May 2021 - Pharo-users - lists.pharo.org

Re: New VM, how do I get it

by David Pennington

OK, I have V9.0 working. The performance difference is amazing on an Inspect. V8.0 - 3 seconds to respond - V9 - almost instantaneous. I have got caught up in a simple file operation - I am trying to rename a file and `I have come u with the following difference. Version 8.0 Version 9.0 So V 9 is different from V 8.0 Is there a fix for this? David > On 24 May 2021, at 12:18, Guillermo Polito <guillermopolito(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Zeroconf should download the M1 vm, buy the pharo launcher does not support that yet. > > El lun., 24 may. 2021 13:16, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr <mailto:stephane.ducasse@inria.fr>> escribiÃ³: > is your machine a M1? > If this is the case check the email that were sent on how to get the VM. > > S. > >> On 23 May 2021, at 11:54, David(a)totallyobjects.com <mailto:David@totallyobjects.com> wrote: >> >> Thank you. I t honk that I have it but how do I know if I have the M1 vm? How do I integrate it with Pharo launcher? >> >> Sent from my Huawei tablet >> >> >> -------- Original Message -------- >> Subject: [Pharo-users] Re: New VM, how do I get it >> From: StÃ©phane Ducasse >> To: Any question about pharo is welcome >> CC: >> >> >> David >> >> There is no magic. >> You should also consider that pharo-ui is a shell script and that you can also read it and learn. >> The vm is an executable and it needs an image and it cannot guess where you put it. >> >> S. >> >>> On 22 May 2021, at 18:38, David Pennington <david(a)totallyobjects.com <mailto:david@totallyobjects.com>> wrote: >>> >>> <pharo.png> >> >> -------------------------------------------- >> StÃ©phane Ducasse >> http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr <http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr/> / http://www.pharo.org <http://www.pharo.org/> >> 03 59 35 87 52 >> Assistant: Aurore Dalle >> FAX 03 59 57 78 50 >> TEL 03 59 35 86 16 >> S. Ducasse - Inria >> 40, avenue Halley, >> Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, BÃ¢t.A, Park Plaza >> Villeneuve d'Ascq 59650 >> France >> > > -------------------------------------------- > StÃ©phane Ducasse > http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr <http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr/> / http://www.pharo.org <http://www.pharo.org/> > 03 59 35 87 52 > Assistant: Aurore Dalle > FAX 03 59 57 78 50 > TEL 03 59 35 86 16 > S. Ducasse - Inria > 40, avenue Halley, > Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, BÃ¢t.A, Park Plaza > Villeneuve d'Ascq 59650 > France >

May 24, 2021

Re: New VM, how do I get it

by Guillermo Polito

Zeroconf should download the M1 vm, buy the pharo launcher does not support that yet. El lun., 24 may. 2021 13:16, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> escribiÃ³: > is your machine a M1? > If this is the case check the email that were sent on how to get the VM. > > S. > > On 23 May 2021, at 11:54, David(a)totallyobjects.com wrote: > > Thank you. I t honk that I have it but how do I know if I have the M1 vm? > How do I integrate it with Pharo launcher? > > Sent from my Huawei tablet > > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [Pharo-users] Re: New VM, how do I get it > From: StÃ©phane Ducasse > To: Any question about pharo is welcome > CC: > > > David > > There is no magic. > You should also consider that pharo-ui is a shell script and that you can > also read it and learn. > The vm is an executable and it needs an image and it cannot guess where > you put it. > > S. > > On 22 May 2021, at 18:38, David Pennington <david(a)totallyobjects.com> > wrote: > > <pharo.png> > > > -------------------------------------------- > StÃ©phane Ducasse > http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr / http://www.pharo.org > 03 59 35 87 52 > Assistant: Aurore Dalle > FAX 03 59 57 78 50 > TEL 03 59 35 86 16 > S. Ducasse - Inria > 40, avenue Halley, > Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, BÃ¢t.A, Park Plaza > Villeneuve d'Ascq 59650 > France > > > -------------------------------------------- > StÃ©phane Ducasse > http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr / http://www.pharo.org > 03 59 35 87 52 > Assistant: Aurore Dalle > FAX 03 59 57 78 50 > TEL 03 59 35 86 16 > S. Ducasse - Inria > 40, avenue Halley, > Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, BÃ¢t.A, Park Plaza > Villeneuve d'Ascq 59650 > France > >

