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Re: [Pharo-users] Google visibility?

by Esteban Lorenzano

unless we pay. they basically kidnap our messages and demand a ransom for them (and is expensive)â¦ and the model seems to work, everybody prefers using that than a searchable tool :( I would prefer to use an open tool, but wellâ¦ slack gives us a lot of features and life is like this :( Esteban > On 13 Jan 2017, at 09:04, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: > > so it is not publicly available/visible/indexable ? > so everything written there basically disappears ? > >> On 13 Jan 2017, at 09:01, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Slack encrypts the message history and it only stores 10.000 messages >> >> You could use the Slack search feature >> >> https://get.slack.help/hc/en-us/articles/202528808-Search-for-messages-and-… >> >> On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 at 08:40, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: >> and slack is closed, right ? >> >> >> >>> On 13 Jan 2017, at 01:36, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> Google already is capable on focusing on Pharo related websites. >> >>> >> >>> The core of our documentation is located on 3 websites >> >>> >> >>> World.st , this sites includes a forum website for all the Smalltalk related mailing lists >> >>> Stackoverflow, Pharo has its own tag and a ton of answered questions >> >>> Github.com, here are located all the Pharo books >> >>> >> >>> So to search all documentation about Spec on only these 3 websites you use the following search query >> >>> >> >>> pharo spec site:world.st OR site:stackoverflow.com OR site:github.com >> >>> >> >>> There are other ways to customize a google search query , please look at google search documentation >> >>> On Thu, 12 Jan 2017 at 11:38, Siemen Baader <siemenbaader(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Has anybody looked into SEO'ing any of the great documentation and archived questions on the mailing list? >> >>> >> >>> It strikes me that I often can't find the answer to questions I have on Google, but they are often answered in material that I can find when I look manually for some time or am pointed at it by an experienced member of the community. >> >>> >> >>> I also miss Pharo - content on Stackoverflow, it is a very efficient way to get past road blocks quickly. >> >>> >> >>> Any thoughts or history to bring me up to speed with? >> >>> >> >>> cheers, >> >>> Siemen >> >> >> >> >> > >

Jan. 13, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Google visibility?

by Dimitris Chloupis

Neither is IRC but that has not stopped irc users from creating bots that keep track of a irc channel's message history in logs that are automatically uploaded to websites searchable by google. Unlike Slack , IRC is even worse not even it does not store the last 10k messages , it does not even store ANY message , yet it's by very far the most popular chat client for open source projects Proving that even the worse idea can be turned to the best idea very easily On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 at 10:18, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: > so it is not a good idea for an open source project, as I feared. > > > On 13 Jan 2017, at 09:15, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > It eventually disappears , it keep the last 10.000 messages > > > > No it's not publicly visible quite the contrary , Slack prioritize > privacy because it's meant to be used by teams working on commercial > projects which are the ones more likely to pay for a slack subscription. > > > > If you want to search as a teams's history you need to gain access as a > guest or a member , in both cases you will need an invite. So it makes > little sense for Slack to give Google Acess to its teams history. > > > > If you as a team want to have unlimited messages then you will need to > pay for the Slack subscription. > > > > Of course none can stop us from creating a bot that will copy the > messages to an HTML website , that Google can search, hence lifting the 10k > limit as well. Or even better commit those messages to a github repo that > can be loaded as a project inside a Pharo image > > On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 at 10:05, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> > wrote: > > so it is not publicly available/visible/indexable ? > > > > so everything written there basically disappears ? > > > > > > > > > On 13 Jan 2017, at 09:01, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Slack encrypts the message history and it only stores 10.000 messages > > > > > > > > > > You could use the Slack search feature > > > > > > > > > > > https://get.slack.help/hc/en-us/articles/202528808-Search-for-messages-and-… > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 at 08:40, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> > wrote: > > > > > and slack is closed, right ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 13 Jan 2017, at 01:36, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Google already is capable on focusing on Pharo related websites. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The core of our documentation is located on 3 websites > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > World.st , this sites includes a forum website for all the Smalltalk > related mailing lists > > > > > > > > > > > Stackoverflow, Pharo has its own tag and a ton of answered questions > > > > > > > > > > > Github.com, here are located all the Pharo books > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So to search all documentation about Spec on only these 3 websites > you use the following search query > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pharo spec site:world.st OR site:stackoverflow.com OR site: > github.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are other ways to customize a google search query , please > look at google search documentation > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 12 Jan 2017 at 11:38, Siemen Baader <siemenbaader(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Has anybody looked into SEO'ing any of the great documentation and > archived questions on the mailing list? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It strikes me that I often can't find the answer to questions I have > on Google, but they are often answered in material that I can find when I > look manually for some time or am pointed at it by an experienced member of > the community. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also miss Pharo - content on Stackoverflow, it is a very > efficient way to get past road blocks quickly. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any thoughts or history to bring me up to speed with? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cheers, > > > > > > > > > > > Siemen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Jan. 13, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Google visibility?

