run 6 such Images/VM pairs on a AWS EC2 micro instances (~600Mb RAM). >> Linode starts at 1Gb ... >> >> Sven >> >> On 11 Jun 2013, at 12:14, LogiqueWerks <[hidden email]<http://user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=4692755&i=0>> >> wrote: >> >> > re: headless Pharo 2.0 >> > >> > I just finished building gst on a tiny VPS site, but I would rather use >> > pharo ... I can get some tips from pharo --help in my SSH console but I >> have >> > a big dev CentOS here in VirtualBox in which to experiment in headless >> > builds if set on the right track ... >> > >> > Does anyone have a tip on starting with a Pharo 2.0 core ? I just need >> > sockets, minimal HTTP and StdOut - I don't think I want Seaside on this >> tiny >> > install ... but I would rather be using an HTTP server in Pharo than in >> Ruby >> > or Python ... I have come to loathe Lighttpd and nginx config silliness >> ... >> > but I could fallback to Ruby Sinatra or merb while I wait ... (the >> > poor-man's Smalltalk ;-) >> > >> > Or should I be looking to strip down a VW image and wait for Pharo 3 ? >> I am >> > scripting with Rebol 2 for now while I wait for rebol3 or Red ... >> > >> > thanks, >> > Robert >> > in a small Atlantic town >> > Canada >> > >> > PS last night I could not see how to run St/X without X to see what mem >> > footprint I would face ! >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > View this message in context: >> http://forum.world.st/minimal-headless-pharo2-for-CentOS-tp4692753.html >> > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> > >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the >> discussion below: >> >> http://forum.world.st/minimal-headless-pharo2-for-CentOS-tp4692753p4692755.… >> To unsubscribe from minimal headless pharo2 for CentOS, click here. >> NAML<http://forum.world.st/template/NamlServlet.jtp?macro=macro_viewer&id=instan…> >> > > > ------------------------------ > View this message in context: Re: minimal headless pharo2 for CentOS<http://forum.world.st/minimal-headless-pharo2-for-CentOS-tp4692753p4692971.…> > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive<http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html>at Nabble.com. >

June 12, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] auto-format on save/display in pharo 2?

by Esteban A. Maringolo

I was used to "format & accept", it was Ctrl+Shift+S (Accept/Save was Ctrl+S). Ctrl+F is a commonly used shortcut for "Format code". I tend to use the dialect formatter by default when saving, because that way everytime I do a refactoring the resulting code will have the same formatting rules as the original one. So my vote goes for Ctrl+Shift+S (or Cmd+Shift+S). Regards. Esteban A. Maringolo 2013/6/12 Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com> > hheheh sorry, I forgot to be clearer ;) > I was asking a shortcut for that, besides the menu entry :) > Thanks sven! > > > On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 9:18 AM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)beta9.be>wrote: > >> >> On 12 Jun 2013, at 14:10, Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> And what about the simple "format" which used to be with ctrl+r ? Is it >> somehow available in Nautilus in Pharo 2.0? >> >> >> You are getting old Mariano, it is right there: >> >> >> ;-) >> >> On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 4:31 AM, Guillermo Polito < >> guillermopolito(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> I'd love to have a setting enabling that! <3 >> >> >> On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 11:39 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse < >> stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >> not that I know but I would really like to experiment with such feature. >> >> On Jun 11, 2013, at 7:05 PM, Paul DeBruicker <pdebruic(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> > >> > >> > Is there a way to set the browser to auto format on save or display in >> > pharo 2? >> > >> > >> > Thanks >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Mariano >> http://marianopeck.wordpress.com >> >> >> > > > -- > Mariano > http://marianopeck.wordpress.com >

June 12, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] auto-format on save/display in pharo 2?

