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Re: [Pharo-users] "Improper store into indexable object" and weird variable names

by stepharo

Davide consider that Pharo 20 is around 2 years old and we massively improved the system since then. And that it can take you one afternoon probably to migrate to 3.0 (which is also one year old). Stef

Jan. 24, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo and X11 primary selection (aka middle mouse button paste)

by stepharo

Hi pieter > Hi, > > Thanks very much - "--textenc UTF-8" works for us! > > For the sake of others with the same issue reading this in the archives, I > just want to be pedantic and point out that I doubt "--textenc UTF-8" is > some magic panacea that will work for all systems. Obviously. Pieter do you really think that we are satisfied with the situation? No certainly not. Now do you imagine the huge todo we have? If your team is using Pharo then it may be good to think that this is also your system and you can help you and us. > The issue seems to be that the encoding Pharo uses should match that of > the surrounding system, which, for us, happens to be UTF-8 but could be > different for others. Indeed. > I was a bit sloppy when I spoke of "middle button paste". I don't mean > that the Pharo's paste command should be bound to the middle mouse button. > I meant that Pharo should be able to paste the type of X11 selection > (primary selection) that some other apps like terminals traditionally > paste when you press the middle button. We started to add SDL and we should do a large pass on the events in the future. But time is scarced > > And that is still not implemented: I need to explicitly press "Copy" in > Chrome before it is pasted to Pharo, just highlighting the text does not > work. > >> Hi, >> >> try setting the encoding of pharo to unicode when launching from command >> line and see if that fixes your problem: >> --textenc UTF-8 >> >> The default encoding is not unicode which messes pasting from some >> applications (e.g. Google Chrome 35+). >> As far as middle mouse button pasting goes I do not believe Pharo supports >> it - at least I haven't found any code related to it (although I would >> love >> to have this functionality). >> >> Peter >> >> On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 2:58 PM, Pieter Nagel <pieter(a)nagel.co.za> wrote: >> >>> Our team is very frustrated with figuring out how copy & paste is >>> supposed >>> to work in Pharo 3 under X11. >>> >>> Maybe there's something we misunderstand, or can configure? >>> >>> We can't copy and paste text directly from other X11 apps into Pharo. We >>> need to first paste the text into text editors like GEdit or XEmacs, and >>> then we can copy and paste the text from there into Pharo. >>> >>> I think this has something to do with X11's complicated model of primary >>> vs. clipboard selection. The primary selection is typically created by >>> just highlighting some text, and then (by common convention) can be >>> pasted >>> from by just pressing the middle mouse button. The clipboard selection >>> is >>> typically created by explicitly using Copy or Cut commands. >>> >>> Strange thing is, if we start with text in (for example) Google Chrome, >>> then neither type of selection can be pasted into Pharo. If we start >>> with >>> text in (for example) GEdit, then both types of selection can be pasted >>> into Pharo. >>> >>> We're using Unity under Ubuntu 12.04, if that makes a difference. >>> >>> Advice? >>> >>> Thanks. >>> >>> >>> > > >

Jan. 24, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo and X11 primary selection (aka middle mouse button paste)

by stepharo

Please add an issue. We are concerned about shortcut management. But the VM sometimes does not provide the correct information :( We hope that the SDL layer will help us simplifying this problem. > Hi, > > there are several things at play here as far as I was able to find out. > > I was researching this issue when I was frustrated with pasting from > Chrome and was able to figure at out at least a temporarily solution. > Here's my original post > http://forum.world.st/Re-Copy-past-doesn-t-work-sometimes-in-Chrome-semifix… > I also opened an issue today, however I'm not familiar with VM so I > cannot conclusively say what is correct. > https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/14759/Linux-X11-VM-default-encoding-shoul… > > > As far as middle mouse pasting goes there are two sides of it: > 1. Does Pharo VM (C-side) support it? > 2. Does Pharo (Smalltalk-side) support it? > > I believe the answer to the first one is yes, the code does make > mentions of primary selection, however the code is quite complex for > me (my investigation was pretty much trial & error)... > https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-vm/blob/master/platforms/unix/vm-dis… > > However the answer to second one is probably not, at least I was not > able to find any bindings between middle mouse button and pasting - > but again, I'm not familiar with Pharo internals. > I could open an issue for this also, however considering the code is > quite old (years) and nobody fixed it yet, nobody seems to be really > bothered by it. I for example prefer ctrl+c clipboard selection over > middle mouse primary selection, but if you have the knowledge to fix > this (which I don't have), then feel free. :) > > Peter