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

so it is not a good idea for an open source project, as I feared. > On 13 Jan 2017, at 09:15, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > It eventually disappears , it keep the last 10.000 messages > > No it's not publicly visible quite the contrary , Slack prioritize privacy because it's meant to be used by teams working on commercial projects which are the ones more likely to pay for a slack subscription. > > If you want to search as a teams's history you need to gain access as a guest or a member , in both cases you will need an invite. So it makes little sense for Slack to give Google Acess to its teams history. > > If you as a team want to have unlimited messages then you will need to pay for the Slack subscription. > > Of course none can stop us from creating a bot that will copy the messages to an HTML website , that Google can search, hence lifting the 10k limit as well. Or even better commit those messages to a github repo that can be loaded as a project inside a Pharo image > On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 at 10:05, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: > so it is not publicly available/visible/indexable ? > > so everything written there basically disappears ? > > > > > On 13 Jan 2017, at 09:01, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > Slack encrypts the message history and it only stores 10.000 messages > > > > > > You could use the Slack search feature > > > > > > https://get.slack.help/hc/en-us/articles/202528808-Search-for-messages-and-… > > > > > > On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 at 08:40, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: > > > and slack is closed, right ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 13 Jan 2017, at 01:36, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Google already is capable on focusing on Pharo related websites. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The core of our documentation is located on 3 websites > > > > > > > > > > > > > > World.st , this sites includes a forum website for all the Smalltalk related mailing lists > > > > > > > Stackoverflow, Pharo has its own tag and a ton of answered questions > > > > > > > Github.com, here are located all the Pharo books > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So to search all documentation about Spec on only these 3 websites you use the following search query > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pharo spec site:world.st OR site:stackoverflow.com OR site:github.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are other ways to customize a google search query , please look at google search documentation > > > > > > > On Thu, 12 Jan 2017 at 11:38, Siemen Baader <siemenbaader(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > Has anybody looked into SEO'ing any of the great documentation and archived questions on the mailing list? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It strikes me that I often can't find the answer to questions I have on Google, but they are often answered in material that I can find when I look manually for some time or am pointed at it by an experienced member of the community. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also miss Pharo - content on Stackoverflow, it is a very efficient way to get past road blocks quickly. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any thoughts or history to bring me up to speed with? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cheers, > > > > > > > Siemen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Jan. 13, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Google visibility?