by Mariano Martinez Peck

hheheh sorry, I forgot to be clearer ;) I was asking a shortcut for that, besides the menu entry :) Thanks sven! On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 9:18 AM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)beta9.be>wrote: > > On 12 Jun 2013, at 14:10, Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > > And what about the simple "format" which used to be with ctrl+r ? Is it > somehow available in Nautilus in Pharo 2.0? > > > You are getting old Mariano, it is right there: > > > ;-) > > On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 4:31 AM, Guillermo Polito < > guillermopolito(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I'd love to have a setting enabling that! <3 > > > On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 11:39 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse < > stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > not that I know but I would really like to experiment with such feature. > > On Jun 11, 2013, at 7:05 PM, Paul DeBruicker <pdebruic(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > Is there a way to set the browser to auto format on save or display in > > pharo 2? > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Mariano > http://marianopeck.wordpress.com > > > -- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com

June 12, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] auto-format on save/display in pharo 2?

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

On 12 Jun 2013, at 14:10, Mariano Martinez Peck <marianopeck(a)gmail.com> wrote: > And what about the simple "format" which used to be with ctrl+r ? Is it somehow available in Nautilus in Pharo 2.0? You are getting old Mariano, it is right there: ;-) > On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 4:31 AM, Guillermo Polito <guillermopolito(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I'd love to have a setting enabling that! <3 > > > On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 11:39 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > not that I know but I would really like to experiment with such feature. > > On Jun 11, 2013, at 7:05 PM, Paul DeBruicker <pdebruic(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > Is there a way to set the browser to auto format on save or display in > > pharo 2? > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Mariano > http://marianopeck.wordpress.com

June 12, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] auto-format on save/display in pharo 2?

by Mariano Martinez Peck

And what about the simple "format" which used to be with ctrl+r ? Is it somehow available in Nautilus in Pharo 2.0? On Wed, Jun 12, 2013 at 4:31 AM, Guillermo Polito <guillermopolito(a)gmail.com > wrote: > I'd love to have a setting enabling that! <3 > > > On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 11:39 PM, StÃ©phane Ducasse < > stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: > >> not that I know but I would really like to experiment with such feature. >> >> On Jun 11, 2013, at 7:05 PM, Paul DeBruicker <pdebruic(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> > >> > >> > Is there a way to set the browser to auto format on save or display in >> > pharo 2? >> > >> > >> > Thanks >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> > -- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com

June 12, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] minimal headless pharo2 for CentOS

by Norbert Hartl

Am 12.06.2013 um 13:12 schrieb LogiqueWerks <grshiplett(a)gmail.com>: > If it is not under 50Mb with min packages + my classes, then I think no one in the minimalist camp is going to look at my efforts ( this is my "emit Curl markup" as alternative-to-HTML project for learning Japanese kanji via personalized mnemonics. ) > > The first image would be to parse Yaml and emit Curl markup ; the second MAY use Seaside to respond with MIME of text/vnd.curl ... but I still have so many issues to address ... and no Xvnc installed yet ... and only Python 2.6.6 so far on this CentOS 6.3 > > My aversion to PCRE is a driving force here , so I have a lot of work to do â¦ > About what size are you talking? On disk or in memory? I think the smallest usable image you can have at the moment will be around 10MB on disk. This includes the whole IDE, web server etc. Most of the parts will be unloadable in the future. So I would expect an image with some basic functionality in 2MB is a feasible goal (in the not too far future). In memory it really depends what you are doing. For non-seaside images running on a server the numbers Sven mentioned are good ones. I have an image that is 19MB on disk including Seaside-Rest, XML Parser, Pastell (lightweight xpath queries), RFB (smalltalk VNC server), Fuel (object serializer). I did not clean the image (would probably shrink to 14-15 MB), did not restrict heap size and I didn't optimize memory usage and it has 50MB in memory (RSS). So if size is something that is important for you, you could do the parser - markup generation below 20MB image size if your application isn't wasting a lot of memory. Being on the resource sparing side let me tell you that seaside is not something you want to have. Seaside does mostly server side state for clients. So it collects quite an amount of data per user. I would guess it is even hard to have something below 100MB in memory with a decent number of concurrent sessions. Norbert > > > On 11 June 2013 07:41, Sven Van Caekenberghe-2 [via Smalltalk] <[hidden email]> wrote: > Robert, > > What size are you aiming for ? > > A normal Pharo image needs between 50 and 100 Mb, with everything included. > > Not much in my book, are there such small VPS machines today ? > I run 6 such Images/VM pairs on a AWS EC2 micro instances (~600Mb RAM). > Linode starts at 1Gb ... > > Sven > > On 11 Jun 2013, at 12:14, LogiqueWerks <[hidden email]> wrote: > > > re: headless Pharo 2.0 > > > > I just finished building gst on a tiny VPS site, but I would rather use > > pharo ... I can get some tips from pharo --help in my SSH console but I have > > a big dev CentOS here in VirtualBox in which to experiment in headless > > builds if set on the right track ... > > > > Does anyone have a tip on starting with a Pharo 2.0 core ? I just need > > sockets, minimal HTTP and StdOut - I don't think I want Seaside on this tiny > > install ... but I would rather be using an HTTP server in Pharo than in Ruby > > or Python ... I have come to loathe Lighttpd and nginx config silliness ... > > but I could fallback to Ruby Sinatra or merb while I wait ... (the > > poor-man's Smalltalk ;-) > > > > Or should I be looking to strip down a VW image and wait for Pharo 3 ? I am > > scripting with Rebol 2 for now while I wait for rebol3 or Red ... > > > > thanks, > > Robert > > in a small Atlantic town > > Canada > > > > PS last night I could not see how to run St/X without X to see what mem > > footprint I would face ! > > > > > > > > -- > > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/minimal-headless-pharo2-for-CentOS-tp4692753.html > > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > > > > > > If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion below: > http://forum.world.st/minimal-headless-pharo2-for-CentOS-tp4692753p4692755.… > To unsubscribe from minimal headless pharo2 for CentOS, click here. > NAML > > > View this message in context: Re: minimal headless pharo2 for CentOS > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