May 24, 2021

Re: New VM, how do I get it

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

is your machine a M1? If this is the case check the email that were sent on how to get the VM. S. > On 23 May 2021, at 11:54, David(a)totallyobjects.com wrote: > > Thank you. I t honk that I have it but how do I know if I have the M1 vm? How do I integrate it with Pharo launcher? > > Sent from my Huawei tablet > > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [Pharo-users] Re: New VM, how do I get it > From: StÃ©phane Ducasse > To: Any question about pharo is welcome > CC: > > > David > > There is no magic. > You should also consider that pharo-ui is a shell script and that you can also read it and learn. > The vm is an executable and it needs an image and it cannot guess where you put it. > > S. > >> On 22 May 2021, at 18:38, David Pennington <david(a)totallyobjects.com <mailto:david@totallyobjects.com>> wrote: >> >> <pharo.png> > > -------------------------------------------- > StÃ©phane Ducasse > http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr <http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr/> / http://www.pharo.org <http://www.pharo.org/> > 03 59 35 87 52 > Assistant: Aurore Dalle > FAX 03 59 57 78 50 > TEL 03 59 35 86 16 > S. Ducasse - Inria > 40, avenue Halley, > Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, BÃ¢t.A, Park Plaza > Villeneuve d'Ascq 59650 > France > -------------------------------------------- StÃ©phane Ducasse http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr / http://www.pharo.org 03 59 35 87 52 Assistant: Aurore Dalle FAX 03 59 57 78 50 TEL 03 59 35 86 16 S. Ducasse - Inria 40, avenue Halley, Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, BÃ¢t.A, Park Plaza Villeneuve d'Ascq 59650 France

May 24, 2021

Re: New VM, how do I get it

by David＠totallyobjects.com

May 23, 2021

Re: New VM, how do I get it

by StÃ©phane Ducasse

David There is no magic. You should also consider that pharo-ui is a shell script and that you can also read it and learn. The vm is an executable and it needs an image and it cannot guess where you put it. S. > On 22 May 2021, at 18:38, David Pennington <david(a)totallyobjects.com> wrote: > > <pharo.png> -------------------------------------------- StÃ©phane Ducasse http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr / http://www.pharo.org 03 59 35 87 52 Assistant: Aurore Dalle FAX 03 59 57 78 50 TEL 03 59 35 86 16 S. Ducasse - Inria 40, avenue Halley, Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, BÃ¢t.A, Park Plaza Villeneuve d'Ascq 59650 France