by Dimitris Chloupis

It eventually disappears , it keep the last 10.000 messages No it's not publicly visible quite the contrary , Slack prioritize privacy because it's meant to be used by teams working on commercial projects which are the ones more likely to pay for a slack subscription. If you want to search as a teams's history you need to gain access as a guest or a member , in both cases you will need an invite. So it makes little sense for Slack to give Google Acess to its teams history. If you as a team want to have unlimited messages then you will need to pay for the Slack subscription. Of course none can stop us from creating a bot that will copy the messages to an HTML website , that Google can search, hence lifting the 10k limit as well. Or even better commit those messages to a github repo that can be loaded as a project inside a Pharo image On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 at 10:05, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: > so it is not publicly available/visible/indexable ? > > so everything written there basically disappears ? > > > > > On 13 Jan 2017, at 09:01, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > > Slack encrypts the message history and it only stores 10.000 messages > > > > > > You could use the Slack search feature > > > > > > > https://get.slack.help/hc/en-us/articles/202528808-Search-for-messages-and-… > > > > > > On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 at 08:40, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> > wrote: > > > and slack is closed, right ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 13 Jan 2017, at 01:36, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Google already is capable on focusing on Pharo related websites. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The core of our documentation is located on 3 websites > > > > > > > > > > > > > > World.st , this sites includes a forum website for all the Smalltalk > related mailing lists > > > > > > > Stackoverflow, Pharo has its own tag and a ton of answered questions > > > > > > > Github.com, here are located all the Pharo books > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So to search all documentation about Spec on only these 3 websites you > use the following search query > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pharo spec site:world.st OR site:stackoverflow.com OR site:github.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are other ways to customize a google search query , please look > at google search documentation > > > > > > > On Thu, 12 Jan 2017 at 11:38, Siemen Baader <siemenbaader(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > > > Has anybody looked into SEO'ing any of the great documentation and > archived questions on the mailing list? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It strikes me that I often can't find the answer to questions I have > on Google, but they are often answered in material that I can find when I > look manually for some time or am pointed at it by an experienced member of > the community. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I also miss Pharo - content on Stackoverflow, it is a very efficient > way to get past road blocks quickly. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any thoughts or history to bring me up to speed with? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cheers, > > > > > > > Siemen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Jan. 13, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Google visibility?

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

so it is not publicly available/visible/indexable ? so everything written there basically disappears ? > On 13 Jan 2017, at 09:01, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Slack encrypts the message history and it only stores 10.000 messages > > You could use the Slack search feature > > https://get.slack.help/hc/en-us/articles/202528808-Search-for-messages-and-… > > On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 at 08:40, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: > and slack is closed, right ? > > > > > On 13 Jan 2017, at 01:36, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > Google already is capable on focusing on Pharo related websites. > > > > > > The core of our documentation is located on 3 websites > > > > > > World.st , this sites includes a forum website for all the Smalltalk related mailing lists > > > Stackoverflow, Pharo has its own tag and a ton of answered questions > > > Github.com, here are located all the Pharo books > > > > > > So to search all documentation about Spec on only these 3 websites you use the following search query > > > > > > pharo spec site:world.st OR site:stackoverflow.com OR site:github.com > > > > > > There are other ways to customize a google search query , please look at google search documentation > > > On Thu, 12 Jan 2017 at 11:38, Siemen Baader <siemenbaader(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > Has anybody looked into SEO'ing any of the great documentation and archived questions on the mailing list? > > > > > > It strikes me that I often can't find the answer to questions I have on Google, but they are often answered in material that I can find when I look manually for some time or am pointed at it by an experienced member of the community. > > > > > > I also miss Pharo - content on Stackoverflow, it is a very efficient way to get past road blocks quickly. > > > > > > Any thoughts or history to bring me up to speed with? > > > > > > cheers, > > > Siemen > > > > >

Jan. 13, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Google visibility?

by Dimitris Chloupis

Slack encrypts the message history and it only stores 10.000 messages You could use the Slack search feature https://get.slack.help/hc/en-us/articles/202528808-Search-for-messages-and-… On Fri, 13 Jan 2017 at 08:40, Sven Van Caekenberghe <sven(a)stfx.eu> wrote: > and slack is closed, right ? > > > > > On 13 Jan 2017, at 01:36, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > > Google already is capable on focusing on Pharo related websites. > > > > > > The core of our documentation is located on 3 websites > > > > > > World.st , this sites includes a forum website for all the Smalltalk > related mailing lists > > > Stackoverflow, Pharo has its own tag and a ton of answered questions > > > Github.com, here are located all the Pharo books > > > > > > So to search all documentation about Spec on only these 3 websites you > use the following search query > > > > > > pharo spec site:world.st OR site:stackoverflow.com OR site:github.com > > > > > > There are other ways to customize a google search query , please look at > google search documentation > > > On Thu, 12 Jan 2017 at 11:38, Siemen Baader <siemenbaader(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Has anybody looked into SEO'ing any of the great documentation and > archived questions on the mailing list? > > > > > > It strikes me that I often can't find the answer to questions I have on > Google, but they are often answered in material that I can find when I look > manually for some time or am pointed at it by an experienced member of the > community. > > > > > > I also miss Pharo - content on Stackoverflow, it is a very efficient > way to get past road blocks quickly. > > > > > > Any thoughts or history to bring me up to speed with? > > > > > > cheers, > > > Siemen > > > > > >