June 12, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] minimal headless pharo2 for CentOS

by LogiqueWerks

If it is not under 50Mb with min packages + my classes, then I think no one in the minimalist camp is going to look at my efforts ( this is my "emit Curl markup" as alternative-to-HTML project for learning Japanese kanji via personalized mnemonics. ) The first image would be to parse Yaml and emit Curl markup ; the second MAY use Seaside to respond with MIME of text/vnd.curl ... but I still have so many issues to address ... and no Xvnc installed yet ... and only Python 2.6.6 so far on this CentOS 6.3 My aversion to PCRE is a driving force here , so I have a lot of work to do ... On 11 June 2013 07:41, Sven Van Caekenberghe-2 [via Smalltalk] < ml-node+s1294792n4692755h33(a)n4.nabble.com> wrote: > Robert, > > What size are you aiming for ? > > A normal Pharo image needs between 50 and 100 Mb, with everything > included. > > Not much in my book, are there such small VPS machines today ? > I run 6 such Images/VM pairs on a AWS EC2 micro instances (~600Mb RAM). > Linode starts at 1Gb ... > > Sven > > On 11 Jun 2013, at 12:14, LogiqueWerks <[hidden email]<http://user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node&node=4692755&i=0>> > wrote: > > > re: headless Pharo 2.0 > > > > I just finished building gst on a tiny VPS site, but I would rather use > > pharo ... I can get some tips from pharo --help in my SSH console but I > have > > a big dev CentOS here in VirtualBox in which to experiment in headless > > builds if set on the right track ... > > > > Does anyone have a tip on starting with a Pharo 2.0 core ? I just need > > sockets, minimal HTTP and StdOut - I don't think I want Seaside on this > tiny > > install ... but I would rather be using an HTTP server in Pharo than in > Ruby > > or Python ... I have come to loathe Lighttpd and nginx config silliness > ... > > but I could fallback to Ruby Sinatra or merb while I wait ... (the > > poor-man's Smalltalk ;-) > > > > Or should I be looking to strip down a VW image and wait for Pharo 3 ? > I am > > scripting with Rebol 2 for now while I wait for rebol3 or Red ... > > > > thanks, > > Robert > > in a small Atlantic town > > Canada > > > > PS last night I could not see how to run St/X without X to see what mem > > footprint I would face ! > > > > > > > > -- > > View this message in context: > http://forum.world.st/minimal-headless-pharo2-for-CentOS-tp4692753.html > > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion > below: > > http://forum.world.st/minimal-headless-pharo2-for-CentOS-tp4692753p4692755.… > To unsubscribe from minimal headless pharo2 for CentOS, click here<http://forum.world.st/template/NamlServlet.jtp?macro=unsubscribe_by_code&no…> > . > NAML<http://forum.world.st/template/NamlServlet.jtp?macro=macro_viewer&id=instan…> > -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/minimal-headless-pharo2-for-CentOS-tp4692753p4692971.… Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