May 22, 2021

Re: New VM, how do I get it

by Gabriel Cotelli

David with the script Stef showed you just downloaded the VM. If you want to download the image also you can use https://get.pharo.org/90+vmLatest . By the way, going to http://get.pharo.org/ you will get a complete list of the available options. On Sat, May 22, 2021 at 1:39 PM David Pennington <david(a)totallyobjects.com> wrote: > Here is a crop from my Terminal app. > > > As you can see it has an error. Sorry to keep bothering you but what next > please? > David > > On 21 May 2021, at 17:01, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: > > You start an image by typing the following in the Terminal > > ./pharo-ui Pharo.image > > On 21 May 2021, at 16:31, David Pennington <david(a)totallyobjects.com> > wrote: > > This is a bit like pulling teeth. > > I have done what you said. I now have the following in Terminal > > davidpennington@Davids-Air ~ % wget -O - https://get.pharo.org/vmLatest90 > | bash > --2021-05-21 15:24:47-- https://get.pharo.org/vmLatest90 > Resolving get.pharo.org (get.pharo.org) 2001:41d0:301::23, > 164.132.235.17 > Connecting to get.pharo.org (get.pharo.org)|2001:41d0:301::23|:443... > connected. > HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK > Length: 5177 (5.1K) > Saving to: âSTDOUTâ > > - 100%[===================>] 5.06K --.-KB/s in 0s > > > 2021-05-21 15:24:47 (823 MB/s) - written to stdout [5177/5177] > > Downloading the latest pharoVM: > http://files.pharo.org/get-files/90/pharo-vm-Darwin-arm64-latest.zip > pharo-vm/Pharo.app/Contents/MacOS/Pharo > Creating starter scripts pharo and pharo-ui > > Where do I go next? > > > On 21 May 2021, at 12:31, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> > wrote: > > you execute on a unix shell > > wget -O - https://get.pharo.org/vmLatest90 | bash > > S > > On 21 May 2021, at 13:16, David Pennington <david(a)totallyobjects.com> > wrote: > > I am sorry but, being a newbie to Pharo, a lot of what you say goes over > my head. > > How do I use Zero Conf? > > I have loaded up the latest 9.0 from Pharo launcher. How do I get the <1 > VM for that? > > Sorry for being stupid. > > David > P.S. 31 years a Smalltalker so its just the underlying bits that pass over > me - smile. > > On 19 May 2021, at 08:38, tesonep(a)gmail.com wrote: > > Hi David, > > for M1 we have Pharo 9 compatible VMs, you can download them using Zero > Conf or directly. > > For the latest: > - wget -O - https://get.pharo.org/vmLatest90 | bash > - http://files.pharo.org/get-files/90/pharo-vm-Darwin-arm64-latest.zip > > For the stable: > - wget -O - https://get.pharo.org/vm90 | bash > - http://files.pharo.org/get-files/90/pharo-vm-Darwin-arm64-stable.zip > > If you are scripting the download I recommend using ZeroConf. > > For Pharo 8, we don't have a M1 native version, because Pharo 8 requires > changes in the image to support the newer VMs. We have plans to backport > the changes in the future, now we are putting all efforts in the release of > Pharo 9. However, if the community consider it, we can switch priorities > but it is not magical; we will need to leave something aside. Also, future > versions of the Pharo Launcher will have support for detecting the > architecture. > > In the meantime, Pharo 8 / 9 can be used without a problem with Rossetta, > although the performance is not ideal. > > Tell me if you have any problem. > Cheers, > Pablo > > > On Tue, May 18, 2021 at 3:54 PM David Pennington <david(a)totallyobjects.com> > wrote: > Hi there. I am currently using v8.0 on a new M1 MacBookAir. When I save > the image I keep getting a message telling me that my VM is too old and to > download a new one. I have looked in my Pharo Launcher but there is no new > one there. What do I do please? > > David > > > -- > Pablo Tesone. > tesonep(a)gmail.com > > > > -------------------------------------------- > StÃ©phane Ducasse > http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr / http://www.pharo.org > 03 59 35 87 52 > Assistant: Aurore Dalle > FAX 03 59 57 78 50 > TEL 03 59 35 86 16 > S. Ducasse - Inria > 40, avenue Halley, > Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, BÃ¢t.A, Park Plaza > Villeneuve d'Ascq 59650 > France > > > >

