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Re: [Pharo-users] improving print-it in playground

by Sebastian Sastre

thanks for making easy to contribute! Expect PR anytime > On Jan 25, 2015, at 4:54 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: > > >> On 25 Jan 2015, at 18:59, Sebastian Sastre <sebastian(a)flowingconcept.com> wrote: >> >> Sure, Iâd gladly sent you a merge request to get that improved >> >> Let me know how I could take a look > > https://github.com/svenvc/zinc/tree/master/repository/Zinc-WWS-Server.packa… > > You can load this using ConfigurationOfZincHTTPComponents group 'WWS'. > > Start with the class comment of ZnWebWorkspaceDelegate > > the method you are looking for is #generatePageFor:withKey: > > Please touch only the HTML/CSS ;-) > > Thanks! > >>> On Jan 25, 2015, at 3:34 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: >>> >>> >>>> On 25 Jan 2015, at 18:24, Sebastian Sastre <sebastian(a)flowingconcept.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> - the shared snippet page has a terrible design, the contrast issue is probably the most severe, being unclean the second one >>> >>> He Seb, >>> >>> I designed that years ago over a WE - you're right, I am really good at design ;-) >>> >>> It is just one page, do you care to propose a make over in concrete html/css. If you want I can try to give you access to the code that generates it (it is not open source as yet). >>> >>> Sven >>> >>> >>> >> >> > >

Jan. 25, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] comparing FileReference

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

Hi Martin, This is a valid question, as far as I can see, FileSystem does not resolve .. itself and leaves that to the underlying OS. Maybe we should turn this into an issue ? Sven > On 24 Jan 2015, at 09:37, Martin BÃ¤hr <mbaehr(a)email.archlab.tuwien.ac.at> wrote: > > hi, > > i can't seem to figure out how to normalizethe path of a FileReference > i am trying to compare > FileSystem disk root / 'local/lib' > with > Filesystem disk workingDirectory / '..' > > but they don't match because the latter produces: > File @ '/local/lib/pharo4/..' > > i'd expect to be able to compare two references as equal if they point to the > same directory on disk, regardless of the path getting there. > > is there any way to accomplish that? > > greetings, martin. > > -- > eKita - the online platform for your entire academic life > -- > chief engineer eKita.co > pike programmer pike.lysator.liu.se caudium.net societyserver.org > secretary beijinglug.org > mentor fossasia.org > foresight developer foresightlinux.org realss.com > unix sysadmin > Martin BÃ¤hr working in china http://societyserver.org/mbaehr/ >

Jan. 25, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] improving print-it in playground

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

> On 25 Jan 2015, at 18:59, Sebastian Sastre <sebastian(a)flowingconcept.com> wrote: > > Sure, Iâd gladly sent you a merge request to get that improved > > Let me know how I could take a look https://github.com/svenvc/zinc/tree/master/repository/Zinc-WWS-Server.packa… You can load this using ConfigurationOfZincHTTPComponents group 'WWS'. Start with the class comment of ZnWebWorkspaceDelegate the method you are looking for is #generatePageFor:withKey: Please touch only the HTML/CSS ;-) Thanks! >> On Jan 25, 2015, at 3:34 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: >> >> >>> On 25 Jan 2015, at 18:24, Sebastian Sastre <sebastian(a)flowingconcept.com> wrote: >>> >>> - the shared snippet page has a terrible design, the contrast issue is probably the most severe, being unclean the second one >> >> He Seb, >> >> I designed that years ago over a WE - you're right, I am really good at design ;-) >> >> It is just one page, do you care to propose a make over in concrete html/css. If you want I can try to give you access to the code that generates it (it is not open source as yet). >> >> Sven >> >> >> > >

Jan. 25, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] when was pharo announced to the world?

by Norbert Hartl

> Am 25.01.2015 um 17:13 schrieb Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr>: > > >> On 25 Jan 2015, at 13:48, Mayuresh Kathe <mayuresh(a)kathe.in> wrote: >> >> hi sven, >> >> yes, i did look at it from a birthday perspective. >> and yes, it would be nice if stephane or marcus do suggest a date. :) > > we started sometime in 2008. I know that discussions started very early > (Jan, Feb?), e.g to find a name. > > But it was announced laterâ¦ I guess I would need to dig in the old mails > to find the exact date. > I have mails with that discussion in april. On may 1st it was phare which didn't succeed Norbert > > >

Jan. 25, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] Pharo Sound of Silence

by Evan Donahue

64-bit Arch linux 3.17.6-1-ARCH I seem to be running pulse-audio with alsa, and I believe I have all the 32-compadibility libraries installed, but my experience with linux sound is limited. What is Pharo expecting? Thanks, Evan -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Sound-of-Silence-tp4801562p4801584.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Jan. 25, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] pharo _looks_ good, but can be improved ...