June 12, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] Topic search - Learn programming with Smalltalk

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

Yes this book is interesting. Now this is several time I contacted steven wessels to know if he is interested about a port to pharo and about the license but he never replied to me (while I tried to help him finding for jobs in the past). So I cannot interact with people not even replying to mails. too bad Stef On Jun 12, 2013, at 11:54 AM, Bernat Romagosa <tibabenfortlapalanca(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I remember learning a lot and having a lot of fun with the Laser Game tutorial. I'm not sure it'll still work in newer Pharo/Squeak images though... In Squeak, maybe. In Pharo, I seriously doubt it :) > > > 2013/6/12 basilmir <mircea(a)unom.ro> > Are there any good books or resources focused on *mainly* Learning > Programming. (with Smalltalk would be a great bonus) > > I'm not looking for yet another class, syntax, other language compare etc... > Just one of those books that's filled with real exercises and medium sized > programs that you get to actually get to complete and experiment with. > > *I found these to be of great clarity:* > > *Smalltalk, Objects and Design by Chamond Liu* (I wish the account example > were a little more detailed, and the initial slow pace would extend > throughout the book, it tends to accelerate to fast) > > *Just ordered Discovering Smalltalk by Wilf LaLonde* (I have a feeling it > would be on the same level) > > It would be great if you could recommend such a book, resource. > > PS. I feel i read a great deal on the subject but never actually completed a > piece of software that's even remotely complete, the pieces just don't fit. > There is a great deal of "wow" around how you're not supposed to know how > the insides of an object works (encapsulation) but without extensive > knowledge of the framework how could one create anything of use?! > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Topic-search-Learn-programming-with-Smalltalk-tp46929… > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > > > > -- > Bernat Romagosa.

June 12, 2013

Re: [Pharo-users] Topic search - Learn programming with Smalltalk

by Bernat Romagosa

I remember learning a lot and having a lot of fun with the Laser Game tutorial <http://squeak.preeminent.org/tut2007/html/>. I'm not sure it'll still work in newer Pharo/Squeak images though... In Squeak, maybe. In Pharo, I seriously doubt it :) 2013/6/12 basilmir <mircea(a)unom.ro> > Are there any good books or resources focused on *mainly* Learning > Programming. (with Smalltalk would be a great bonus) > > I'm not looking for yet another class, syntax, other language compare > etc... > Just one of those books that's filled with real exercises and medium sized > programs that you get to actually get to complete and experiment with. > > *I found these to be of great clarity:* > > *Smalltalk, Objects and Design by Chamond Liu* (I wish the account example > were a little more detailed, and the initial slow pace would extend > throughout the book, it tends to accelerate to fast) > > *Just ordered Discovering Smalltalk by Wilf LaLonde* (I have a feeling it > would be on the same level) > > It would be great if you could recommend such a book, resource. > > PS. I feel i read a great deal on the subject but never actually completed > a > piece of software that's even remotely complete, the pieces just don't fit. > There is a great deal of "wow" around how you're not supposed to know how > the insides of an object works (encapsulation) but without extensive > knowledge of the framework how could one create anything of use?! > > > > -- > View this message in context: > http://forum.world.st/Topic-search-Learn-programming-with-Smalltalk-tp46929… > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > -- Bernat Romagosa.

June 12, 2013