Jan. 13, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Google visibility?

by Sven Van Caekenberghe

and slack is closed, right ? > On 13 Jan 2017, at 01:36, Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.alios(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Google already is capable on focusing on Pharo related websites. > > The core of our documentation is located on 3 websites > > World.st , this sites includes a forum website for all the Smalltalk related mailing lists > Stackoverflow, Pharo has its own tag and a ton of answered questions > Github.com, here are located all the Pharo books > > So to search all documentation about Spec on only these 3 websites you use the following search query > > pharo spec site:world.st OR site:stackoverflow.com OR site:github.com > > There are other ways to customize a google search query , please look at google search documentation > On Thu, 12 Jan 2017 at 11:38, Siemen Baader <siemenbaader(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Has anybody looked into SEO'ing any of the great documentation and archived questions on the mailing list? > > It strikes me that I often can't find the answer to questions I have on Google, but they are often answered in material that I can find when I look manually for some time or am pointed at it by an experienced member of the community. > > I also miss Pharo - content on Stackoverflow, it is a very efficient way to get past road blocks quickly. > > Any thoughts or history to bring me up to speed with? > > cheers, > Siemen

Jan. 13, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] Google visibility?

by Dimitris Chloupis

Google already is capable on focusing on Pharo related websites. The core of our documentation is located on 3 websites World.st , this sites includes a forum website for all the Smalltalk related mailing lists Stackoverflow, Pharo has its own tag and a ton of answered questions Github.com, here are located all the Pharo books So to search all documentation about Spec on only these 3 websites you use the following search query pharo spec site:world.st OR site:stackoverflow.com OR site:github.com There are other ways to customize a google search query , please look at google search documentation On Thu, 12 Jan 2017 at 11:38, Siemen Baader <siemenbaader(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Has anybody looked into SEO'ing any of the great documentation and > archived questions on the mailing list? > > It strikes me that I often can't find the answer to questions I have on > Google, but they are often answered in material that I can find when I look > manually for some time or am pointed at it by an experienced member of the > community. > > I also miss Pharo - content on Stackoverflow, it is a very efficient way > to get past road blocks quickly. > > Any thoughts or history to bring me up to speed with? > > cheers, > Siemen >

Jan. 13, 2017

Google visibility?

by Siemen Baader

Has anybody looked into SEO'ing any of the great documentation and archived questions on the mailing list? It strikes me that I often can't find the answer to questions I have on Google, but they are often answered in material that I can find when I look manually for some time or am pointed at it by an experienced member of the community. I also miss Pharo - content on Stackoverflow, it is a very efficient way to get past road blocks quickly. Any thoughts or history to bring me up to speed with? cheers, Siemen

Jan. 12, 2017

Re: [Pharo-users] making scroll smooth

by Siemen Baader

Thanks - I did it and it seems (also from the docs) to affect the framerate, not the discrete scroll-behaviour. Nautilus panels scroll by ca. one line height, I want them to scroll continously, by one pixel only at a time.. -- Siemen On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 6:16 PM, phil(a)highoctane.be <phil(a)highoctane.be> wrote: > Try this: > > WorldState MinCycleLapse: 16. > > Should make things better. > > Phil > > On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 5:40 PM, Siemen Baader <siemenbaader(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Hi All, >> >> I'm used to and like the smooth scrolling of modern browsers and OS'es >> and miss it in Pharo. It as discrete scroll deltas; when I scroll it moves >> the window content by several pixels or not at all if the movement is below >> a certain threshold. How can I enable smooth scroll / set that threshold to >> 1px? And how could I learn if I did not ask on the list? >> >> thanks, >> Siemen >> > >

Jan. 11, 2017