January 2017 - Pharo-users - lists.pharo.org

Re: [Pharo-users] Slashdot Submission

by Offray Vladimir Luna CÃ¡rdenas

Page views are a pretty bad metric about quality of conversation. I remember the XKCD comic about "someone is wrong on the Internet"[1] and I wonder if the energy should be put there, at all. [1] https://www.xkcd.com/386/ In my case, some of my fellow programmers friends started with some friendly "bullying" about my choice of Smalltalk/Pharo, well also for my choice of fossil or anything not trendy or popular, and some of them joke about me being some kind of "cyberhypster" :-P. That was at the beginning, and instead of trying to convince them otherwise by talking I prefer to build and demo my Grafoscopio project in our hackerspace but with other people (journalist, students, philosophers, teachers) with the idea of data storytelling instead of programming. Now my fellow programmers friends show more interest (but I'm still a cyberhypster :-)). Unfortunately, programmers culture is a pop/fashionist culture (with few exceptions), pressed by "market" and "delivering". And I don't say that you can not deliver of have a market with Smalltalk/Pharo, but going outside common culture requires a change in mindset that is not moved easily in Internet forums or popular articles. The reflexive thought & long talk format (ie blogs, medium) coupled with projects can provide a better place to invest energy. Thanks for your efforts and I hope than that exploration provide you the leverage point where minimal force produce maximal change. Cheers, Offray Ps: I didn't find a lot of comments in the original article on TechBeacon or Slashdot. Maybe I'm clicking the wrong link, but anyway, hope this helps. On 01/01/17 11:37, Richard Eng wrote: > I tried that tack. I said Pharo is only 8 years old, but some people > come back and tell me that Pharo is still essentially Smalltalk. It's > hard for me to disagree. > > Richard > > On 1 January 2017 at 11:27, stepharong <stepharong(a)free.fr > <mailto:stepharong@free.fr>> wrote: > > Since people believe that new equals better, we market Pharo as new. > And Pharo is new and it will continue to improve so this is not > even a lie :) > > There is a reason why we decided to go that road and avoid to > always say to people that we use a language > designed nearly 40 years ago. > > But you can try :) > > Stef > > > > On Sun, 01 Jan 2017 14:05:12 +0100, horrido > <horrido.hobbies(a)gmail.com <mailto:horrido.hobbies@gmail.com>> wrote: > > Wow! *In just one day*, the Slashdot story added another > thousand pageviews > to my TechBeacon article! > > However, if you look at the comments, there's an awful lot of > disdain for > Smalltalk. It appears that Slashdot is inhabited by a lot of > ignorant and > opinionated programmers. I did not realize this. > > I'm trying to respond to the negative comments, but it's getting > overwhelming... > > > > -- > View this message in context: > http://forum.world.st/Slashdot-Submission-tp4928235p4928493.html > <http://forum.world.st/Slashdot-Submission-tp4928235p4928493.html> > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at > Nabble.com. > > > > -- > Using Opera's mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ > >

Jan. 1, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] What can we look forward to in 2017?

by Offray Vladimir Luna CÃ¡rdenas

May be some kind of "short interview format" is better. Most of the project pages tell what the project do, and showcase it, but having a personal author's view on why this project and the technology behind (Pharo/Smalltalk) is important would be a valuable addition and add the human story side to the campaign. Cheers, Offray On 14/12/16 18:31, horrido wrote: > You've inspired me to consider a new subproject. It's tentatively called > "Smalltalk Showcase" (although I'll try to come up with a better name) and > it will present a series of stories about Pharo/Smalltalk developments that > demonstrate the incredible versatility and usefulness of Smalltalk. (It > doesn't have to be Pharo, but I'll be pleasantly surprised if there are cool > developments in Squeak, Cincom, Dolphin, GNU, etc.) > > Here's an open call to Pharoers (and Smalltalkers) everywhere: Submit a > favourite project, including a URL to a website or repository that shows the > project in the best light, as well as an "abstract" that nicely summarizes > what the project is trying to accomplish. I'll select the ones that are most > interesting and do work-ups on them. If necessary, I'll query for more > details in an email reply. Send all submissions to: richard.eng(a)outlook.com > > Most appreciated. > > By the way, the first story will be on Grafoscopio. > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/What-can-we-look-forward-to-in-2017-tp4926791p4926986… > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > >