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

These are pharo-dev discussions, not pharo-users discussions. This is about stuff (far) in the future, not current usage. > On 25 Jan 2015, at 18:51, Aliaksei Syrel <alex.syrel(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi, > > What will happen with Athens when Pharo moves to Spur? As I know NativeBoost doesn't work in Spur yet > > Cheers, > Alex > > On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 6:40 PM, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> On 25 Jan 2015, at 17:39, Nicolai Hess <nicolaihess(a)web.de> wrote: >> >> >> Am 25.01.2015 16:20 schrieb "Esteban Lorenzano" <estebanlm(a)gmail.com>: >> > >> > But next year we will have an Athens based UI, so the performance will improve dramatically :) >> >> Yes? What? Bloc or morphic on top of athens ? >> > both > >> And what makes you think, Athens is fast er? >> > Athens directly in the screen (using SDL2) is faster (according all my experiments) > you cannot perceive it now because a surface is mapped to a bitmap to be displayed with current bitbltâ¦ but we plan to move away from that :) > >> > Real problem is to invest time (and talent) to improve current design... It costs much more than you could believe. >> > >> > Esteban >> > >> > >> > >> > > On 25/1/2015, at 15:42, Mayuresh Kathe <mayuresh(a)kathe.in> wrote: >> > > >> > >> On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 03:35:40PM +0100, Aliaksei Syrel wrote: >> > >>> On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 3:02 PM, Mayuresh Kathe <mayuresh(a)kathe.in> wrote: >> > >>> >> > >>> http://www.google.com/design/spec/material-design/introduction.html >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> It is almost impossible to do it like this in Pharo now because of low >> > >> drawing performance and bad support of animations. Sad but true. >> > > >> > > thanks for the note. >> > > >> > > per you, how long would this low drawing performance and bad support for >> > > animations issue hold true? >> > > >> > > ~mayuresh >> > > >> > > >> > > >

Jan. 25, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] improving print-it in playground

by Sebastian Sastre

Sure, Iâd gladly sent you a merge request to get that improved Let me know how I could take a look > On Jan 25, 2015, at 3:34 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: > > >> On 25 Jan 2015, at 18:24, Sebastian Sastre <sebastian(a)flowingconcept.com> wrote: >> >> - the shared snippet page has a terrible design, the contrast issue is probably the most severe, being unclean the second one > > He Seb, > > I designed that years ago over a WE - you're right, I am really good at design ;-) > > It is just one page, do you care to propose a make over in concrete html/css. If you want I can try to give you access to the code that generates it (it is not open source as yet). > > Sven > > >

Jan. 25, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] UI framework&design options

by Sebastian Heidbrink

Hi! Is there any library or resource where I could have a look what others have done with Spec? I have a hard time to find screenshots and additional information on what was used. Sebastian On 2015-01-25 2:34 AM, Johan Fabry wrote: > Hi Sebastian, > > for building UIs I would go with Spec. It however does not support > adding widgets without decoration straight to the desktop. Whatâs > wrong with having them open in different windows? If the windows keep > references to each other they can interact (more specifically if the > different ComposableModels keep references to each other they can use > each othersâ public API â¦ which you define as their implementer). > > As for pretty graphs, I recommend Roassal2 by the ObjectProfile guys. > It however cannot embed widgets in the graph as this is not its focus. > > Greetings, > >> On Jan 25, 2015, at 04:09, Sebastian Heidbrink <sheidev(a)yahoo.de >> <mailto:sheidev@yahoo.de>> wrote: >> >> Hi! >> >> I need to visualize&manipulate data within a graph representation. >> Something like the "Maya Node Editor >> <http://around-the-corner.typepad.com/adn/2013/09/maya-node-editor-and-attri…>". >> >> I am also interested in decorationless windows&widgets. Is it >> possible to embed entry fields, lists and such in the "desktop" of >> pharo? >> >> What is suitable for overlay menus? >> >> What would be the current framework to go with Pharo? >> Which one will still stay for a while (is supported by Pharo) and is >> thought to be well tested. >> >> Thank you for any advice, link, video, picture or hint. >> >> Sebastian > > > > ---> Save our in-boxes! http://emailcharter.org <--- > > Johan Fabry - http://pleiad.cl/~jfabry <http://pleiad.cl/%7Ejfabry> > PLEIAD lab - Computer Science Department (DCC) - University of Chile >