Jan. 24, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] Popular

by stepharo

Le 24/1/15 09:02, Ben Coman a Ã©crit : > Not currently, but it would be good - perhaps being able to add > scripts into Pillar that run to generate pictures, etc. yes Stefan Eggermont started but someone should make it works for real. Stef > > On Sat, Jan 24, 2015 at 2:22 PM, vfclists . <vfclists(a)gmail.com > <mailto:vfclists@gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > On 23 January 2015 at 16:23, Daniel Lyons <fusion(a)storytotell.org > <mailto:fusion@storytotell.org>> wrote: > > > Ben Coman writes: > > 3) a book - Currently we have only half of this. We have > a very good > > book in PBE, but it is outdated several years. Early > adopters and existing > > Pharo users can work around this, but for potential incoming > masses, an up > > to date book is a critical aspect. There is current > activity to update PBE > > for Pharo 4 (and now I realise I should help with it more, > Thanks for > > clarifying my thinking on this.) > > I'm happy to offer my services as an editor, proof-reader and > writer. > It's a lot easier to get English text out of me than code. :) > > If anybody needs or wants me to fix their text, just point me > to it. > > -- > Daniel Lyons > > > > It would help if the Pharo By Example book was integrated into > Pharo itself, so that both using it and updating it would be in > the same environment. Is it like that already? > > -- > Frank Church > > ======================= > http://devblog.brahmancreations.com > >

Jan. 24, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] Popular

by stepharo

> > > > It would help if the Pharo By Example book was integrated into Pharo > itself, so that both using it and updating it would be in the same > environment. Is it like that already? > Pharo by Example is not written in Pillar. We are porting it. What would be good is to help us supporting the automatic run of the code snippets as Oscar did in Pharo by Example. Stef

Jan. 24, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] Popular

by stepharo

Hi daniel This would be a really really great service to the community. > I'm happy to offer my services as an editor, proof-reader and writer. > It's a lot easier to get English text out of me than code. :) > > If anybody needs or wants me to fix their text, just point me to it. Oh I would really love that! We have the ready to review chapters of the next books https://github.com/SquareBracketAssociates/EnterprisePharo STON Artefact Fuel NativeBoostX11 Zinc-Encoding-Meta Zinc-HTTP Zinc-REST PillarChap are ready to edit and review https://github.com/SquareBracketAssociates/PharoReadyForReviews you can start with DSL NeoCSV NeoJSON Voyage WebSockets are ready to edit and review We are doing a pass to update PharoByExample... but we are not finished yet. Stef >

Jan. 24, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] Spec, Morphic, lists, multiple selection and drag&drop

by Piotr Klibert

Haha, ok, that's not exactly the answer I was hoping for, but well, I can't say it was a complete surprise ;-) I'll try grokking drag&drop implementation in Pharo next week and doing something with it. In my app I'm going to have one very long list as a source and a few other lists as destinations. To make it worthwhile I need to have support for dragging all items a current selection and additionally a way to make selection non-continuous, essentially what most list widgets do with Ctrl+click. Any help appreciated! Best regards, Piotr Klibert 2015-01-24 19:52 GMT+01:00 stepharo <stepharo(a)free.fr>: > > Le 24/1/15 18:27, Piotr Klibert a Ã©crit : >> >> Hi, >> >> working towards my app I encountered another problem. It's about drag >> and drop support for lists in Spec and underlying Morphs. >> >> While multiple selection is well supported in PluggableListMorph, >> reading #startDrag: and #startDragExtended: led me to believe that >> there is no support for dragging a bunch of list elements at once. > > > The drag and drop support sucks. I'm sorry about it. But this is a reality. > >> It >> looks like drag is always initialized for the element that was clicked >> (dragIndex := self rowAtLocation: evt position.) and I see no easy >> extension point for changing this to support dragging all selected >> items instead. >> >> Am I missing some methods or classes that would let me do this, or is >> this indeed not possible right now? How would I go about implementing >> it? >> >> >> Best regards, >> Piotr Klibert >> >> >> > >

Jan. 24, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] Spec, Morphic, lists, multiple selection and drag&drop

by stepharo

Le 24/1/15 18:27, Piotr Klibert a Ã©crit : > Hi, > > working towards my app I encountered another problem. It's about drag > and drop support for lists in Spec and underlying Morphs. > > While multiple selection is well supported in PluggableListMorph, > reading #startDrag: and #startDragExtended: led me to believe that > there is no support for dragging a bunch of list elements at once. The drag and drop support sucks. I'm sorry about it. But this is a reality. > It > looks like drag is always initialized for the element that was clicked > (dragIndex := self rowAtLocation: evt position.) and I see no easy > extension point for changing this to support dragging all selected > items instead. > > Am I missing some methods or classes that would let me do this, or is > this indeed not possible right now? How would I go about implementing > it? > > > Best regards, > Piotr Klibert > > >

Jan. 24, 2015

Spec, Morphic, lists, multiple selection and drag&drop

by Piotr Klibert

Hi, working towards my app I encountered another problem. It's about drag and drop support for lists in Spec and underlying Morphs. While multiple selection is well supported in PluggableListMorph, reading #startDrag: and #startDragExtended: led me to believe that there is no support for dragging a bunch of list elements at once. It looks like drag is always initialized for the element that was clicked (dragIndex := self rowAtLocation: evt position.) and I see no easy extension point for changing this to support dragging all selected items instead. Am I missing some methods or classes that would let me do this, or is this indeed not possible right now? How would I go about implementing it? Best regards, Piotr Klibert

Jan. 24, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] Pillar A4 :)

by Stephan Eggermont

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Jan. 24, 2015