Jan. 1, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Slashdot Submission

by Richard Eng

I tried that tack. I said Pharo is only 8 years old, but some people come back and tell me that Pharo is still essentially Smalltalk. It's hard for me to disagree. Richard On 1 January 2017 at 11:27, stepharong <stepharong(a)free.fr> wrote: > Since people believe that new equals better, we market Pharo as new. > And Pharo is new and it will continue to improve so this is not even a lie > :) > > There is a reason why we decided to go that road and avoid to always say > to people that we use a language > designed nearly 40 years ago. > > But you can try :) > > Stef > > > > On Sun, 01 Jan 2017 14:05:12 +0100, horrido <horrido.hobbies(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > > Wow! *In just one day*, the Slashdot story added another thousand pageviews >> to my TechBeacon article! >> >> However, if you look at the comments, there's an awful lot of disdain for >> Smalltalk. It appears that Slashdot is inhabited by a lot of ignorant and >> opinionated programmers. I did not realize this. >> >> I'm trying to respond to the negative comments, but it's getting >> overwhelming... >> >> >> >> -- >> View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Slashdot >> -Submission-tp4928235p4928493.html >> Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> >> > > -- > Using Opera's mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ >

Jan. 1, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Thank you and a Happy Pharo Year 2017

by stepharong

Thanks volkert for these kind thoughts. > Dear Pharo Community, > > i would like to thank you for all the work and effort to push Pharo > forward. > Pharo is getting better and nicer from day to day. It is hard work and > the hard > work will hopefully never end, because then Pharo is a success ... > > I am using Pharo since 2012, mainly for prototyping my ideas with > Roassal, NeoCSV, NeoJSON and Zn in the domain of knowledge management > and enterprise architecture. > > I am not a power or full-time user nor i am a Pharo expert (so i think, > i represent some of the Pharo Users today). But for my ideas and > projects Pharo is the right tool. It is a light-weight, easy to start, > easy to learn language and a cool environment. The Pharo Books are > really nice. The nicest thing is, that my ideas can easily grow into a > simple & nice workbench for interactive data > analytics ... but i have more plans with Pharo (Pharo on the server > side). Let us know how we can help you.

Jan. 1, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Slashdot Submission

by stepharong

Since people believe that new equals better, we market Pharo as new. And Pharo is new and it will continue to improve so this is not even a lie :) There is a reason why we decided to go that road and avoid to always say to people that we use a language designed nearly 40 years ago. But you can try :) Stef On Sun, 01 Jan 2017 14:05:12 +0100, horrido <horrido.hobbies(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Wow! *In just one day*, the Slashdot story added another thousand > pageviews > to my TechBeacon article! > > However, if you look at the comments, there's an awful lot of disdain for > Smalltalk. It appears that Slashdot is inhabited by a lot of ignorant and > opinionated programmers. I did not realize this. > > I'm trying to respond to the negative comments, but it's getting > overwhelming... > > > > -- > View this message in context: > http://forum.world.st/Slashdot-Submission-tp4928235p4928493.html > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > -- Using Opera's mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/

Jan. 1, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Slashdot Submission

by Dimitris Chloupis

If stupidity was a power the comment section went nuclear. I lasted a minute reading the comment section , no idea what kind of radio active protection suit you are wearing to allow you the time to reply. But I admire your patience. On Sun, 1 Jan 2017 at 15:22, horrido <horrido.hobbies(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Wow! *In just one day*, the Slashdot story added another thousand pageviews > to my TechBeacon article! > > However, if you look at the comments, there's an awful lot of disdain for > Smalltalk. It appears that Slashdot is inhabited by a lot of ignorant and > opinionated programmers. I did not realize this. > > I'm trying to respond to the negative comments, but it's getting > overwhelming... > > > > -- > View this message in context: > http://forum.world.st/Slashdot-Submission-tp4928235p4928493.html > Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > >

Jan. 1, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Slashdot Submission

by horrido

Wow! *In just one day*, the Slashdot story added another thousand pageviews to my TechBeacon article! However, if you look at the comments, there's an awful lot of disdain for Smalltalk. It appears that Slashdot is inhabited by a lot of ignorant and opinionated programmers. I did not realize this. I'm trying to respond to the negative comments, but it's getting overwhelming... -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Slashdot-Submission-tp4928235p4928493.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Jan. 1, 2017

PharoJS: How to Talk to Server

by Sean P. DeNigris

I downloaded the preloaded Pharo 4.0 image and PhoneGap and got the tests passing. The first question that popped up was: once you haveyour super cool client side app working, how do you communicate back and forth to the server? ----- Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/PharoJS-How-to-Talk-to-Server-tp4928488.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Jan. 1, 2017