May 22, 2021

Re: New VM, how do I get it

by David Pennington

Here is a crop from my Terminal app. As you can see it has an error. Sorry to keep bothering you but what next please? David > On 21 May 2021, at 17:01, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: > > You start an image by typing the following in the Terminal > > ./pharo-ui Pharo.image > >> On 21 May 2021, at 16:31, David Pennington <david(a)totallyobjects.com> wrote: >> >> This is a bit like pulling teeth. >> >> I have done what you said. I now have the following in Terminal >> >> davidpennington@Davids-Air ~ % wget -O - https://get.pharo.org/vmLatest90 | bash >> --2021-05-21 15:24:47-- https://get.pharo.org/vmLatest90 >> Resolving get.pharo.org (get.pharo.org) 2001:41d0:301::23, 164.132.235.17 >> Connecting to get.pharo.org (get.pharo.org)|2001:41d0:301::23|:443... connected. >> HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK >> Length: 5177 (5.1K) >> Saving to: âSTDOUTâ >> >> - 100%[===================>] 5.06K --.-KB/s in 0s >> >> 2021-05-21 15:24:47 (823 MB/s) - written to stdout [5177/5177] >> >> Downloading the latest pharoVM: >> http://files.pharo.org/get-files/90/pharo-vm-Darwin-arm64-latest.zip >> pharo-vm/Pharo.app/Contents/MacOS/Pharo >> Creating starter scripts pharo and pharo-ui >> >> Where do I go next? >> >> >>> On 21 May 2021, at 12:31, StÃ©phane Ducasse <stephane.ducasse(a)inria.fr> wrote: >>> >>> you execute on a unix shell >>> >>> wget -O - https://get.pharo.org/vmLatest90 | bash >>> >>> S >>> >>>> On 21 May 2021, at 13:16, David Pennington <david(a)totallyobjects.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> I am sorry but, being a newbie to Pharo, a lot of what you say goes over my head. >>>> >>>> How do I use Zero Conf? >>>> >>>> I have loaded up the latest 9.0 from Pharo launcher. How do I get the <1 VM for that? >>>> >>>> Sorry for being stupid. >>>> >>>> David >>>> P.S. 31 years a Smalltalker so its just the underlying bits that pass over me - smile. >>>> >>>>> On 19 May 2021, at 08:38, tesonep(a)gmail.com wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi David, >>>>> >>>>> for M1 we have Pharo 9 compatible VMs, you can download them using Zero Conf or directly. >>>>> >>>>> For the latest: >>>>> - wget -O - https://get.pharo.org/vmLatest90 | bash >>>>> - http://files.pharo.org/get-files/90/pharo-vm-Darwin-arm64-latest.zip >>>>> >>>>> For the stable: >>>>> - wget -O - https://get.pharo.org/vm90 | bash >>>>> - http://files.pharo.org/get-files/90/pharo-vm-Darwin-arm64-stable.zip >>>>> >>>>> If you are scripting the download I recommend using ZeroConf. >>>>> >>>>> For Pharo 8, we don't have a M1 native version, because Pharo 8 requires changes in the image to support the newer VMs. We have plans to backport the changes in the future, now we are putting all efforts in the release of Pharo 9. However, if the community consider it, we can switch priorities but it is not magical; we will need to leave something aside. Also, future versions of the Pharo Launcher will have support for detecting the architecture. >>>>> >>>>> In the meantime, Pharo 8 / 9 can be used without a problem with Rossetta, although the performance is not ideal. >>>>> >>>>> Tell me if you have any problem. >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Pablo >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, May 18, 2021 at 3:54 PM David Pennington <david(a)totallyobjects.com> wrote: >>>>> Hi there. I am currently using v8.0 on a new M1 MacBookAir. When I save the image I keep getting a message telling me that my VM is too old and to download a new one. I have looked in my Pharo Launcher but there is no new one there. What do I do please? >>>>> >>>>> David >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Pablo Tesone. >>>>> tesonep(a)gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> -------------------------------------------- >>> StÃ©phane Ducasse >>> http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr / http://www.pharo.org >>> 03 59 35 87 52 >>> Assistant: Aurore Dalle >>> FAX 03 59 57 78 50 >>> TEL 03 59 35 86 16 >>> S. Ducasse - Inria >>> 40, avenue Halley, >>> Parc Scientifique de la Haute Borne, BÃ¢t.A, Park Plaza >>> Villeneuve d'Ascq 59650 >>> France >>> >>

May 22, 2021

Re: Bootstrap4 package or Willow

by Sanjay Minni

OK this sounds wierd - I installed one more image only with astares/Seaside-Bootstrap4 then astares/Seaside-Bootstrap4 examples started working fine on both images. I continued to work just fine even after I removed the second image Note i am installing thru PharoLauncher, both images are in their own folder, However in settings Iceberg is pointed to a common folder in c:\iceberg (I am using windows - this is to get past the long filenames problem) Sanjay Minni wrote > Hi > > If I install both i.e. > > A. gh:astares/Seaside-Bootstrap4 ... and ... > B. gh:ba-st/willow-bootstrap > > then why is astares/Seaside-Bootstrap4 examples clobbered. how can this be > set right: > > <http://forum.world.st/file/t368721/AstaresBS4-1.jpg> > > <http://forum.world.st/file/t368721/AstaresBS4-2.jpg> > > > > ----- > cheers, > Sanjay > -- > Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html ----- cheers, Sanjay -- Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html

May 22, 2021

Re: Bootstrap4 package or Willow

by Sanjay Minni

Hi If I install both i.e. A. gh:astares/Seaside-Bootstrap4 ... and ... B. gh:ba-st/willow-bootstrap then why is astares/Seaside-Bootstrap4 examples clobbered. how can this be set right: <http://forum.world.st/file/t368721/AstaresBS4-1.jpg> <http://forum.world.st/file/t368721/AstaresBS4-2.jpg> ----- cheers, Sanjay -- Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Users-f1310670.html

May 22, 2021

Re: We haven't had a design debate in a while - thoughts on CD.buy article...

by Christopher Fuhrman

Hello all - I am reviving this thread with some OO Design archaeology I stumbled upon while revising my course notes. In 1995 Peter Coad proposed a "Do it myself" pattern for assigning responsibilities that says: > > "I do those things that are normally done to the actual object that I'm an > abstraction of." > Anyway, this heuristic could explain cd.buy() Here's the reference (but it's out of print...): Coad, P. (1997). Object Models : Strategies, Patterns, and Applications (2nd Revised ed. edition). Upper Saddle River, N.J : Pearson Technology Group.

May 22, 2021