Jan. 25, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] UI framework&design options

by Sebastian Heidbrink

Okay, .... I am new to the UI implementations and options in the Pharo world and I am really confused. So, am I right to say. - Polymorph is no more really the way to go? - Spec is the official way to go right now? - Roassal2 is the way to go for visualizations? - Athens is well, I can't even say.... hmm interesting when it comes to SVG? - Glamour has to be seen in conjunction with Moose? I had a look into GTSpotter and I have the feeling this took a long long time for implementation. - No e.g. Google material like UI possible since there are no frameworks available to do animation stuff.... didn't Squeak and E-Toys do that? Is there nothing left in Pharo? - Lumiere or Roassal3D when it come to sprites? Are all of these framework compatible to each other? How much maintenance and repair effort may I expect when I combine e.g. Spec with Morphic and Roassal2? VASmalltalk has a very strong separation of UI-View and UI-Control layers. Which Pharo framework could allow me t replace the look and feel of my application without loosing my event handling/ control layers? This is Smalltalk and this is objects, and I am bound so much to a windowing representation? There is nothing I could do like with HTML5 and css? Put some pictures in the world and just add event handlers to them? So I might go with Spec and Morphic then? Glamour is more Moose? Or is there a direction to deprecate one of them? Thanks for all you into so far. I'll carefully read all the so far provided resources. Sebastian On 2015-01-25 6:04 AM, Stephan Eggermont wrote: > That Maya Node Editor looks like a PasteUpMorph with Connectors to me. > You'd might want to wrap them (Morphic) in a in a standard window > with menu bar and toolbar from either Spec or Glamour for now. > > And then follow Bloc developments to move there. > > Stephan > >

Jan. 25, 2015

Re: [Pharo-users] pharo _looks_ good, but can be improved ...

by Aliaksei Syrel

Hi, What will happen with Athens when Pharo moves to Spur? As I know NativeBoost doesn't work in Spur yet Cheers, Alex On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 6:40 PM, Esteban Lorenzano <estebanlm(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > On 25 Jan 2015, at 17:39, Nicolai Hess <nicolaihess(a)web.de> wrote: > > > Am 25.01.2015 16:20 schrieb "Esteban Lorenzano" <estebanlm(a)gmail.com>: > > > > But next year we will have an Athens based UI, so the performance will > improve dramatically :) > > Yes? What? Bloc or morphic on top of athens ? > > both > > And what makes you think, Athens is fast er? > > Athens directly in the screen (using SDL2) is faster (according all my > experiments) > you cannot perceive it now because a surface is mapped to a bitmap to be > displayed with current bitbltâ¦ but we plan to move away from that :) > > > Real problem is to invest time (and talent) to improve current design... > It costs much more than you could believe. > > > > Esteban > > > > > > > > > On 25/1/2015, at 15:42, Mayuresh Kathe <mayuresh(a)kathe.in> wrote: > > > > > >> On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 03:35:40PM +0100, Aliaksei Syrel wrote: > > >>> On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 3:02 PM, Mayuresh Kathe <mayuresh(a)kathe.in> > wrote: > > >>> > > >>> http://www.google.com/design/spec/material-design/introduction.html > > >> > > >> > > >> It is almost impossible to do it like this in Pharo now because of low > > >> drawing performance and bad support of animations. Sad but true. > > > > > > thanks for the note. > > > > > > per you, how long would this low drawing performance and bad support > for > > > animations issue hold true? > > > > > > ~mayuresh > > > > > > > > > > >

Jan. 25, 2015